[TANGO-L] The "brutes" are not the "open embrace-close embrace people". It is the "close embrace all the time people".The reverse.

[Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>]

Dear Igor:

> As one Russian "brute" to another...
>
> Actually, I do become a "brute" from time to time
> and dance leaning on my partner and shoving her
around
> in the "close embrace all the time" manner, because
> sometimes my "close embrace all the time" follower
> cannot follow my body without a shove.  It is fun to
> do sometimes ....lol.  My problem is that it gets to
> be boring, because for me it limits the dance.
>
> Overall, I much prefer dancing with a partner who is
> my equal, a partner that is always balanced on their
> own weight and can easily move from close embrace to
> open embrace in one fluid motion.  This way, body
> contact, and shoving, is not necessary for the
> follower to follow.  It is also less
> 'brutish"...lol.
>
> I agree with what Gabriel said in a recent E-mail to
> this list:
>
> "Furthermore, the difference between Salon and the
> so called "milonguero" (Apilado) is not the distance
> but rather the angle of the embrace, the shoulder of
the leader
> over which the follower is looking and the reliance
> on one's own axes, as opposed to leaning on each
other.
>
> We can dance very much in close embrace and it is
> still Salon and we need not learn another "style".
> Teaching otherwise leads to confussion, irritation ,
> unnecessary arguements and quiting, thereby Tango
> communities shrinking. Not a good idea.
>
> Gabriel"
>
> Anyway, thank you for the comments.  Have a great
> day.
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
>
> --- Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> > Dear Sean:
> >
> > Hola!
> >
> > The problem here, is that we are again dealing
> with
> > an
> > "out right lie and fabrication" from Susan Miller
> > and
> > her "brutish" and  "controling" little group of
> > so-called "close embrace all the time" dancers.
> If
> > you do not believe me, just click on the link
> below
> > to
> > see a picture of Susana Miller dancing. As you
> will
> > see in the picture, she is absolutely leaning on
> her
> > dance partner.  She is not balanced on her own
> > weight
> > as you and her claim.  The so called illusion is
> BS.
> > If the man in this picture stepped away from her,
> > she
> > would fall flat on her face.
> >
> >
>
http://www.rawsonweb.com/tango/Design/Assets/Images/wtsusanamiller.gif
> >
> > The fact is that "close embrace all the time"
> > follower
> > has to be pushed around physically by direct
> contact
> > with the leader's body to take a step, and that to
> > me
> > is far more "brutish" than a leader in an an open
> > embrace simply moving his body to indicate where
> the
> > follower might want to go.
> >
> > The fundamental problem with "close embrace all
> the
> > time" followers is that they most of them do not
> > know
> > how to follow a leader unless they are pushed
> > around.
> > They are not shown by the "close embrace all the
> > time"
> > teachers how to follow a leader without body
> > contact.
> >
> > The "brutes" are not the open embrace people. It
> is
> > the reverse.
> >
> > PS-  Please read my E-mail to Trini below
> again....
> >
> > Derik
> > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> >
> > --- Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:02:08 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Re: [TANGO-L] Close Embrace All the
> > > Time People
> > > To: patangos@YAHOO.COM, TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> > > CC: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> > >
> > > Dear Trini, I understand what you are saying and
> I
> > > agree with you 100 percent. In Argentine Tango
> one
> > > tries to adapt and comunicate... be the best one
> > can
> > > be for a partner, not try to control him or her.
> > > Derik


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