Re: [TANGO-L] What Is a Milonga?

[Floyd Baker <febaker @OLM1.COM>]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:47:01 -0400, you wrote:

>>From: Floyd Baker <febaker  @OLM1.COM>
>
>>Steven has first and foremost, his own site to consider. ...., including AT
>>into ballroom and other >dance venues, does not the venue a Milonga make...
>>    Or words to that effect...  ;->
>
>True dat.... The problem of "fairness" when one becomes a "tango information
>clearing house"...

But how and why people came to consider it as such is what 'Steven'
has put into the site.  He should not start changing his thinking now.

>>Nor the same knowledge and/or ability to produce it...?   Not usually
>>anyone's *fault*, and so should not necessarily be disdained.  Help
>>them to be better, iow.
>>Every city seems to have it's own particular level of tango ability,
>>quality, and style.   We must respect all of them.  Those who went
>>through the 'same' cruder learning stages over the years, need to help
>>those who are just beginning.   Do not become elite or believe
>>yourselves better.  One may have more experience  but you need to use
>>your experience to help the 2 guys and 3 women when you arrive at
>>their Milonga.   It is a 'social' event after all...
>
>Oh, it's not about being elitist or depreciating people's efforts. It's
>about expectations and one's desire to find what one wants.... Also,
>although I agree with your idea of helping people get better, etc., this can
>be a real bucket of worms.... I personally cannot presume that I'm some kind
>of tango guru who will lead the unenlightened to tango bliss ;-).  Also, I've
>often found that the "unenlightened" have already very strong ideas about
>tango. They might already believe themselves to be quite the expert dancers
>and also they might well prefer their choice of music over any "genuine,
>golden era tangos" that I might prefer, even if it was a play list blessed
>by the best DJs in the world.... 

>Lets face it, everybody has his or her own
>idea about what constitutes a good milonga and most of us would not
>appreciate one bit the meddling of some self nominated tango expert who pops

>into town one night and presumes to teach us what we should like, how we
>should dance, etc.

I didn't mean that anyone should presume to do that...  Obviously it
would go over like a gancho to the shin.   But people need to be happy
being where they find themselves, even if it is not their ideal.  They
will find very few ideals.    As you say, 'every place is different'.

Mixing with other ways and means is beneficial to all in smaller ways.
Not to mention that one can simply decide not to go back.    Just
never disdain a new experience.   They're good even if you learn
they're 'personally' bad.  ;-/   Then too, it will be the *remembered*
things that make your life longer when you look back on it.  :-)

All of that is to say no opinions (caveats) should be included in the
listings.  They too can be wrong and/or misleading.  What is found may
be ideal for one and distasteful to another..., or in fact, the other
way round.  <g>

>No Floyd, I don't want to go and interfere or bother people in their own
>place. Been there, done that and learned my lesson. For myself, all I want
>is to know ahead of time what sort of thing I might expect when I go to an
>advertised tango event. Heck, I've gone to some pretty small, new to tango
>communities and enjoyed myself in their dances.... 

>Still, if I go to a big city, I'd expect to find milongas somewhat more to my 
>taste. I'd like to have enough info to find them

Then Steven best not list the ballroom mix as a Milonga...?      

"Some AT music and dance may be included", as was suggested by
another, could be mentioned under a ballroom heading.  

If there was one.

>Best,

Ditto.   

>Manuel

Floyd



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