Re: [TANGO-L] narrow-minded religiosity?

[Richard deSousa <Mallpasso @AOL.COM>]

Well said, Tine... Derik's been that way the moment he signed on this list.


In a message dated 7/10/2005 10:38:23 Pacific Daylight Time,
yaletangoclub  @YAHOO.COM writes:
Derik,
No kidding, you accuse Susana of lacking social skills
and being umm, RUDE, and MEAN in PUBLIC to nice people
who have a different opinion from hers?
What do you think you do, every day, on this list? You
do all that and more, you are mean even to people who
defend the RIGHT of people to have a different
opinion.
Tine

--- Derik Rawson <rawsonweb  @YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> Dear Clint:
>
> Exactly.  I agree with ever thing that you are
> saying
> here...
>
> My personal direct experience with Susana Miller was
> exactly the same as yours, when I took her class
> here
> in Houston.  I am the one who first introduced her
> here to Houston.  No one here had ever heard of her
> before that to my knowledge, although now, I am sure
> that they will claim otherwise.  Janell came down
> here
> from the Washington D.C. tango group to dance with
> me
> at a milonga here in Houston, and Susana Miller had
> just taught Janell a class the same week in D.C., so
> Janell told me about Susana Miller and I told the
> people here to contact her, which they did.  When I
> took my first class with Susana Miller, I thought
> that
> she was cool, and that out of her disorganized way
> of
> teaching, something interesting would finally
> appear.
> Unfortunately, as time went on, she became more and
> more disorganized.  I finally wrote her off
> completely
> when I saw her be rude to a local tango teacher here
> in Houston who was not teaching her style.  She
> embarrassed him in public, on purpose, in front of
> his
> students.  He is a very nice Argentine man, and he
> did
> not deserve this kind of treatment.  When I saw
> that,
> I knew that the woman was a problem, and lacked the
> social skills needed for me to really enjoy dancing
> tango.  As time went on, I also saw the local group
> here, which now "preaches" her style, become more
> and
> more anti-social and dogmatic, so I just let them go
> off and do their thing.  Now, I am enjoying just
> dancing tango as a social experience, and life is
> good.  People do forget that tango is more a social
> experience than a dance.  If dancers lack social
> skills, the joy is gone.  I have only one rule in
> tango, and that rule is, "If they are not fun, do
> not
> dance with them."  It has worked so far.  My
> personal
> direct experience, and my opinion.  Thanks.
>
> Derik
> d.rawson  @rawsonweb.com
>
>
> --- Clint Rauscher <clint  @AXIALPARTNERS.COM> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your defense Manuel.
> >
> > I may have come off a bit strong in my posting,
> but
> > it was just an opinion.
> > I realize that many many people enjoy Miller's
> > classes and proclaim to get a
> > lot out of them. Maybe I caught her on an off day,
> > but I do feel that a
> > teacher with as much experience as she has should
> > know how to organize a
> > class for everyone to get something out of it.
> >
> > I think the main point I would like to make is
> this:
> > If social dancing is
> > your primary goal, which it is in my case. Take
> > classes with many teachers.
> > Take classes with teachers of many styles. Master
> > all of them. Then remove
> > what you don't like. Don't dismiss something just
> > because a teacher of one
> > style turns their nose up at it. Filter everything
> > teachers tell you through
> > your own sense of what is "right and wrong for
> you".
> >
> > The problem is that many people that dance
> > Milonguero, don't seem to think
> > of it as A style but rather THE style. Miller
> > clearly propogates this and
> > students believe her.
> >
> > I just want to be clear... I don't dislike
> Miller...
> > or think that she is a
> > bad teacher... I just don't like her ideas and
> > attitudes.. I don't think
> > that they are positive for Tango. It is nothing
> > personal.
> >
> > You have to understand that the vast majority of
> > students do not read
> > Tango-L, nor are they able to afford to go to BA.
> So
> > they may spend years
> > paying for Milonguero lessons thinking that they
> are
> > learning the ONLY
> > authentic style of tango.
> >
> > Milonguero is a perfectly valid form of tango and
> I
> > think if you were to
> > take only classes with Miller and her proteges..
> > from what I hear you will
> > be able to find plenty of people to dance with in
> > BA.
> >
> > But I would argue that if you learn proper Salon
> > Open and Close technique,
> > you will be able to go ANYWHERE that Argentine
> Tango
> > is danced and dance
> > with woman in the room. Again, because learning
> > Salon Close embrace will
> > teach you all of the elements found in Milonguero.
> > It is does not put limits
> > on what you can learn.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Clint
> > clint  @tangoevolution.com
> > http://www.tangoevolution.com
>
>
>
>
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