Re: [TANGO-L] Tango Dialects

[WHITE 95 R <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>]

Hi Daniel, Steve,

This is one of the most contentious and useless arguments that come up every
so often. The cross step of the woman is led and not led at the same time.
It's led because the man begins to move and lead the woman to begin a turn
to his left, but does not allow her to go around him as he moves forward.
The cross is nothing but the front cross that follows the open step to her
right..... It's not led per se but it's led because it's the code of the
tango.

Lets look at it this way. The thing could begin with a salida where thye man
leads the woman to take a side step (open) to here right, the next logical
step of the turn is a cross. In this case it's back cross that the man leads
by going forward (she steps back or crashes into him. The next step would be
a side step (open) again to her right, but since the pesky leader continues
to move forward, her open step is in a rearward bias. The next logical step
of the grapevine (molinete) is of course, a front cross which in this case
the woman does while still moving directly backwards, Eureka! there is the
famos "cross"..... The man must of course, stop and step in place or risk
running over his partner.

There we have it, the cross is led because it's the logical progression of
the woman's turn to her right, but is not a specific, discrete and special
lead that the man must do at the third step when he steps outside to her
right.

Successful crosses to all,

Manuel

P.S. thanks to Alberto Paz for his clear and informative lesson on the tango
codes. I learned this from him.



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----Original Message Follows----
From: Daniel Lapadula <clubstyletango   @YAHOO.COM>
Reply-To: Daniel Lapadula <clubstyletango   @YAHOO.COM>
To: TANGO-L   @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tango Dialects
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:08:31 -0800

The cross..(fift position or colecting in front )in
the female role is a learned step.And , as learned
,there is not lead for it.She will execute it
following the normal way to do the 8 count basic.
In tango,the man does not walk outside the female more
than 1 step forward.The number 3,if you need to dance
counting will be toward your partner and giving extra
space from your chess to allow her to colect in cross.
My regards.
Daniel
PS:My own opinion made from many coments from old
milongueros!
>
> There is some controversy about what constitutes
> leading a cross.
> Some people maintain that the cross is led by the
> man walking on the
> woman's right side a prescribed number of her steps.
>  Some people say such
> a rule  makes the cross an automatic
> step--particularly if the man's body
> motion does accomodate or lead a cross.  A small
> minority will go further
> and argue that the cross should be led by the man's
> right arm.
>
> Perhaps, geographic dialects might exist if one
> particular teacher taught
> most of the people in a city/region.  With modern
> travel, however, it is
> hard to imagine these dialects persisting
> regionally.
>
> --Steve (de Tejas)
>


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Daniel Lapadula
ClubStyleTango   @yahoo.com
Http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/tangoestilodelcentro







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