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Re: [TANGO-L] hard wiring and milonga



Frank in Minneapolis wrote:

i) Perhaps Oleh is the exception that proves the rule [...] But as most
teachers know, typical students are only capable of learning the dance
backwards. It is the exceptional student (and usually a follower) to whom
you can teach the most important fundamentals right up front.

I teach shuffle step in the very first beginner lesson. More on exceptions below.

And

iii) Based on my travels I would agree that followers 'up here' - and I
hope that YOU are an exception ;-) - *don't* trust that you will really
lead them. They don't give you their body to work with. They don't shut
down all the necessary circuits because it usually doesn't work.

This is not my experience.


I think the key to Alex's remark lays in another thing he said in that
milonga class, namely that leader's upper body should remain steady as he
dances milonga. And indeed when he dances milonga his upper body does not
move. When I dance milonga I dance it with everything I ve got below my neck
(with a few notable exceptions), because the music sways me. It might sound
gaudy but actually quite nice because I do not have to make huge movements
to convey the lead in close embrace. If I use my upper body it's fairly easy
to lead quick countermotion of shuffle step.

I do not think I am an exception either. I ve received several private
emails from leaders who also can lead shuffle step in any direction. I do
think that there are about one - two followers in ten who need significantly
amplified lead at first - they might have never been exposed to the shuffle
step before. However even in those cases it s a matter of proper lead and
not that followers are not capable following.

Cheers, Oleh K.
Colorado Springs
http://TangoSpring.com





From: Frank Williams <frankw  @MAIL.AHC.UMN.EDU>
Reply-To: Frank Williams <frankw  @MAIL.AHC.UMN.EDU>
To: TANGO-L  @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] hard wiring and milonga
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:45:45 -0500

Heyo Friends,

1. ...glad to hear you kids had a good time in Denver!

2. Oleh reports:

>>Alex said in class 'that North American followers cannot do small
shuffle
step to the left (relative to the line of dance), because they are
hardwired
by instructors to' ....<<

Several responses:
  i)  Perhaps Oleh is the exception that proves the rule.  I wasn't there,
but I have tremendous respect for my friend Alex.  I agree that followers
up
here are often 'hard wired'.  [For one thing, their circuits are not
properly grounded ;-)]  But as most teachers know, typical students are
only
capable of learning the dance backwards.  It is the exceptional student
(and
usually a follower) to whom you can teach the most important fundamentals
right up front.  So if your own experiences differ somewhat from a
teacher's, it only means you're different, perhaps insightful, not right or
wrong.  Like it or not, teachers are supposed to give dancers the
confidence
and means to get 'out there' as quickly as possible.

  ii)  However (and NOT in reference to Denver), teachers who suggest
dancing tango structure/steps to milonga music are asking for trouble!
Maybe they are naove to the ramifications of this 'short-cut', or faced
with
students whose memories are totally saturated by other classes.  Milonga
demands a flawless, solid, trusting connection.  Executing tango steps at a
milonga tempo is IMHO difficult and counterproductive.  Traditional milonga
steps differ from tango for a good reason: with the quicker timing, the
movements are simpler and lighter to require less energy.  Only when the
frame/connection are *really* dialed-in can you 'bump-up' the energy
without
problems.  Personally, I think it's a great disservice to teach milonga
using tango steps/structure.  Ochos in milonga?  Ooof!  ...only in an
emergency (or maybe as a joke)!  Because of the energy mis-match, I
personally struggle not to keep tango out of my milonga but to keep milonga
out of my tango.

  iii)  Based on my travels I would agree that followers 'up here' - and I
hope that YOU are an exception ;-) - *don't* trust that you will really
lead
them.  They don't give you their body to work with.  They don't shut down
all the necessary circuits because it usually doesn't work.

  iv)  That's obviously because most leaders are not prepared to kindly
take
a woman by the body and give her just what she wants and needs to feel
great
while really following.  When Mr. Average Leader was a new beginner, no
woman in the class was forward enough to snug-up against him!  ...If they
did there's still the difficult issue of perceiving and managing the axis.
So the problems (and the blame) are cyclical and endemic.  Before you
circle
back and blame the teachers, let's not forget the often-impossible
expectations of new tango students.  Obstacles like modesty, the paradigms
of other social dances that just don't apply and even common misconceptions
about the basic nature of dance itself.  ...so many distractions...


3) In retrospect, we should all have learned milonga before tango! Even though it's too late now, milonga is still one of the best remedies for problems with single-axis tango. It helps teach what is essential and what is not. It shows (for those who are attentive) that the key to making the dance work is relaxation and trust. If something you like is not working, trying *harder* will only make things worse. You have to RELAX harder! ;-) For (single-axis) tango and milonga, these revelations and their practice are worth all the memorized steps and 'intellectualizing' under the sun.


Take care, all!


Frank in Mpls.


Frank G. Williams, Ph.D. University of Minnesota frankw @umn.edu 612-625-6441

Department of Neuroscience
6-145 Jackson Hall
321 Church St. SE.
Minneapolis, MN  55455

Department of Veterinary and Biomedical Sciences
1971 Commonwealth Ave.
St. Paul, Minnesota 55108


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