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Digest from 9 Sep 2000 to 10 Sep 2000

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There are 14 messages totalling 769 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Argentine Tango IDO World Championship's results. 2. the Denver handshake 3. Do you need tango to tango? 4. feet 5. Couples as Tango Partners 6. Sherrie has it right - shoe WIDTH is the answer to foot problems !!! 7. tango in rome 8. What's up with L.A. Tango? 9. Irresponsibility of Milonga Organizers (2) 10. Bs As Hotels 11. tips for foot pain 12. A little survey... results (2)

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 03:52:34 EDT From: Randy & Lydia <TangoFantasy @AOL.COM> Subject: Argentine Tango IDO World Championship's results. Hola Milongueros y Tangueras: Tonight, at the Fontainebleau Hilton Hotel in Miami Beach, at the USDSC took place the 2000 International Dance Organization (IDO) World Argentine Tango Championships. There was great talent from all over the world and many countries participated. We are excited to announce the 2000 IDO Professional Argentine Tango World Champions, direct from Argentina, from Forever Tango and many acclaimed shows, Carlos Gavito and Marcela Duran. The standing ovation they received demonstrated the appreciation of the more than 2,000 people who truly loved and admired the authentic Argentine Tango they saw tonight. Second place went to Christian Camacho and Monica Llobet, from the USA. Also, third place from the USA , Diego Blanco and Ana Padron. It was an exciting evening in a beautiful setting with a full house. Thank you Gavito and Marcela for representing Argentina at this prestigious event. Tango Forever, Randy y Lydia

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:20:25 -0500 From: Karen Whitesell <kglass @IPA.NET> Subject: the Denver handshake the Denver handshake Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:28:22 -0500 From: Karen Whitesell <kglass @ipa.net> Organization: Karen's Stained Glass Studio To: TANGO-A <TANGO-A @MITVMA.MIT.EDU> The White Peaks of Denver As my hostess left me at the airport, she gave me the biggest hug and a little Tom Stermitz wiggle to go with it. Only a weekend of close embrace could have set the tone for such a hug. The warmth we shared with all the dancers is the best I have ever experienced. The close embrace has always been an option, but the weekend in Denver made us use it. The classes made closeness easier, workable, and more desirable than ever. The most consentrated effort to help the women I have ever had in any class. I witnessed people leaving class with a smile on their face instead of frustration on their brain. Many thanks to my hosts, Elaine Ellis and Robert Skinner, they were so special. (And they had met on the tango floor.) You just wouldn't believe the lengths they went through to help me enjoy the Denver experience. Many thanks to Tango-L, for we wouldn't have know about such an opportunity without it. We are really a global tango community. Keep up the invitations! I went to Murray's today to check on progress, and the welder was working on the elevator. He asked about my trip, and I just had to give him a tango hug. He was covered all over in welder's black dirt, and I was in a white blouse. I didn't care though, and he loved it. I hope all will pass along this Denver handshake, and hope all will be closer in the dance. Karen Mt Vernon, Missouri

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:07:04 -0400 From: Reuven Freuman <tango @THEBEST1.COM> Subject: Re: Do you need tango to tango? In every walk of life you will find rigid and fanatic people, and Tango world is no exception. In my view those people are missing on life, because they view the world in terms of black and white - no shades of gray (or color for that matter). When that person said with restrain that "he would never dance tango to non tango...and that even piazzola wasn't something he would dance to" - in a different time and place in history he would burn you on a stake as a witch ... We prefer tango music, but sometimes when a Marengue is playing we would do the Milonga (same rhythm). Keep dancing to whatever music you feel like. Reuven

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:21:52 +0900 From: astrid <astrid @RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP> Subject: Re: feet Charles wrote: ... > Apart from that always be sure to wear shoes with arches (very important) Which company produces tango shoes with arches? Insoles moulded to support the foot seems to be an unknown concept at least in Argentina. >

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:46:23 +1000 From: conrad sernia <c.sernia @MAILBOX.UQ.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: Couples as Tango Partners >Dear list; > >I have recently heard a thread of "wisdom" (??) from a tango teacher in my >area, who believes that romantic couples can very rarely be good dance >partners. I can share my personal experience on this topic, as my tango partner and I are also a "couple". While I think there is some "wisdom" the this teacher's advice, the real issue here is one of personality and not of being a couple. In my particular case, my partner wanted to dance with me more than I wanted to. I opted for greater open-ness. It did create difficulties for our relationship - on and off the dance - floor. I would even go as far as to say that our personal relation- ship could have blown apart. However it is clear to me that the issue has been one of personality and not with being a "couple". Tango partners who have not sorted out a healthy balance between time spent dancing together and time allowed for dancing with others (or resting), may delay or prevent the development of their peak poten- tial as tango partners. This has nothing to do with being a "couple". If the reason for restricted "time off" is possessiveness or insecu- rity by one of the partners then the rift could tear them apart. But again, this can and does happen, whether or not the pair is a couple. I think the tango teacher referred to here is alluding to a greater propensity of "couples" to suffer from possessiveness, and my personal experience indicates there may be truth in it. On the positive side, the opportunity for spontaneous practice is much greater for couples. The level of communication tends to be high, and there is a trust and joy that may frequently be lacking in dancing with a platonic partner. It is not hard to pick couples on the dance floor as their rapport and relaxed intimacy shows in their dancing. Conrad

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:10:01 -0500 From: Anne Atheling <atheling @EARTHLINK.NET> Subject: Sherrie has it right - shoe WIDTH is the answer to foot problems !!! Hi Tangueras (and Tangueros too ) ! Sherrie wrote: "I find the biggest problem is not height, but WIDTH of the shoe. It seems that the more you do tango,the more the ball of the foot expands and shoes with narrow toe boxes cause undo pressure on the toes and nerves leading to toes." And she has it right..if the WIDEST part of the foot (the span across the major toe joints) is "constrained" with a shoe that is too narrow across these joints - there will be pain - AND ultimately damage to the foot. The height of the heel is not the problem..it is the WIDTH of the shoe. I have worn high heels for years and have never had any foot pain - or foot problems. In fact, I used to work all day in heels - and then dance all night - in heels. My feet and toes are straight and I have no deformations such as bunions (the foot's way of telling you the shoe is too tight !!!). I am not "lucky" - I know the secret to foot comfort...shoes that is WIDE enough to "accommodate" those toe joints ! ! I buy the WIDEST shoes and then STRETCH the width for several days on a pair of wooden stretchers. I wrap the stretchers in a damp cloth and stretch the width overnight. Every day I wet the cloth again, increasing the width each day, repeating the process until I can slip my feet into the shoes - with ease. As a former figure skater, I learned this technique from a skate shop where there was a professional-level stretcher. And I always buy strappy "Latin" sandals because there is more "stretch" in a strappy sandal than in a closed pump. And I stretch all my regular shoes as well... I see tango dancers in the very pointy narrow-toed shoes..BUT they are usually wearing shoes several sizes larger than their street shoes...there are no "real toes" in those narrow pointed shoe toes !!! Your feet are a most important element in your dancing..and if the major toe joints supporting your weight are "tortured" in narrow shoes, it's obvious that your feet will be misersble - and so will you !!! Best wishes and ask your cobbler where to buy shoe stretchers - for foot comfort... "Tangerine"

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:42:44 +0900 From: astrid <astrid @RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP> Subject: Re: tango in rome

Original Message ----- From: robin thomas <ic11788 @MAIL.INFOHOUSE.COM> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:26 AM Subject: tango in rome > I just came back from Rome. . I had got the impression from things I read > on this list that in Europe people danced more milonguero, in the > close embrace. This was the opposite of my experience. You get all styles. Many people can do both, adjusting their embrace to how much space there is. The close embrace on the crowded dance floor does not always deserve the name "milonguero",though, with some men it is not minimalist but minimum style. I'd rather dance fantasia than endless salidas and rocksteps without emotion. I had my best experience dancing that simple though but the man was Argentine. I saw almost > no-one dancing as close as I usually do in New York. The better > dancers were dancing in a big open style doing lots of boleos and > ganchos and actually quite a few of them were Argentines resident in > Rome. Some people try to imitate the tango shows they saw. Or they may be students of stage dancers. In Berlin you will find a number of Argentines, especially in the milongas run by Debra and Emiliano (Soda club and Gruener Salon), and the tiny Trialarit, where you almost have to order your drinks in Spanish. > In New York you don't get that many bad or beginer dancers at > milongas because it can be very intimidating because the level of > dancing is so high. IMHO there are a lot of men in the milongas in Berlin as well as Tokyo, who think, there is such a majority of women, a man does not even need to know how to dance, because you can still succeed with some women who are desperate. This is where we have gone to from the days of competition between the milongueros in Bs.As.. The women are often the better dancers, for the same reason. Even with the high level dancers in Berlin, I met only one man who knew how to do a giro enrosque and he is Japanese ! Everyone else returns from the giro in a media luna. It was surprising to see a lot of Italian men > pushing and pulling the women with there left hands. They knew the > steps but the way they were leading them looked awful to me, a lot of > arms pumping up and down in time to the music too. A lot of women who > I danced with seemed disoriented by how little I used my left arm. I woud say, the arm pumping is left over from their dance school days. I have seen some advanced tango dancers who still cannot eliminate that waltz swing from their step, their dance is flamboyant but there is that constant elastic up-and-down, by which you can recognize the European ballroom room graduate. I came to the conclusion that a lot of the people I saw had been > dancing for a few years but had taken not that many lessonsl. Right! Three months will get you to the level where you can pick up a woman, so off to the milongas, they are cheaper, too. Italians are pretty stylish and so they tend to look good even if > they have no idea what there doing and they can fake it really well. Sigh. Can't say that for the Germans or the Japanese.. ; ) These milongas can make me feel a little cynical, sorry, folks. > I'd be very interested to hear any other observations people had as > tango tourists. >

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:21:13 +0000 From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM> Subject: What's up with L.A. Tango? You might expect someone who signs himself Larry de Los Angeles to tell you that LA is an absolutely wonderful city & that the tango scene here is the world s best. But I won t. The fact is that (despite the recent postings of a couple of grumpy women) Los Angeles is simply yet another large city. The tango scene is what you ll find everywhere, with the sort of regional variations you might expect. That means, among other things, that you ll find wonderful people & self-centered, mean-hearted people. You ll find all the variations in tango style that you see anywhere else. You ll find terrific dancers, incompetents & beginners (who are not by any means identical!), & all the shadings in between. Criticisms of LA tell you much more about the people who make them than about the city. In the end, how much you enjoy dancing tango here in LA depends most on your own physical & (more importantly) spiritual resources. Larry de Los Angeles http://home.att.net/~larrydla ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:51:10 -0700 From: "Sa, Na-W, Na-C, Na-E, Misc" <tangomaniac @JUNO.COM> Subject: Irresponsibility of Milonga Organizers I returned last Wednesday night from an exciting group tour in Spain. Whereas most group members read the promotional materials about the cities on the itinerary, I searched the web to find out where the milongas were. I find a web site and printed out the locations. (I didn't write to Tango-A list requesting locations because it seemed rude to ask others for information I could find out on my own.) I took the list and dance shoes. At Seville, I went to the location. Nothing. Lights out!! In my poor Spanish, I was able to understand from the establishment next door that the discotheque was closed. MARVELOUS. On to Barcelona! A rude bartender said "No mas tango!!" When the concierge at my hotel called another location on the sheet, the response was "This is a private club and there's not tango here." Q. What's the purpose of my ruminations? A. Clearly, some milonga organizers submit information to a web master and never update it so out-of-towners go to nonexistent milongas. Updates include no tango during the summer or a new location. Q. Suppose the milonga organizers sent the information to the web master, who didn't update the list. A. In that case, the web master is negligent for not updating the page. For some, I'm sure it's too much work to update a listing for one month and then revise it later. While my vacation wasn't ruined, it would have been nice to dance tango in Spain. My dance shoes picked up thousands of frequent flyer miles crossing the Atlantic twice. Next time, I'll go the Tango-A route and ask for assistance. I certainly learned my lesson not to rely exclusively on Internet postings. Michael Somewhat disappointed in Washington

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:44:40 +0000 From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM> Subject: Bs As Hotels (I m posting this request for info to TANGO-L because I think it is of general interest; my specific concerns are a sort of average of many other people s. So you might want to reply to the list rather than directly to me.) For my first trip to Argentina I want the conveniences of a hotel rather than renting a room from someone (as I will likely do on future trips). Since I expect to use the hotel room only for resting, sleeping, & getting ready to go out, I don t care if my room is small & doesn t have a lot of amenities. Still, I want something safe, clean, quiet, comfortable & convenient. This means air conditioning, non- smoking rooms, & laundry service. A hair dryer & ironing board/iron would be very useful. For this I expect to pay no more than about $100. By registering via email & paying in cash this should be possible for a fairly nice place. For my first trip to Bs As I don t want to range very far from the downtown. For my plans the perfect location would be near Nueve de Julio, the wide North-South axis which is actually three (& in two places four) parallel streets. The hotel should also be close to Avenida de Mayo, the wide East-West axis which is also part of three close parallel streets. If my "perfect" hotel is not available at that intersection, it should not be much further North than Corrientes, another major East-West street a few blocks North of Av de Mayo. (The Obelisk, a major landmark, is at that intersection.) So far the three best candidates I ve found are the Rochester, Hyde Park, & Castelar Hotels. Does anyone have experience with them? Other good hotels? Thanks in advance, Larry de Los Angeles http://home.att.net/~larrydla ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:55:19 EDT From: Lisa Morrison <LDMCoach @AOL.COM> Subject: tips for foot pain Dear Tangueras and Tangueros, I know there have been lots of comments regarding tango shoes and suggestions for alleviating foot pain. After having spent a significant amount of money on different brands and styles of dance shoes, on foot products of all kinds, and on podiatrists' bills, and having spent many evenings researching foot pain on the Internet when my feet were too sore to dance, I'll add my two cents worth. Just for the record, I never had any type of foot problems prior to dancing tango. There is no single answer to curing foot problems resulting from tango. All of the factors mentioned in previous writings, including heel height, shoe width, padding, dance technique, etc., are important and interact with one another, as do our individual differences in body mechanics, physiology, etc. Here are some of the things I've learned while trying to solve my own foot problems. ---Good shoe fit is crucial. While shoes which are too narrow may pinch toes and cause problems, shoes which are too wide can also be problematic, especially if your foot slides forward. I ended up with painful and injured toes because my shoes stretched across the instep and toe area, allowing my foot to slide forward and move from side to side while dancing, bruising and mashing my toes against the front and sides of my shoes in the process. No pads of any kind helped and in some cases they worsened the condition. My suggestion, especially for shoes made from soft leather, or for those dancers with narrow feet is to buy shoes that have a fabric lining to limit stretching, and also shoes with cross ankle straps or other design elements which keeps the foot firmly back in shoe. Remember that most shoes will stretch with use which can be beneficial or detrimental depending upon your foot and the shoe. When shoes no longer fit well, even if they still look good, replace them. Inserts, pads (metatarsal and other), cushions, etc., can be helpful, but don't rely on these in lieu of a good fit. ---Shoe design can make a difference. Pointy-toe shoes are obviously harder on your toes than shoes with a more rounded or natural toe shape. Shoes which cover all or nearly all of your toes provide more stability and support than shoes with less toe coverage. Shoes that hold your feet snugly in place and are adjustable are more comfortable and provide the dancer with greater stability and are less fatiguing. Try different styles and manufacturers. They can really make a difference. If you don't mind ballroom shoes with a suede sole, Celebrity makes a number of attractive shoes appropriate for tango. All of their shoes, men's and women's, have extra cushioning throughout the sole, come in a variety of heel heights for men and women, and most have natural toe shapes. (Note: I have no financial interest in Celebrity products.) ---Heel height affects technique and comfort. I experimented with different heel heights while dancing. I found that my stability, technique and balance varied considerably, as did my comfort. According to my podiatrist who specializes in working with dancers, higher heels do not necessarily translate into more pain, although that can certainly be the case. You may actually find that you are more comfortable in 2 1/2 heels than 2 in. heels because of your style, body mechanics, etc. ---Technique can impact pain. One of the previous list contributors suggested setting your heel down on the floor after taking a step. I know from experience that this can lessen pain. Your body weight is spread out over a larger area when you're using your whole foot. I took some private lessons with Marcelo and Yanina from Rosario, Argentina (who I highly recommend by the way) and they always teach the woman to use her heels in this way. Yanina is a wonderful, graceful, fully-in-control dancer. There is nothing awkward or unelegant about putting weight down on your heels. That is only one example of dance technique impacting pain. There are others. A good orthopedist or podiatrist with the proper experience could help identify others. ---Take frequent breaks. Sitting periodically, taking your shoes off, etc., helps enormously during a long night of dancing. It was hard for me to voluntarily sit out some dances at first, but I quickly learned that taking frequent breaks and pacing myself actually allowed me to dance more dances during the evening than if I danced until my feet hurt badly and then sat out. ---Change shoes often. This goes not only for throwing out shoes as they become worn and ill-fitting, but it also applies to an evening of dancing. Since different styles and different manufacturers' shoes fit your feet differently, changing your shoes every 1 to 2 hours is less fatiguing and more comfortable for your feet during a long evening of dancing. ---Comfort is also affected by the material and condition of your shoe soles, as well as the type of dance floor. Ballroom shoes, which frequently have a suede sole, can offer greater control for those who want to "feel" the floor, but they also provide little cushioning and protection for the feet. If you use this type of shoe, be sure to replace them often, since they provide less and less support over time. When I use ballroom shoes for tango, I sometimes find that they provide too much resistance against the floor when they are new. Since this extra resistance is an added strain on my feet, I now wax the bottom of suede-sole shoes with wood floor wax before dancing. Doing this cuts the resistance, making it easier on my feet during the breaking in process. Be cautious about how much wax you use as this can make the soles dangerously slick. I know ballroom shoe suppliers would be horrified by this suggestion, but I usually find that my shoes have stretched or no longer offer good support long before the soles wear out. I also notice that well-maintained, well-suspended wooden dance floors are much easier on my feet than other surfaces. I have found that cement, marble, or vinyl flooring over cement are very hard on my feet and joints. I no longer dance on these surfaces. ---Taking care of your feet after dancing helps a lot. If you need to take something for pain, I found that anti-inflammatories like aspirin or ibuprofen worked the best for me. While soaking my feet in warm water felt soothing after a long night of dancing, my podiatrist and orthopedist strongly urged me not to use warm water. They were adamant about the use of ice for post-dancing pain. They instructed me to use an ice cube and massage or rub the ice into the joints and around the painful areas for 5 to 10 minutes per foot. After having tried many ideas, I have to agree that this is the most effective post-dancing treatment for me. It is more effective than ice packs or ice water (although I have to admit that icing down my feet at 2 am is not my idea of fun). I have used a variety of creams (with arnica, Tiger Balm, Ben Gay, etc.) which sometimes seem to help. Massaging my feet either by hand or with a foot massager after dancing also helps reduce discomfort. Stretching and conditioning feet, ankles and hamstrings daily and before dancing also helps reduce soreness and the probability of certain kinds of injuries. ---Don't ignore foot problems. While most women I know have some kind of foot problem from dancing, especially tango, pain shouldn't be accepted as a normal part of dancing tango and therefore ignored. When I saw my podiatrist, she told me that it was important to solve my foot and shoe problems from dancing as it could eventually lead to scarring and ultimately interfere with my ability to walk. I had no idea the pain I experienced during and after dancing could have such serious implications! ---If you decide to seek help from a podiatrist or orthopedist, try to find one who specializes in working with dancers or athletes. Being that I live in a major metropolitan area, I was able to find a podiatrist that specialized in working with dancers. Because of her experience, she was enormously helpful and offered ideas and advice that no one else had provided me. I have additional recommendations, but I've already written far more than I had planned. I'm not a podiatrist or health care professional, but I'm certainly happy to share what I've learned with others. Emails are welcome. Wishing all of you many happy, pain-free hours of dancing. Lisa Morrison Oakland, CA

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:00:21 -0700 From: diane m tober <DTOBER @PRODIGY.NET> Subject: Re: Irresponsibility of Milonga Organizers Dear Michael; You seem to be operating under the assumption that other cultures should adhere to the same standards of organization and consistency that we do here in the United States. As you found out, in Spain things run a bit differently. I went to Madrid for a month last summer and was also frustrated by the fact that the milongas on the list were not always at the same time or place as had been stated on the web pages--especially during the months of July and August when some clubs close for summer vacation. In fact, it took me a week and a half of returning to the same destination (La Carretta) every night, hoping to find a milonga, only to be told it was the following night. Not being one to give up, I persisted until I finally succeeded. Once I got there and there actually was a Milonga everything opened up for me. I was formally introduced to everyone there, and was told by numerous patrons where the other Milongas of the week were located. Once I gained entree into the community, I had an incredible time, with many wonderful dances. At the time I spoke almost no Spanish. If you want to travel and dance in foreign destinations--especially places like Spain or Italy--it might be a better strategy to avoid tours. Stay in one place. Get to know the people. Take the culture on its on terms and learn to adapt yourself to your new surroundings and different ways of doing things. Otherwise, what difference does it make if you dance in Spain or the United States? A better way to operate is, indeed, to post inquiries about "where to tango in_____". However, even these can be unreliable because, as in the example of Spain, some of the places that were offering milongas last Summer are now closed. Anyway, I hope your future adventures are more successful. I had such a wonderful time dancing in Spain that I felt a need to defend it.

Original Message----- From: Sa, Na-W, Na-C, Na-E, Misc <tangomaniac @JUNO.COM> To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

Date: Saturday, September 09, 2000 5:52 PM Subject: Irresponsibility of Milonga Organizers >I returned last Wednesday night from an exciting group tour in Spain. >Whereas most group members read the promotional materials about the >cities on the itinerary, I searched the web to find out where the >milongas were. I find a web site and printed out the locations. (I didn't >write to Tango-A list requesting locations because it seemed rude to ask >others for information I could find out on my own.) > >I took the list and dance shoes. At Seville, I went to the location. >Nothing. Lights out!! In my poor Spanish, I was able to understand from >the establishment next door that the discotheque was closed. MARVELOUS. >On to Barcelona! A rude bartender said "No mas tango!!" When the >concierge at my hotel called another location on the sheet, the response >was "This is a private club and there's not tango here." > >Q. What's the purpose of my ruminations? >A. Clearly, some milonga organizers submit information to a web master >and never update it so out-of-towners go to nonexistent milongas. Updates >include no tango during the summer or a new location. > >Q. Suppose the milonga organizers sent the information to the web master, >who didn't update the list. >A. In that case, the web master is negligent for not updating the page. >For some, I'm sure it's too much work to update a listing for one month >and then revise it later. > >While my vacation wasn't ruined, it would have been nice to dance tango >in Spain. My dance shoes picked up thousands of frequent flyer miles >crossing the Atlantic twice. Next time, I'll go the Tango-A route and ask >for assistance. I certainly learned my lesson not to rely exclusively on >Internet postings. > >Michael >Somewhat disappointed in Washington > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to Tango-A rather than to >Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To subscribe to Tango-A, >send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to LISTSERV @MITVMA.MIT.EDU. >-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:09:32 -0300 From: "Jose A. Contreras" <jcontrer @CMET.NET> Subject: A little survey... results

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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:30:58 +0900 From: astrid <astrid @RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP> Subject: Re: A little survey... results : Votes : Translation : 0% Keep Spanish names : 100% Strong wish : To have an explanation of the meanings of those Spanish names and, if possible, its origin... CONCLUSION : Listen to this, tango teachers, tango amateurs, and tango enthusiastics all over the world ... make your own conclusions... Jose A. Contreras Tanguero Chileno I agree though I wish I knew more Spanish. Just one thing and this is really silly: The funniest class I ever went to was when Gustavo Saenz came here from Rome. When he told people to do the sandwich (mordida?) he called out: "And now : Panini !" He had all the usually subdued Japanese students floored with laughter.

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