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There are 5 messages totalling 211 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Guitar... on Argentine tango
2. cemetary
3. Etiquette (3)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:01:03 +0100
From: Schulz Johannes <j.schulz @STR.DAIMLER-BENZ.COM>
Subject: Re: Guitar... on Argentine tango
Daniel Diaz wrote:
> You make a good observation and I agree that many groups don't allow
the
> guitar to shine as an important part of a tango group which uses that
> great instrument. It is a pity.
>
> As you know, in the earlier times of tango, the guitar was an
important
> instrument in duos, later trios and so on. In keeping with that
> heritage, we later enjoyed great duos, trios and quartets with
> bandoneon, guitar, double bass and other instruments. When the piano
> arrived to the tango orchestras, it took the part of the guitar.
Hola Daniel! Hola List!
There are a few orchestras, which are greater than a Quarteto and
where the guitar has a very impotant part.
Quinteto Real , ohne of the best Tango orchsteras, that I know, with
the brillant de Lio.
But there are also young and very good orchestras from Buenos Aires,
where the guitar players are wirting the arrganements, what you can hear
in there music.
There is the septeto El Arranque. The group is a tipical sexteto with
a giutar player (A. Schwarz). Label: vaiven 425 086
The second young Quinteto is called Aquaforte with a deep influence
of the guitar.
Greetings
Johannes / Stuttgart / Germany
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:12:39 EST
From: Dario Mendiguren <C21DARI @AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: cemetary
Dear Timothy and List:
The famous Cemetary is "La Recoleta" instead of Rigaletto, and the name
is Eva Peron not Perone as it was spelled , the rest is funny.
Dario
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:14:45 PST
From: Robert Hink <rhink2 @NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: Etiquette
Hola Subscribers,
I cannot speak for everyone, but in my little corner
of the tango world I have witnessed and experienced
some of the rudest behavior of any dance community.
Let me describe 3 incidents. The first was related =
to me by a beginning dancer who was encouraged by her
instructor to attend a milonga. A man asked her for =
dance. They took about 3 steps when the man stopped
and said, "You haven't been doing this very long,
have you?" The beginning dancer said, "Only about
a month." The man thanked her and walked away. The
lady never attended another milonga.
The second happened to me when I first started to
venture out of the studio to milongas. I asked
a more experienced dancer for a tango. Without
saying a word she slowly shook her head only
barely acknowledging that I had requested a dance
in the first place. I said, "I'll take that as
a 'No'." It took me awhile before I was willing to
ask someone for a dance again but never with that women.
Incidently, last week a friend and I were sharing untoward
tango experiences at a milonga. I told him that story.
About 10 minutes later he came back and told me that the same
thing had just happened to him. Have I missed something?
Are deliberate 'put downs' part of tango?
The last incident again happened to me. This time I asked
a less experienced dancer for a tango. She responded, "Oh
sure since the guy I really want to dance with is occupied
now." I said I thought she should wait for that guy
then. She came up later and apologized saying that it was
a lapse and that she hadn't meant to be rude. I thanked
her for the apology but I pointed out that the damage had
been done. I never again could ask her for a dance without
wondering whether she really wanted to dance with me. I
told her that in the future if she wanted a dance with me
she would have to ask.
I am not a big proponent of rules, but this one that I was
taught might bare repeating. =
"When asked to dance there are 2 and only acceptable responses:
1. 'Yes, thank you.'
If you elect 1., you must complete the dance.
2. 'No, thanks anyway but I'm sitting this one out.'
If you elect 2., then you must sit it out." =
Look, folks, this kind of behavior is unacceptable. It is
in all our interest to grow the tango community. When these
occurrences happen, and I fear they do all too frequently,
the word gets out that tangueros/as are unfriendly and
unwelcoming. If anyone leaves a milonga without a smile,
I believe, we are all diminished.
Bob Hink
B.A. Tango
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:45:25 EST
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Etiquette
----Original Message Follows----
From: Robert Hink <rhink2 @NETSCAPE.NET>
Snip
"When asked to dance there are 2 and only acceptable responses:
1. 'Yes, thank you.'
If you elect 1., you must complete the dance.
2. 'No, thanks anyway but I'm sitting this one out.'
If you elect 2., then you must sit it out."
Snip
I do agree with Robert on this. I'm sorry that he and others have suffered
callous put downs. Personally, I would find it difficult to treat someone in
such cruel way. OTOH, lets face it, this is how life is inside and outside
the tango world. Snubs and put downs are common and we must learn to deal
with them. In a perfect world everyone would be treated kindly, with dignity
and respect and all would be happy and content. Alas, this just ain't so but
we can each do a little to make the milongas (and the world in general) a
more pleasnt place.
Oh, by the way, there is at least another answer: No, thank you, but I've
promised this dance already. In which case you may dance with whomever you
arranged beforehand.
Happy milongas to all,
Manuel
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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:43:53 -0800
From: Tegan Mulholland <teganm @HOME.COM>
Subject: Re: Etiquette
I agree that these people were out of line. Declining a dance like
that is incredibly rude.
For a good article on dance etiquette that EVERY dancer should have to
read:
http://www.dsp.rice.edu/~aria/etiquette.html
Sections on the topic that Bob discussed in his letter are:
http://www.dsp.rice.edu/~aria/etiquette.html#Asking
http://www.dsp.rice.edu/~aria/etiquette.html#Whom
http://www.dsp.rice.edu/~aria/etiquette.html#Declining
This article is formulated for social dancing in general, not Tango
specifically, but it's the most comprehensive article on the subject
that I have yet found.
I will be interested in hearing replies to these accounts of rude
dancers. I don't get out much into the Tango community in my area, so I
hope to be encouraged to do it more... but polite dancers will bring me
back.
Tegan
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