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Topics of the day:
1. censorship/ shoes
2. relaxing (2)
3. Tango's growth or death US
4. <No subject given>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:24:30 GMT
From: ASTRID SATO <astridsato @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: censorship/ shoes
Dear Larry,
Sorry to have annoyed you. As a matter of fact, I wasn't telling YOU to shut
up, on the contrary, I actually started to miss your contributions, which I
enjoyed long before I ever joined this list, and in my mind had you included
in the people remaining silent. I didn't realize you had all along been
enjoying that discussion.
And yes, I actually do have a question about that shoes subject, that you
chose as an exemple for boring topics, so feel welcome to skip the rest.
I am one of those people with a pair of shoes by "the famous Alberto", who
seems to be totally unknown to those who are selling their own shoes.
They are order made in colour, leather, shape and height of heel, and he
makes a special dummy for every customer fitting the exact form of the foot.
They do have this curious metal plate (Veronica laughed when I told her of
Sang's question and said she will be famous because of that silly piece of
metal), and the purpose is to protect the shoes while the dancer walks down
the streets of Buenos Aires on her way to the Milonga. (Argentinians don't
bring their shoes in a bag).
I can dance very nimbly in them but my feet do hurt afterward.
She sais, Alberto is the shoemaker who makes the shoes for her professor in
Argentina. Anybody ever heard of Alberto ?
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:33:42 EDT
From: Lisa Fernow <Fernowresn @AOL.COM>
Subject: relaxing
I have a question for the list and would welcome both the leaders' and
followers' perspectives. When following milonguero style (on the body), one
teacher told me that I carry a lot of tension in my body, and need to relax
more. I suspect it's because I am still finding confidence in my balance, as
I have only been dancing for a year and a half. Followers (or leaders!),
have you encountered this problem and if so, how have you overcome it?
Leaders, how would you describe the ideal feeling of relaxation v. resistance
you hope to get from a woman? Look forward to your thoughts.
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:51:29 GMT
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999 @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: relaxing
Lisa,
You could try this exercise, alone or with a partner.
Your could do it walking or with a figure such as the "basic".
Get in tango position. Take one step. Pause ... find your balance
and check your posture. Relax. Let your breath out and release the
tension from your shoulders, arms, etc. Find a solid connection
with the ground and with your partner. Take the next step. Etc....
When you have practiced this at very slow tempo, try it with music
(like DiSarli), stepping and relaxing on alternate beats.
The more you practice this exercise, the more you should be able to
stay relaxed without thinking about it.
"Ricardo"
>From: Lisa Fernow <Fernowresn @AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Fernowresn @AOL.COM
>To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: relaxing
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:33:42 EDT
>
>I have a question for the list and would welcome both the leaders' and
>followers' perspectives. When following milonguero style (on the body),
>one
>teacher told me that I carry a lot of tension in my body, and need to relax
>more. I suspect it's because I am still finding confidence in my balance,
>as
>I have only been dancing for a year and a half. Followers (or leaders!),
>have you encountered this problem and if so, how have you overcome it?
>Leaders, how would you describe the ideal feeling of relaxation v.
>resistance
>you hope to get from a woman? Look forward to your thoughts.
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:01 EDT
From: Rico Lombard <ricolombard @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Tango's growth or death US
After seeing some recent comments I felt it necessary to comment on the
problems we have in America with our tango communities. We spend all of our
energy trying to be cliqish like the Argentines. Most of us will spend very
little time in BA and those who do always complain about their bad
experience's. Some talk about tango orgasms here and there, learning where
to dance and how to approach the situation. These are wonderful stories and
might help someone enjoy their tango trip, however, some of the rules that
work in BA are not helpful in the growth of our tiny communities. People are
forever complaining about the lack of dancers at milongas. Loosen up people
none of you are as great as you think. Ladies deciding not to dance with a
guy just because it not tangasmic is the first step towards the disbanding
of our small dance groups. Have you ever noticed milongas that don't exits
anymore, and you saying where will I go,what will I do,there are no places
to dance my beloved tango. We can't afford to act to much like the
Argentines, who have countless thousands of partners and tango bars to
choose from. Their tango edicate is not useful here at all.
I would suggest telling these bigginers that you will dance a set per night
with them untill they get better and not more. I know it is difficult to
have these geeky tango PHDs bothering you all night just because you said
yes once. They need encouragement but also to understand where they are
skill wise. How many men and women have left tango because they have sat all
night without a single dance. SHAME ON THE AMERICAN TANGO COMMUNITY FOR
ADOPTING THE WORST OF BA TANGO CRAP.
Is it really that painful to dance with an average dancer once a night. Well
I am used to better (you tell yourself) so I can not lower myself to be
associated with those of lesser quality. We do not have a tango support
system for men to learn to be great leaders before they ever go to a milonga
and ask a lady for dance. So the rules are completely different in America.
Women are incharge of tango growth in the US they can make or break our
small communities. Rico
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:20:47 EDT
From: Rico Lombard <ricolombard @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: <No subject given>
Ah Melinda if men could only dance around the floor in the same lane and
not act like 13 year olds playing bumper cars. We men could do so much more
to make the ladies experience a gentle and melodic moment. I did neglect to
mention that men are also playing the BA game in america and searching for
tangasmic moments. My teachers have informed me that only occassionally do
they experience the perfect passion at a milonga and it takes the right
Music, lighting, and moment for that to occur. I seems in tango that people
all use the same buzz words to show their status in the tango world even if
they can't dance they can talk as though they are know it all. Rico
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