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There are 9 messages totalling 346 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. bandoneon classes
2. Change of direction (5)
3. Tango Argentino on Broadway
4. Argentine Flirting
5. new years tango
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:16:56 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: bandoneon classes
Here is a letter I received about the bandoneon is any one would be=20
interested in attending.
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Dear Listmembers,
I have just received a very interesting piece of information from Prof.
Alan Atlas, of the Music Dept. of CUNY. Since this will undoubtedly
interest many bandoneon players, especially those living in North America,
I am forwarding Prof. Atlas' message on to our discussion list. As I
receive more information, I will pass that on as well. Sincerely, Gregory
A. Vozar
"The Center for the Study of Free-Reed Instruments at the Graduate Center
of The City University of New York will be sponsoring an event called
=93Tango, Bandoneon, Piazzolla=94 on March 7th, 9th, 10th, and 13th, 2000.=20
"The event will consist of master classes by Pablo Ziegler (with the aid of
Hector Del Curto, bandoneon), a concert by Ziegler and his Quintet for New
Tango, an hour-long lecture by Maria Dunkel (Berlin) on the bandoneon in
the tango tradition, and an all-day symposium (six papers) on the music of
Astor Piazzolla.=20
"Needless to say, we would certainly appreciate any help that you might
offer us in publicizing this event among bandoneon players and enthusiasts.
I will send you precise information as soon as our publicity material is
ready (in December, most likely).Sincerely, Allan Atlas"
Greg Vozar
Webpage: http://www.bandoneons.com
The Classical Free-Reed, Inc. http://trfn.clpgh.org/free-reed
I am Tim Pogros (TimmyTango)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:38:08 +0200
From: Silke Engesser <j43 @IX.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE>
Subject: Re: Change of direction
On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jonny Lapongo wrote:
> Does any one knows what this change of direction means.
> I got the term from the TangoUSA letter about Fabian Salas.
>
> Alberto
>
I think it means you make a turn of about 180 degrees, the man is the
walking backwards and the woman is walking forward.
SILKE
>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:30:19 -0500
From: Carol Shepherd <shepherd @ARBORLAW.COM>
Subject: Re: Change of direction
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jonny Lapongo wrote:
>
> > Does any one knows what this change of direction means.
> > I got the term from the TangoUSA letter about Fabian Salas.
> >
At CITA in Buenos Aires last year I had classes with Fabian Salas and
also with Cecilia Gonzalez, that specifically treated change of
direction as an element of the dance. In those classes, it was taught
that the fundamental structure for Argentine tango is an alternation of
open and crossing steps, and that the default for the follower is to
assume this alternation continues, unless she gets a lead which
redirects her otherwise. (Eg, Giro, follower--open, front cross, open,
back cross; Basic 8, follower--open (side), back cross, open, front
cross (cruce)). Whether a step is characterized as 'open' or 'cross' is
relational: the placement of both partners is needed to determine that.
The same step of the follower, taken backwards, could either be a
walking step (open) or a crossing step (back cross), depending on the
placement of the leader in relation to the follower, at the time the
step in question is taken.
Under this structuring of tango, a "change of direction" in the lead is
a redirection of the follower's otherwise anticipated flow of steps, and
a "change of direction" in the follow is any lead which asks for
crossing step followed by another crossing step and not by an open step.
Eg, the forward ocho (front cross followed by front cross) and the
backward ocho (back cross followed by back cross). There is usually
torque in change of direction because it interrupts the flow of
alternating open and cross steps. The torque is the kinetic component
which gives the follower the necessary counter-body motion to
successfully perform ganchos, boleos, etc. which are very quick
reversals (changes) of direction.
Of course this is only one 'school' of thinking about tango. I am sure
there are other points of view, and I am also sure that if I have
mischaracterized anything, others will correct me ;)
--
Carol Ruth Shepherd
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:36:39 +0100
From: white95r <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Change of direction
There is another movement that could be called the change of direction.
While leading a turn the man interrupts the pattern of the grapevine by the
follower and makes her change directions in an unexpected way. For instance,
during a turn the leader steps to his right to "receive" a back cross of the
follower with her right leg but instead of allowing the follower to do the
next side step, he returns his weight back on to the left foot (while
pivoting to his left on his right foot) and leads the follower into a front
cross with her free (left) foot., thus the change of direction.
Manuel
www.tango-rio.com
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From: Silke Engesser Subject: Re: Change of direction
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jonny Lapongo wrote:
>
> > Does any one knows what this change of direction means.
> > I got the term from the TangoUSA letter about Fabian Salas.
> >
> > Alberto
> >
> I think it means you make a turn of about 180 degrees, the man is the
> walking backwards and the woman is walking forward.
>
> SILKE
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:50:18 EDT
From: Victor Crichton <victor_vsc @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Change of direction
>
>On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jonny Lapongo wrote:
>
> > Does any one knows what this change of direction means.
> > I got the term from the TangoUSA letter about Fabian Salas.
> >
> > Alberto
> >
>I think it means you make a turn of about 180 degrees, the man is the
>walking backwards and the woman is walking forward.
>
>SILKE
Silk, the 180 degree turn that you refer to is generally called a 'cambio de
frente' or 'change of front'. I believe that the change of direction that
Alberto is asking about is what many of the teachers of the 'new Tango' of
'liquid Tango' refer to as a 'change of direction of the turn'. It is a
little bit difficult to get a clear picture of this from a written
description but I will try to give you an example.
Though there are many possible combinations that can be developed from any
particular step, when performing certain movements some specific
combinations are more generally used than others. When the lady is doing a
grapevine, to her right, around the man who is rotating to his left, after
the lady's forward step on her left foot she will have two very common next
steps. One, to continue the grapevine to her right with a side step with
her right foot. Two, to turn around and step forward on her right foot
(like a forward ocho) to possibly begin a grapevine to her left.
A less common next step would be for the man to step around her and rotate
her on her axis to her right and lead her to take a back step on her right
foot most likely continuing into the grapevine to her left. She has gone
from forward-left to back-right while making rotating to her right.
The same thing can, of course, be done in the other direction on the
opposite foot. A similar 'change of direction of the turn' can also be
performed on the lady's back or side steps in either direction.
As I said, this is a little hard to picture if you are not familiar with it.
If you are interested in this type of movement I would suggest you attend
a workshop by Gustavo Naveira, Fabian Salas, Cecilia Gonzalez, Chicho,
Luciana Valle, or Gabriel Guerberoff. These are teachers that I know of who
teach this style, I'm sure there are many others as well. You can also look
further into this style on some videos. In Daniel Trenner's new catalog
there are five new videos by Gustavo Naveira and two by Chicho. I have not
seen them yet but by the written description they both contain this
material. There is also a video by Gabriel Guerberoff and Luciana Valle
from last year that covers this material.
I personally like this style of dancing because it really has a nice flow
and opens you up to lot of new possibilities that you may not have
previously considered. However, it is quite challenging and is not
something that you will look at briefly and immediately master. It takes
some familiarity by both the man and the woman before it will feel
comfortable.
I have no financial interest in any of the above mentioned teacher's or in
Daniel Trenner's catalog.
Victor Crichton
Tampa Bay, Florida
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:12:09 -0400
From: Matej Oresic <matej.oresic @CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Tango Argentino on Broadway
Hello,
here are few more details, which I guess are still at the level of
rumors, about Tango Argentino coming again after many years back to
Broadway.
The agency organizing the show is Walt Disney Ent., and the show will be
in the new Walt Disney Theatre on Broadway. The show is directed by
Claudio Segovia. The show will start for a week in BsAs and come to
Broadway in early November.
The music will be by Sexteto Tango with three singers (I belive) from
original show in 80s.
Dancers will be Juan Carlos Copes & Maria Nieves as well as Juan Carols
Copes & Johana Copes.
Nelida & Nelson
Mayoral & Elsa Maria
Pablo Veron & Guillermina (!!)
and possibly Gloria&Eduardo
... haven't hear of any more dancers.
This looks like a real tango-blast...
Best,
Matej
http://lancelot.bio.cornell.edu/matej/tango/
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:58:03 -0400
From: Christina Burtis <Cburtis @IFC.ORG>
Subject: Re: Argentine Flirting
Dear Tom,
Please do not ever give up your "art". Tango & piropos..... ;) ;) ;)
Christina Burtis
(Melenita de Oro)
Washington D.C.
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:02:18 EDT
From: Candy Korman <Milonga @AOL.COM>
Subject: new years tango
FYI: Tango dancers who want to come to New York for New Years
Lucille (who does Hit and Run Tango in Central Park, etc.) is organzing a big
Milonga for New Year's eve. I don't know much about it yet but she just told
me they'll be a web site soon. There's no Countdown Tango festival (like
last year with workshops, etc.) but at least there's a party for those of us
who want to be in New York but not Times Square. If anyone is interested in
learning more, you can e-mail me and I'll make sure that Lucille knows you're
curious about the plans.
milonga @aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:41:34 -0700
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Eva=20Swingo?= <eva_swingo @YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Change of direction
Hello!
For change of directions I have heard Spanish names like:
Alternadas, Cambio de frente,
said to be importent in the so called "New Tango".
Hope this is of any help.
Eva Swingo,
Stockholm, Sweden
> Datum: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:28:06 EDT
> Fren: Jonny Lapongo <s6s6s6 @HOTMAIL.COM>
> Dmne: Change of direction
>
> Does any one knows what this change of direction means.
> I got the term from the TangoUSA letter about Fabian Salas.
>
> Alberto
>
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