Tango-L mailing list archive: Digest 18 Sep 1999 to 19 Sep 1999

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Digest from 18 Sep 1999 to 19 Sep 1999

Return-Path: owner-TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango To: Recipients of TANGO-L digests <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:00:04 -0400 Sender: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango From: Automatic digest processor <LISTSERV @MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Subject: TANGO-L Digest - 18 Sep 1999 to 19 Sep 1999 (#1999-10)

There are 6 messages totalling 290 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Tango Congresses (2) 2. AT World Championships (2) 3. tango in italy 4. TOSCA La Furia del Tango

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:45:02 +0800 From: Juan Rando <juan @STARWON.COM.AU> Subject: Tango Congresses Hi all, I'm planning on taking in the International Tango Congress next year (March 12-19), and was wondering if anywhere else in the world, there was another good congress around the same time, so I could take another in at the same time. Thanx Juan Rando

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:51:29 -0400 From: Carlos Garces <carlosg @MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: Re: AT World Championships Thanks for your feedback Manuel. It is clear we disagree on the need to hide one's identity in tango-l. I think Steve de Tejas answered the main issue on technical and artistic standards brought up by aisstilla.yahoo.com better than I could have done it. Others have also brought up some interesting observations. Even though Argentine Tango is not contained in a syllabus like that in other forms of dancing like Ballroom, I think Argentine Tango can still be judged and details like artistic interpretation and quality of movement would be at the top of the list of things a judge should be looking for. I'm not an expert in AT, but I'm sure there are many people within the AT community in BsAs and maybe elsewhere that could list 'principles' that significantly illustrate and characterize Argentine Tango without them being considered part of a syllabus. Who are the authorities to judge such an event? Well my expectation would be that those accepting the task would have a recognized background in Argentine Tango. I don't think one will ever be entirely happy with all those selected, but I would hope they would include a diverse group of dancers not all having the same dancing style. In the case of the IDO Professional AT Championship, we may never find the mayority of those judging this event to be qualified. Not because we don't have qualified judges, but because it may be financially unacceptable for the event organizers. This will not give the IDO competition much credibility among AT enthusiasts, but, doesn't exclude it from happening. Should the event have been carried out without qualified judges, no. Was it bad for Argentine Tango, I don't think so. My previous email tried to address why it was not bad for AT, but I will add if I didn't already say it that this event provided a forum to introduce another 'example' of dancing to a group of people that may have thought that ballroom was the only correct form of dancing. For those afraid that Ballroom dancers will destroy AT, don't worry. I happened to see last week on ESPN what I think was a DanceSport Invitational in Boston. Argentine tango has nothing to be afraid of the ballroom tango I saw. At 08:49 AM 9/16/99 +0100, you wrote: >HI Carlos, > >Please go ahead and reply to aisstilla @yahoo.com's issues. It does not >matter at all what the identity of the poster is. I really don't care if you >are who you say either. I'm interested in the free exchange of ideas. I'm >very interested in this topic about "> >1) Technical and Artistic Standards >> >2) Authorities (Judges)" >as it pertains to AT dancing. Specifically as it refers to the judging of >the quality of a dance or dancers. > >I think too much is made of the use of pseudonyms in the list. Personally I >find insults and taunts distasteful regardless of true identity of the >poster. Same goes for cogent, interesting and provocative opinions. I really >do not care who signs the post. I judge the contents and not the signature. >Unfortunately, I'll probably never get to meet more than a fraction of the >listers in person so a pseudonym is as good as a real name anyway. > >I would like to encourage Carlos and everyone else to continue to post and >express their thoughts to the list. This is the purpose of the list, to >provide a forum for the exchange of ideas and opinions about AT. Let's keep >the list lively and entertaining. Please go ahead and share your thoughts. >I'm sure that many others want to read about them too. > >Cheers, > > >Manuel >www.tango-rio.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carlos Garces <carlosg @MINDSPRING.COM> > >> Not sure who is missing the point, but given aisstilla @yahoo.com's >previous >> emails on the AT Professional Championships and my overall disagreement on >> "aisstilla's" point of view, I'll assume I'm missing the point. >> >> >A championship presupposes two things which AT does >> >not have or prefer not to have: >> >1) Technical and Artistic Standards >> >2) Authorities (Judges) >> >> Two important issues. I have a problem, though, addressing tango-l email >> from somebody who prefers to use the tango-l option to remain anonymous is >> not in my realm of responding to. If he/she wishes to discuss this >subject >> any further by identifying themselves on/off the tango-l list I'll be >> willing to reply to their issues. > >.

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:59:37 -0700 From: phyllis victory <victory @MARS.ARK.COM> Subject: tango in italy hi list. i will be in italy at the end of october. any suggestions for great teachers, classes, milongas or just anyone who might love to dance on the beach? ciao, phyllis victory Make the impossible possible, the possible easy, and the easy elegant. - - - Moshe Feldenkrais

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:45:30 -0700 From: Manuel Patino <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: AT World Championships Hi Carlos and fellow listers, >. Even though > Argentine Tango is not contained in a syllabus like that in other forms of > dancing like Ballroom, I think Argentine Tango can still be judged and > details like artistic interpretation and quality of movement would be at > the top of the list of things a judge should be looking for. Thank you Carlos for taking the time to explicate your thoughts. You are right in that we disagree about the use of pseudonyms in the tango-l but I agree with your position on judging tango dancing and dancers as well as your thougts on the IDO championships, etc. > Should the event have been carried out without qualified judges, no. Was it > bad > for Argentine Tango, I don't think so. My previous email tried to address > why it was not bad for AT, but I will add if I didn't already say it that > this event provided a forum to introduce another 'example' of dancing to a > group of people that may have thought that ballroom was the only correct > form of dancing. Again, I am glad that you chose to post your thoughts. Not only because they are in agreement with my own beliefs but because they were well expressed and show that there are other tango lovers who see things from a similar perspective. It seems that for quite some time only the voices of those who condemn *any* sort of judging of the tango dance have been heard. Of course, this does not mean that they are wrong because they feel this way, but it definitely means that the concept of *best tango dancers* is quite appropriate and that standards of tango excellence can definitely be arrived at. Beautiful tangos to all, Manuel

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:52:32 -0700 From: Manuel Patino <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: Tango Congresses Hi Juan, You might want to take a look in http://personales.mundivia.es/mperelli/index.htm which is an address to the Tangoneon magazine. This web site is quite good and last time I visited it it provided information about a number of international tango events including their schedules. I don't remember the details but I'm sure that you (and anyone else for that matter) will quickly find the information and enjoy looking through that site. Regards, Manuel

Original Message ----- From: Juan Rando <juan @STARWON.COM.AU> To: <TANGO-L @mitvma.mit.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 6:45 AM Subject: Tango Congresses > Hi all, > > I'm planning on taking in the International Tango Congress next year > (March 12-19), and was wondering if anywhere else in the world, there > was another good congress around the same time, so I could take another > in at the same time. > > Thanx > > Juan Rando >

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:54:00 -0700 From: Stuart Schmukler <schmuklers @ACM.ORG> Subject: Re: TOSCA La Furia del Tango I agree TOSCA is a cool nevuo tango band. After hearing them I had to get their two CD's and I think there is a new one coming in October. From: Cherie Magnus <MACFroggy @AOL.COM> >my impressions of the TOSCA tango orchestra from Austin, Texas, that I heard >live at the Viper Room in L.A. a couple of weeks ago. I went to see them at Cafe Du Nord in San Francisco, I agree they are great!!! I got to dance with a few people around the small floor. There wheren't many tangueros in the room. >The only tango aficianados in attendance were myself and two friends, but >everyone had a good time due to the fantastic music. (Unfortunately, no >dancing was possible.) I think I had the some of best dances I have ever had. I am not sure why, some of the dances could have been considered undanceable, so there was nothing to lose. We just danced and forgot about the the world -- for the most part. SaS > >P.S. Their album cover says, "no bar code, no e-mail, no website," but their >address is 1905 Goodrich, Austin, TX 78704, in case anyone wants to get in >touch with them. > >P.P.S. >Does anyone think I have any financial interest? You've got to be kidding! I >wish I did!! > P.P.P.S: No financial interest from mel, Stuart Schmukler either.

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