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There are 9 messages totalling 307 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Tango events during the Rosas tour through the US?
2. ARGENTINE TANGO CHAMPION
3. Knee Leads
4. letras de tango (2)
5. Looking for Tango in Denver 9/28 - 10/1
6. LEADS
7. Amsterdam milonga, change of adress, just once
8. Rome Italy?
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:10:11 +0200
From: Alexis Cousein <al @BRUSSELS.SGI.COM>
Subject: Tango events during the Rosas tour through the US?
The whole month of October 1999 we will be touring with the contemporary
dance company Rosas through Canada and the USA. We would like to be
informed about tango events during this period in the following cities:=20
Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Chicago, Burlington, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis,
Seattle, Columbus.
Please mail us your events info, calendar and website addresses to:
marisa.vanandel @rosas.be.
Thank you very much in advance
Regards,
Marisa & Oliver from Brussels
Al comp=E1s del coraz=F3n
Marisa van Andel & Oliver Koch
av. Van Volxemlaan 157, 1190 Brussels, Belgium
phone/fax: 32 2 345 68 91
http://move.to/alcompas
e-mail: marisa.vanandel @rosas.be=20
--=20
<standard disclaimer: these are my personal views, not SGI's>
Alexis Cousein al @brussels.sgi.com=09
Systems Engineer SGI Belgium
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:21:48 -0600
From: Wayne R Williams <WAYNE_WILLIAMS @HP-LOVELAND-OM2.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: ARGENTINE TANGO CHAMPION
imho the essence and quality of the tango is what transpires between
the two people engaged in a given dance.
the idea of an external observer (judge) passing judgment on the
relative quality of a dance to determine who is the "championship
couple" is the height of absurdity and absolutely contrary to the
spirit of the dance. much of what transpires which adds to the
richness and quality of the dance is invisible to the outside
observer.
this is not intended as a negative assessment of stage dancing which
is it's own category - an attempt to convey the beauty and energy of
the dance to observers (non dancers and dancers alike). stage dancing
is not about who is "best".
my optimistic hope is that people true to the spirit of the dance will
not allow it to be corrupted with all of the attendant dynamics
associated with competition. i know - i feel like i'm riding my high
horse but i feel passionate about this one.
for example one of the detrimental effects of competition is that it
tends to drive a normative definition of how the dance is executed so
that it can be objectively measured / judged.
our dance is improvisational - part of the beauty of that is it
allows us to develop our own personality in the dance, our own
interpretation / style within the tango forms.
if argentine tango were to be judged it seems that the only thing
that judges could key in on is the degree of complexity of the
figures - anyone ready for a triple axle (sic?) toss of the women in
the air and as she lands she executes a followers sacada of the
lead... complexity has it's place - but not at the expense of
connection, again the heart of this dance.
on the other hand..... people will do with the dance what they will so i
imagine the best that we can do is to stay true to our own values in this
or any other endeavor.
i also confess that i do not have the personal experience of competition in
a dance form - i'd love to hear from somebody that does to see if i am
being unduly harsh.
okay i've ranted and now i feel better - thanks for indulging me..
wayne williams
boulder colorado
>The main marketing tool of this company seems to be - LEARN TO DANCE
>WITH THE CHAMPIONS - ; so I would not be surprised if the new WORLD
>PROFESSIONAL ARGENTINE TANGO CHAMPION WERE somebody related to this
>very successful and efficient company.
>Those that had the chance to see the tapes of THE CHAMPIONS, know
>that most
>of them are very good, but others are very bad.
>Instructors of other organizations have been selling tapes
>supposedly on Argentine Tango, that were on American or
>International Tango. Big Money is entering the Argentine Tango
>floor.
thanks for the investigative reporting sergio...
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:44:28 +0800
From: Juan Rando <juan @STARWON.COM.AU>
Subject: Knee Leads
There is a contradiction (in my opinion) in the concept of tango being a
sensuous, intimate dance, and seeing men forcing a lady's leg from under
her. This is particularly evident when observing the various types and
"sacadas" that are performed. I agree absolutely that these are only
illusions. At worst there should only be a slight contact of the
thigh. In fact, personally I've renamed certain types of sacadas such as
the type that inspired this conversation , too "boleos", as the lead for a
"front boleo" is almost the same, and certainly feels similar enough (when
not made to happen physically, by bumping the lady with a leg.) to the lead
for this figure.
I've often wondered how leading by pushing with the leg ever entered in to
such a beautiful dance. Or has this brutishness come about by there being
too many people "observing" Tango without taking enough time to learn it?
Until I was taught to lead sacadas properly, I almost gave up on them, as I
found them to be too interruptive to the flow and gentleness of tango. Now
I find that they greatly enhance the experience.
Juan Rando
Perth, Western Australia
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:51:37 +0200
From: susanna meurer <s.meurer @TISCALINET.IT>
Subject: letras de tango
I tried the website "Letras de tango" lately, but it seems to be down.
Does anybody have another adress for tango lyrics?
Thank you, Susanna.
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:09:33 -0600
From: Paul Akmajian <pakmajian @SALUD.UNM.EDU>
Subject: Looking for Tango in Denver 9/28 - 10/1
I'll be in Denver at the end of Sept. (9/28 - 10/1) and was wondering if =
there were going to be any workshops or milongas.
Thanks.
Paul
Albuquerque, NM
pakmajian @salud.unm.edu
Paul Akmajian
Phone: 505/272-8717
Fax: 505/272-8060
Paul Akmajian
Phone: 505/272-8717
Fax: 505/272-8060
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:14:11 -0400
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: LEADS
JUAN RANDO - WESTERN AUSTRALIA - WROTE:
>There is a contradiction (in my opinion) in the concept of tango being a
>sensuous, intimate dance, and seeing men forcing a lady's leg from under
>her. This is particularly evident when observing the various types and
>"sacadas" that are performed. I agree absolutely that these are only
>illusions. At worst there should only be a slight contact of the
>thigh. In fact, personally I've renamed certain types of sacadas such as
>the type that inspired this conversation , too "boleos", as the lead for a
>"front boleo" is almost the same, and certainly feels similar enough (when
>not made to happen physically, by bumping the lady with a leg.) to the lead
>for this figure.>I've often wondered how leading by pushing with the leg
ever entered in to
>such a beautiful dance. Or has this brutishness come about by there being
>too many people "observing" Tango without taking enough time to learn it?
>Until I was taught to lead sacadas properly, I almost gave up on them, as I
>found them to be too interruptive to the flow and gentleness of tango. Now
>I find that they greatly enhance the experience.
>Juan Rando
>Perth, Western Australia
I agree with Juan, in the sense that the discussion in great part originates
in misunderstandings and use of the wrong terminology. -KNEE LEAD- IS A NAME
INVENTED, it does not exist in the A.T. terminology. The lead or MARCA, has
different stages of complexity; the leader transmits his ideas to the
follower by the gentle use of his body, his chest, his arms and his legs.
The more skilled the leader the gentler the lead becomes, eventually it
seems to be a case of parapsycological thought transmission.
People should try to avoid putting their own names to moves or figures
because that would lead to a condition of terminology anarchy similar to
what happens in certain areas of chemistry for instance; where the same
product used for engine combustion in cars, is called in different countries
by names such as: gasoline, naphtha, bencine, etc, and what is called
bencine in one is called naphtha in another. It is best if we all take the
time to learn the right names, so that we can have a common language when it
comes to TANGO. The problem comes when not even the teacher knows the proper
name for the move it is being taught. Good luck, anyways.
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:06:19 +0200
From: Marco van Zanden <argtango @EURONET.NL>
Subject: Amsterdam milonga, change of adress, just once
Dear list,
Luna de Tango, the weekly milonga on mondays in Royal Cafe De Kroon in
Amsterdam, the Netherlands, has changed place. JUST ONE TIME,
september 13th.
Next monday our milonga starts at 9 PM in CMA, Beijersweg 28 in
Amsterdam
This can be reached from the central station by tram 9, stop
Pretoriusstraat. (about 15 minutes)
We hope to see you there.
The week afterwards, september 20th, we celebrate our 2nd anniversary
at our regular spot Cafe de Kroon, at Rembrandtplein in Amsterdam
for more information
mail me, call me (#31 (0)20 - 68 38 117) or look at the Amsterdam
tango Agenda, http://www.xs4all.nl/~disegno/tango/amsterda.html
Marco van Zanden
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:57:39 -0700
From: AisA <aisstilla @YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Rome Italy?
I am planning to be in Rome end of September.
Can anyone suggest places to stay and/or milongas
still active - it sounds like during summer most
activities are suspended ?
Thanks a lot
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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:54:43 -0700
From: ramiro garcia <ramiro9 @YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: letras de tango
Try:
http://arcadia.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/rec/argentina/tangos/index.html
ramiro
--- susanna meurer <s.meurer @TISCALINET.IT> wrote:
> I tried the website "Letras de tango" lately, but it
> seems to be down.
> Does anybody have another adress for tango lyrics?
> Thank you, Susanna.
>
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