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There are 16 messages totalling 640 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Tango CD's
2. Status of Jacques Dermar
3. Tango in Madrid ? (2)
4. short notice invitation
5. Tango along PCH
6. Knee lead
7. Swango
8. Tango in Ecuador
9. Respect for particular teachers' dancing abilities
10. IDO World Argentine Tango Championships
11. Tango Tours
12. KNEE LEAD
13. PUTTING WEIGHT ON YOUR PARTNER
14. TANGO-L Digest - 25 Aug 1999 to 26 Aug 1999
15. Tango Rueda, Swango, now merlonga
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:27:27 +0300
From: Ali ISIKLI <AIsikli @HC.ASELSAN.COM.TR>
Subject: Tango CD's
Are there any Tango related (both shoe and music cd) stores in New York -
New Jersey area?
Best Regards
Ali ISIKLI
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:19:42 -0700
From: AlbertoPaz <tangoman @HOOKED.NET>
Subject: Status of Jacques Dermar
To the friends of Jacques and Amada Dermar in Northern California and
perhaps somewhere else not local to the Bay Area,
Saturday night Jacques became ill at the milonga and he had to transported
to the Kaiser Permanente Hospital, 2425 Geary St. at St. Joseph Blvd. in San
Francisco.
We've been keeping track of his situation and at this point it is critical.
He is breathing on his own and has a pulse but he is unconscious.
Jacques is one the most passionate lovers of Argentine Tango and we are all
praying to have him back raising hell at the Bay Area dance floors.
Last night, Steve and Jo Anne Palubinskas, the hosts of the Broadway Studio
milonga, had get well cards available for everybody to sign up. They'll be
sent today.
The ICU desk at the hospital can be reached at this number, 415.202.3076
The address for Jacques and Amada Dermar is, 153 Cook Street, #201 San
Francisco CA 94118
Please feel free to act accordingly, and also feel free to call us at,
408.720.9506
Tnagazos,
Alberto Paz
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:03:26 -0400
From: Jacques Gauthier <salsa-m @LYCOSMAIL.COM>
Subject: Tango in Madrid ?
Hello,
I am looking for some info in regards to Argentina
Tango in Madrid Spain,
Also, if someone could tell me how to say:
"May I have this dance" in Spanish I'd appreciate.
(Just in case the ol' invite with the eyes technique
dosen't work)
Jacques
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:48:07 +0100
From: white95r <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango in Madrid ?
Original Message ----- >
> I am looking for some info in regards to Argentina
> Tango in Madrid Spain,
Hi Jacques,
I hope you have a great time in Spain. I found this great web site
http://personales.mundivia.es/mperelli/ which takes you to the Tangoneon
website. Lots of good info in spanish and english too.
> Also, if someone could tell me how to say:
> "May I have this dance" in Spanish I'd appreciate.
> (Just in case the ol' invite with the eyes technique
> dosen't work)
You could try: "quiere bailar conmigo?" If that does not work try English,
it might just work anyway ;-)
Manuel
www.tango-rio.com
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:28:31 -0600
From: "Frank G. Williams" <frank @INDY.BSBE.UMN.EDU>
Subject: short notice invitation
Greetings friends,
This is directed to my fellow tango workshop organizers around the USA.
I am writing on behalf of Hernan Obispo, my friend and mentor in tango.
Hernan visited Minneapolis in July and knocked the socks off of the local
tango scene with his tremendously insightful and direct teachings into
the techniques and codes of tango. We had planned to invite Hernan to
return in the spring and currently have another teacher engaged while he
and his partner tour Europe. Now, how quickly things can change!
Hernan and Mariana Fresno have been invited to the west coast and, to justify
the travel expense from Europe, would like to find one or two more cities in
which to teach. Hey fellow organizers - this guy is a treat! Please contact
me if you would like Hernan's and Mariana's Curriculum Vitae. If you can and
would like to bring them in to your community around the end of this month,
please reply ASAP to:
in Spanish: hernan_obispo @hotmail.com
in English (me): frank @indy.bsbe.umn.edu
In addition, Hernan and Mariana are planning a US tour for spring '00 and
they have asked me to help coordinate for them. Even if you can't have them
visit now, please consider whether a visit in March - June would work for your
comminity. If so, give me a shout.
On my end, this is strictly a 'no financial interest' act of friendship.
Finally, if I weren't so gosh-darn busy, I would like to set up two internet
tango organizer's rescources with - in calendar format - a) weekend and "larger"
tango seminars/workshops, and b) itineraries for traveling teachers. This is
information that is important for success of the larger events, and it would
be good to know WAY IN ADVANCE what's planned and where. I would like to hear
from any other readers who agree on the value of such a rescource and get your
suggestions on the best way to run it (ie. as automatically as possible)
...and naturally, volunteers to administer it would be saints...
Work beckons - warm tangos to all!
Frank
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(612) 625-6441 (office) 312 Church Street SE
(612) 624-4436 (lab) Minneapolis, MN 55455
(612) 281-3860 (cellular/home)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:47:27 -0400
From: Melinda Bates <tangerauna @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Tango along PCH
Hello listeros,
Can anyone offer information about tango in Carmel on Mondays, San
Simeon/Cambria on Tues/Wed and Santa Barbara on Thursdays? I checked the
appropriate California tango sites, but find nothing for these smaller
places. It would make our trip down the Pacific Coast Highway even more
memorable if we could dance each evening.....
Thanks!
Melinda
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:14:22 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: Knee lead
I a little confused, or would just like a little clarification on a certain
lead performed by the man that will either put the lady back on the foot the
man desires or it will also make the lady amagy (I think that's spelled
right).
The man could be walking forward, the lady back, when the mans knee will
slightly bump, touch, or exert pressure, on the ladies leg, and direct the
ladies leg in the direction the man want the leg to go.
But I've also used this lead to make the lady amagy (front kick her self, a
foot imbelshment)
Can someone please clarify what the difference between the two knee leads are
so maybe when I perform them on a lady she will know better, what I want her
to do.
Tim Pogros (TimmyTango)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 10:50:14 -0700
From: Eva Swingo <eva_swingo @YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Swango
Hi, List!
Swango, sounds like "Swingo", a combination of Swing (Lindy Hop) and
Argentine Tango, emerged at Herrang Dance Camp, north of Stockholm,
Sweden, the Meccka of Swing in particular and AT and other dances in
general, crowded with people from all over the world 4 weeks every
summer, since 17 years back. Herrang started the era of big dance
camps I have been told.
Swingo is a demanding dance, because you have to be advanced in both
Lindy Hop and AT to be able to combine these two at the surface very
different dances. But what they have in common is the close
connection with the music, i.e. improvising according to the music in
the air in every moment, interpreting the music as personal as
possible, showing yourself and your feelings towards it, in just as
close a connection with your partner, trying to create something
unique together.
Swingo is danced mainly to slow swing music, Blues, and such.
AT is of course inseparably combined with the Argentine Tango Music,
without which it would not be the same. But we who love AT, the close
connection within the couple, sensual and meditative, the movements,
the creative aspects, we have difficulty not letting it flirt with
other musics. Any Sensual music invites AT to come and visit.
Any couple who marries knows that they need to keep their own
individual life as well. He and She will never blend completely.
If there is an offspring, you never know! It may have resemblances
with one or two of the parents, or even revolt against them!
A new generation? How exciting!
Eva Swingo Akerlund
Sweden
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:36:07 -0400
From: Jeffrey Blustein <blustein @AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject: Tango in Ecuador
We will be in Ecuador from Sept. 21 to Oct. 5th. Does anybody know if
there is any Tango dancing there? We will be in Quito and the environs,
and perhaps a bit to the south of Quito. Thanks in advance for any info.
Jeff and Beverly
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:41:32 -0400
From: Jorge Navarro <jorge @XMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Respect for particular teachers' dancing abilities
Unfortunately, the end of my previous message was cut off for some strange reason, so I will try to finish it here. Please do not consider this to be an attempt to monopolize the list or to get the last word.
There are a few argentine teachers who left Buenos Aires to reside in the USA or other countries. They can make more money there because of lack of qualified competition and the students usually don't know enough about the Tango to effectively judge their level of expertise. These teachers are extremely good in self-promotion and people's skills (read it as "kissing one's behind").
If you like teachers who kiss up to you and dance down to your level, then be happy! The students who want to improve to be the best tango dancers that they can be, will find teachers who are first and foremost are respected by their students and peers in Buenos Aires, and then by their students in other cities of the world.
Regards,
Jorge.
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:16:09 EDT
From: Randy Pittman <MailAlive @AOL.COM>
Subject: IDO World Argentine Tango Championships
Hola Fellow Tangoeros &Tangueras
This is an update on the IDO World Professional Argentine Tango Championships.
Thursday, September 9, 1999, at the Fontainebleau Hilton Resort Miami Beach.
The Tango portion will take place between 7 PM - 9 PM, there are many other
competitions all week long. For complete information visit
www.americanballroom.com.
Tickets are available thru:
American ballroom Company, Inc.
PO Box 453605
Miami, Florida
USA 33245-3605
Tel: (305) 442-1288
Fax: (305) 1490
www.americanballroom.com
I have no financial interest on the above stated. I do have a genuine
interest in seeing that the right people are in this event. When I learned
there was going to be a World Professional Argentine Tango competition with
as many as 45 countries participating, I did my best to bring the real
American Argentine Tango representatives. We did that with our USTC Tango
Fantasy on Miami Beach. It was promoted on TANGO-L and many other Tango
venues, those who wished to, participate did.
I contacted the head of the IDO organization, and found out there were no
countries from South America entered in the event. Why was Argentina not
invited to a event like this? With little time we were able to secure
Argentina's' participation. It was offered to several that will be left
unnamed, but the ones that will represent Argentina will be Fernanda Ghi and
Guillermo Merlo.
I have no financial interest in this.
Before the Worlds Professional Argentina Tango Championships, Fabian Salas
and Metin Yazir will be in Miami, featuring a week-long set of intensive
workshops. Friday 9/3/99 - 7:30 PM to 9:00 PM group class at Roberto's,
Knights of Columbus Hall, with Roberto's Milonga afterwards. Saturday 9/4/99
starting at 5:30 PM to 9:00 PM two workshops, at the Polish American Club,
with Randy and Lydia's Milonga to follow. This begins a great week of Tango
in Miami for more information on the complete week-long set of workshops call
(305) 279-6162 (305) 891-1659 (305) 667-5508 (305) 865-0908. The people
organizing, are volunteering their time and will pay as everybody else for
the classes they attend.
Labor Day Weekend: The Argentine Tango Review Show with the Armando Calo
Orchestra, will be playing at the Jackie Gleason Theater on Miami Beach. Mr.
Calo will be featuring the music that he has composed thru the years. There
will be four performances only: Friday and Saturday evenings and Sunday
matinee and evening shows.
After the Saturday night performance. Armando Calo and his complete 10 piece
orchestra will play for a real Argentinean style Milonga starting at 11:00 PM
going all night long till 5:00 am. Included is an Argentine buffet-dinner
and a night you will always remember. I am turning over my regular Saturday
Milonga to the promoters and organizers of the Argentine Tango Show Review.
This event will be at the Polish American Club 1250 NW 22 Ave. It is a large
building with a 2000sq. ft. wood floor. Admission for the Buffet-Milonga is
$30.00. For information on the Milonga call 305-892-8612 of 305-274-2705.
Now available: the video of the USTC 1999 Tango Fantasy on Miami Beach. This
Video has the US Qualifying Tango Championships that was held Friday 5/28/99.
Included are classes by Juan Carlos Copes & Johana, Osvaldo Zotto & Lorena
Ermocida, Fabian Salas & Lucia Mazer and Fernanda Ghi & Guillermo Merlo.
There are also highlights from the Sataurday Masters of Tango Show.
We still have available the 1997 and 1998 videos. All three years have great
material in them.
1997 Included "Los Dinzels," Osvaldo Zotto & Cecilia, Armando and Daniela,
Fabian Salas & Lorena Ermocida. The USTC show pof the local professionals
and Highlights of the Masters.
1998 with "Los Dinzels," Osvaldo Zotto & Lorena, Gachi & Sergio, and Natialia
and Gabriel, The USTC Show with Tango enthusiasts from around the world
joining in a 45 minute cafe style show.
1999 Video $50.00 + 4.00 Shipping & Handling
1998 Video (2 Tapes) $70.00 + 6.00 Shipping & Handling
1997 $50.00 + 4.00 Shipping & Handling
To order call Lydia Henson at 305-274-2705.
The next two weeks in Miami will be exciting enough to take an emergency
vacation if you can.
We do have a financial interest in the USTC videos.
Tango Forever
Randy Pittman
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:19:43 -0500
From: Raul Martinez <raulmart @MACOL.NET>
Subject: Tango Tours
I'll appreciate any information members of the list may be able to
provide about tango tours of Buenos Aires. I'm looking for the names of
the tour operators and also an evaluation of the quality of the tour.
I know, for example, that Daniel Trenner offers such a tour. But I know
nothing else about it except the information from Trenner's website. I
know of no other tours.
Thanks.
Raul Martinez
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:06:17 -0400
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: KNEE LEAD
TIM POGROS WROTE:
>The man could be walking forward, the lady back, when the mans knee will
>slightly bump, touch, or exert pressure, on the ladies leg, and direct the
>ladies leg in the direction the man want the leg to go.
>But I've also used this lead to make the lady amagy (front kick her self, a
>foot imbelshment)
>Can someone please clarify what the difference between the two knee leads
are
>so maybe when I perform them on a lady she will know better, what I want
her
>to do.
YOU MAY APPLY a light pressure with your thigh to the thigh of the lady to
lead an AMAGUE (THE LADY HOOKS HER OWN LEG);
( of course there are other ways to lead an AMAGUE ).
The same move may also lead the lady to lock the foot that was pushed in
front of the other foot; in this case the lady
changes her weight to the front foot and performs the next step with the
back foot.(as if she were in step #5 of the base).
The difference in the lead is very subtle, a short, very limited in time,
pressure causes an AMAGUE; A SOMEWHAT LONGER pressure will cause the locking
in front.
This lead is used for other purposes also, such as to change the direction
of the usual foot work in the follower.
When utilized should be very light to the point that it is ONLY noticed by
the lady and remains unnoticed by the observer; it is best to apply pressure
with the thigh and not with the knee.
Hope that this might help.
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:29:01 EDT
From: Eis Madchen <EisMadchen @AOL.COM>
Subject: PUTTING WEIGHT ON YOUR PARTNER
In a message dated 8/31/99 10:45:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SERGIO @NCINTER.NET writes:
>
> SANDY SMITH WROTE:
>
> >As a woman who is constantly nagged
> >by my teacher to put more weight on my partner, it is indeed informative
to
> >discover that many men do not like to dance this way.
Yeah, but they're wimps. ;>
> > I also like to hear
> >other views on this and other matters.
>
> I think that one has to differentiate having a strong frame from putting
> weight on his partner.
> Frame refers to the posture of your body and your arms, they offer a
certain
> resistance, which facilitates the lead.
> Tango Salon requires that you keep your axis, and support your entire
weight
> without putting weight on your partner.
> This way you are light to dance with.
> One of the worse habits a lady can develop is to -put weight on her
partner-
> becoming heavy and tiring to dance with.
At the same time one has to differentiate between allowing your partner to
move you and holding you up from falling over. In all partner dancing it is
the woman's job to keep her feet under her and not topple over, but some
dances, such as the tango do require sudden changes in direction. The
question is who is responsible for accelerating the woman through these
changes.
If a woman is truly in balance, and truly following, her feet are almost
directly under her and it is impossible for her to accelerate herself. (You
must be leaning in order to move in a direction, and the faster the change in
direction the more you must lean. -- I do not mean bend over at the waist,
but have your supporting foot well out from under you. Like leaning against
a wall.)
Now there are three options 1) you don't do any truly sudden changes of
direction and the woman time to off-balance and move herself, 2) the woman
guesses or is signaled in advance to get her foot out for the sudden turn, or
3) the man uses considerable strength (depending on the mass of the woman) to
change her direction for her.
I think think that historically the tango is a very physical dance and the
drama and excitement of the dance come in no small part from the fact or
illusion of the man "throwing" the woman around. If the dance is to appear
sharp and dynamic it must appear that the third option is in play and the man
is moving the woman.
The reality may be different. In performance dancing where you have routines
the woman knows what's coming and can prepare for the sudden direction change
herself. This is in part what makes performance appear so dramatic. The
woman is "acting" and can greatly facilitate the man's apparent lead. In a
spontaneos dance, however, the man must at least initiate the direction
change himself. The physical force required to do this quickly can approach
a woman's full weight but is applied horizontally. The quicker the change
the more force is required. Needless to say, the man must brace himself for
this by kicking his own foot out a bit.
This is where either having a small woman or a strong man comes in handy. I
do not qualify as a small woman, so I can appreciate having a strong partner
who can literally snatch me in the middle of my stride into a different
direction. It is exciting. It is a great ride! For me, this is the true
tango. I am told it is fun for the man too -- by men, I admit, who think
that it is fun to toss around heavy objects. While it IS work for the man,
it is a burst of strength and not the same thing as dragging a constantly
off-balance or "hanging" woman around the floor.
Unfortunately as a tall woman, this narrows my selection of ideal partners to
tall, strong, athletic men who can dance -- football players who do ballet!
Fortunately there are some! (In fact, one in particular needs a new partner.
Oh, well.) For partners who are not into weight lifting, I need a different
strategy. Rather than making the dance "spongy", I try to anticipate
direction changes (by noticing that the man is bracing himself, or even
sometimes by an overt signal) so I can get my foot out far enough to
accomplish the quick direction change on my own. This however requires some
acting because you must not reveal in any other way that the turn is coming.
(It can also be a bit dangerous if the signals get crossed. I am told it is
a little like getting used to power brakes, or a self-propelled lawnmower --
such a flattering comparison! As I remember, it was by a partner who changed
his mind in mid step and got bulldozed by me. How embarrassing for both of
us. At least I did not chop up his foot! )
In short, when the teacher says "put more weight on your partner", she/he
means to allow your partner to move you, not that you should hang on him. To
the man it does feel like he is catching your weight in sudden turns, but he
is really just accellerating you horizontally. In a dip you see the vertical
analog, in that essentially none of your weight should be supported by the
man, but he should use some strength to get you back up. He needs power (or
power-steering) to move you but not to support you.
Giving your partner some of your "weight" helps both of you learn to dance,
and to dance together, because in the end, you must at least simulate that
weight (or really force) transfer. By allowing/forcing him to move you, you
will make him brace and align himself correctly to apply that force. Even if
eventually you have to help him out, he will look like he is in the right
position. If you both just do your own thing, it will look wrong because the
angles and body positions won't be there to give the illusion that he is
moving you. Dance is part illusion, but illusion is best achieved by some
experience in really doing it.
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:03:59 -0400
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:13:53 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: Tango Rueda, Swango, now merlonga
Lately on the L list I have been reading a lot about different take offs of
the tango.
Swango is the latest, putting tango to the swing or hip hop music.
Daniel Lapadula's Tango Rueda, where you dance tango to a square or circled
line dance, with several other couples.
Last May, Tioma (El Ruso) and Vivianna were here in Cleveland for a workshop,
and while they were just having fun dancing to Sammy DeLeons Orchestra
version of "Linda Eh," a snappy Merengue, they did a Milonga. I have to tell
you that apsolutely every person in the house stopped what they were doing
and all eyes were on this couple. Even the bartenders come out from behind
the bar just to watch. It was really a wonderful sight to see a couple just
having fun being admired by every person in the house, and Belinda's Bar is
not a small dance club. So now everytime I hear this snappy Merengue I enjoy
doing the milonga to it.
Tim Pogros (TimmyTango)
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