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There are 9 messages totalling 716 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Reply: Tango Professor Certifications
2. Mem teaching men (2)
3. ATOF retraction
4. Code and customs of Milongas in Buenos Aires
5. feminine leader
6. Tango Professor Certifications
7. Tango and Peaches
8. Tango and Peaches posting apology
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:25:14 -0400
From: Don Kelley <don.kelley @ATT.NET>
Subject: Reply: Tango Professor Certifications
Re: Tango Professor Certifications
Dear List,
SPBrown writes:
"Many of us are aware of some unscrupulous ballroom instructors who
pretend to teach Argentine tango--and in some cases have used
certification rules to prevent those who actually know Argentine tango
from teaching....
"But does the formal certification itself really mean very much? I do
not think so. For one thing, informal networks already provide a
substitute for formal certification. I have observed that informal
networks of dancers and professors in the tango community act very
much like certifications....
I must agree, and I adopt "laissez-faire". Argentine tango requires freedom
to apply itself as situations require by the local teacher/student
relationship, so "caveat emptor".
I state this because I have only enjoyed the best training and never have
been "burned" by Cleveland and Detroit instructors and those masters who
they brought in. In sum, though there no doubt is a place for certified A/T
instructors, having labored in a regulated industry, I feel that such talk
in so much swamp gas blown in from the ballroom environment. DMK.
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:41:40 -0600
From: tangostud <tangostud @MOST-WANTED.COM>
Subject: Re: Mem teaching men
TimmyTango writes: "I sometimes feel Daniel Trenner doesn't get the respect
he deserves. You might not like how he may do things, but who else promotes
tango like him."
In my opinion, there are very few men who want to dance like Trenner. His
style of dancing is too feminine. He is a good salesman and he has his
followers who like his way of teaching, but he could never, in my opinion,
make it in Buenos Aires as a professional teacher or a dancer.
But then again, I may be wrong. Just look at Ricardo and Nicole, and a
bunch of others, whose dancing is horrible, yet they are making a living
off the tango by being clever self-promoters.
Cheers,
Al.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:50:31 -0800
From: Manuel Patino <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: ATOF retraction
Hi Everybody,
The other day I posted a reference to ATOF and characterized
it as Alberto Paz's list.
Alberto has asked me for a public retraction because I've
characterized the ATOF incorrectly. I apologize for the
confusion and any hurt feelings or unintended slights that I
caused.
The following is Albertos message to me that explains in his
own words what ATOF is about:
Regards,
Manuel
____________________________________________________
Manuel,
I guess I appreciate the reference to the ATOF BUT I
will like you to make a claryfication about your
statement about "Alberto Paz has a list."
The ATOF is not MY list.
I, with the help of others, facilitated the creation
of an Argentine Tango open Forum.
It is innacurate and unfair to the members of ATOF to
characterize the group as being "mine."
I would like to see the retraction being made public
in the same context as you posted it inthe Tango-L.
Much apreciated,
Alberto
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:05:59 -0300
From: Janis Kenyon <jantango @FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
Subject: Code and customs of Milongas in Buenos Aires
I have lived in BsAs for nine months and dance at least five days a week in
the milongas. I want to share some observations that I have made during my
time in the milongas since my first visit in March 1996.
A man who comes to my table to invite me to dance verbally doesn't know how
to dance. I discreetly refuse his invitation. He never asks again. Good
dancers ask only with eye contact.
Men with whom I have danced regularly sometimes have to leave their table in
a large milonga to invite me. The invitation maybe with eye contact or
verbally; they know I will accept.
When a man invites a woman to dance, he finishes the tanda with her, no
matter how badly she dances.
If a woman is uncomfortable dancing with a man, she can tell him "gracias"
before the end of the tanda, and he will escort her to her table.
The woman indicates her interest in dancing with a man by making eye contact
with him; then, if he invites her with a gesture, she can accept with a nod.
She then waits for the man to approach her table before she stands and walks
onto the dance floor. Sometimes, he has actually invited the woman next to
her, and an awkward situation then can be avoided.
A woman never walks across the floor to meet her partner.
After the tanda, a man always escorts his partner to her table and thanks
her for the dance.
Conversation between dances is brief, and usually confined to comments such
as, do you like Pugliese, etc.?, this is a nice place; hace calor, muchas
gente, where are you from? how long will you be in BsAs? what is your name?
Todo bien?
A man never dances two consecutive tandas with the same partner unless they
are seated together at the same table. A man rarely invites a woman who is
seated with a man, and then only if he has seen her accepting invitations
with others in the milonga.
Women who do not learn to make eye contact in the milongas, do not dance.
Foreigners have to learn this technique quickly in order to dance.
Everyone dances in a closed embrace in the milongas because the floors are
crowded. The exception is couples who dance salon style on Saturday night
when there is more room to dance.
Men dance with certain women on a regular basis.
The "regulars" of every milonga have reserved tables.
The best dancers are always seated in the front row tables around the dance
floor. They are the ones to look at.
Singles do not go to dance on Saturday night--it is couples night in the
milongas.
Does anyone have anything to add?
Janis Kenyon
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:19:50 -0800
From: Jack Brondwin <jbrondwin @TELUS.NET>
Subject: feminine leader
Al writes: " In my opinion, there are very few men who want to dance
like Trenner. His style of dancing is too feminine. "
As a novice dancer I am fascinated that there are opinions that a style
could be characterised as a masculine lead or a feminine lead. Could you
elaborate on what you believe is the difference between one and the
other? How about an example of other well known dancers who you believe
exemplify a masculine or a feminine lead and what is it that you see in
their dancing that suggests to you the category that you placed them
in? Lastly, what is perceived as the essence of a masculine lead as
opposed to a feminine lead. My question is would both a man and a woman
come to the same conclusion about the dancer's style of leading ?
Any and all opinions welcome.
jb
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:47:29 -0800
From: Manuel Patino <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango Professor Certifications
Original Message -----
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
> But does the formal certification itself really mean
very much? I do
> not think so.
I agree with you on this Steve. As far as I know, the only
people who tout their certification and credentials are
Ballroom instructors. In my years of dancing tango I've
noticed that these ballroom instructors are generally not
involved in teaching A/T.
> For one thing, informal networks already provide a
> substitute for formal certification. I have observed
that informal
> networks of dancers and professors in the tango
community act very
> much like certifications.
True enough, the best credentials are those implied by the
popularity of the teacher(s) in question. I don't know if
the best known and best regarded A/T dancers and instructors
have any type of paper certificate to show regarding their
A/T credentials, but everybody knows that they ate tops!
> With some judgement, a willingness to ask others, and
> exposure to real Argentine tango, most of us are
completely able to
> judge whether a person can dance and teach real
tango.
Steve, you've hit the nail on the proverbial head. That is
really all anyone needs to decide whether or not to take
lessons from any particular teacher. Of course, one might
begin with one teacher and then move to others depending on
temperament and other reasons. Also, it won't take long
after exposure to real Argentine Tango for any serious
dancer to discover who can and cannot dance or teach.
Regards,
Manuel
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:19:17 -0500
From: John Daniel Waggoner <dwag @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango and Peaches
Charles Roques wrote:
>I'll be in the Atlanta GA area from 11/3 to 11/12 and would like to attend
>any milongas or workshops going on during that time.
We have our regular classes on Tuesday nights and often schedule informal
practicas on Friday nights.
Our friends Rick & Lynda <wrwils @mindspring.com> teach Monday nights
Manuel de Atlanta <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM> a frequent contributor to the list,
has his advanced classes on Thurs. and may have a milonga upcoming
So far this month Tangueros Atlanta's scheduled milongas are :
Saturday, 11/6 - Andre's Nuevo Milonga, (404) 638-6480 9pm til'
Sunday, 11/7 - Sanctuary Nightclub 8pm - 11 pm
Thursday, 11/11 - Linda & Karen's Milonga - Karma, $5.00 cover, 8:00 - 11:00
Saturday, 11/13 - Milonga location TBA - 9pm til'
Contact me when you arrive for specifics on any of these which interest you
404.371.2795 or check our website www.tango-atlanta.com
look forward to seeing you
Danny Waggoner
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>There are 8 messages totalling 381 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Trip to Buenos Aires (3)
> 2. more spice for the pot
> 3. Tandas, chatting, Argentine customs, insularity
> 4. Anonymous postings (2)
> 5. Tango and Peaches
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:11:09 EDT
>From: Victor Crichton <victor_vsc @HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Trip to Buenos Aires
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>*** Gina asked: ***
>
>>Could someone who went to CITA last March share their advice with those of
>>us going to CITA-2000?
>>
>>What is Club Espanol like for classes, milongas?
>>
>>What are various teachers like?!!!
>>
>>Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>>Muchas gracias,
>>Gina.
>
>*****************************
>
>Club Espanol is a beautiful old building that has three large ballrooms that
>are used for classes and some of the nightly milongas. All of the rooms
>have great floors.
>
>What really sets the building apart is all of the statues, carvings, and
>paintings throughout the many floors. The main ballroom has huge beautiful
>paintings on the walls and the ceiling. There is also a small room where
>they serve food. You will also find a gorgeous stairway and a unique old
>elevator.
>
>The group of teachers that were assembled for '99 was incredible. I won't
>try to name them all because I would probably leave some one out by mistake.
> The important thing is that though the event was organized by Gustavo
>Naveira and Fabian Salas, they included teachers of many different styles of
>Tango, not just the style that they teach. A few examples, Osvaldo Zotto
>and Lorena Ermocida, Rudolfo and Maria Cieri, Fucundo and Kelly, Nito and
>Elba, and Omar Vega. There were, of course, other teachers that also teach
>in the style of Gustavo and Fabian, including Cecilia Gonzalez and Chicho.
>I believe that most of these teachers will be back for 2000 plus many
>others. The list can be found on the www.cosmotango.com website.
>
>There are 24 classes each day, 6 classes to choose from at 1, 3, 5, and 7 pm
>for 6 days. What ever your preference of teachers or styles, you will find
>plenty to make you happy.
>
>There are also milongas and exhibitions every night with wonderful live
>music. And I don't mean trios, these are full Tango orchestras! Last year
>there where also 2 full shows, I believe this will be the case again in
>2000.
>
>I can't imagine a more complete or better Tango week!
>
>As for the hotels and places to eat, I'll leave that to someone more
>experienced with the area. Each person has different demands as far as what
>they require to be happy with a hotel or restaurant. I can only say that
>you can find everything from very cheap to very expensive in both hotels and
>restaurants all within walking distance of Club Espanol.
>
>The same is probably true for people's experiences with the local tangueros.
> I'm sure you will find someone who had the greatest time of their life,
>someone who had a terrible time, and everything in between. I personally
>found the people that I met, both at the milongas and just generally
>wandering around Buenos Aires to be friendly, helpful, and easy to get along
>with. We travelled between the locations mostly in taxis and found them to
>be very reliable and inexpensive. Not once did a cabbie try to take us via
>a longer route or try to over charge us.
>
>CITA 99 was my first trip to Buenos Aires and I found it to be a very worth
>while experience. The event was First Class from beginning to end and the
>city was everything I had always heard it was. I am definitely returning
>for CITA 2000.
>
>************
>I have no financial interest in CITA and have no connection to the event or
>the organizers. I am merely a very satisfied attendee of CITA 99.
>
>Victor Crichton
>Tampa Bay, Florida
>
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>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:30:20 EDT
>From: Charles Roques <Crrtango @AOL.COM>
>Subject: more spice for the pot
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>Re Men learning.
>It appears that Jean Pierre and I read the same books.
>A few more details. Probably all of the first settlers and explorers were of
>course men. It was no pleasure cruise to endure the Atlantic to a new harsh
>land so not too many women were among the crews. The first pioneers became
>essentially starved for female companionship because there weren't very many
>around. Eventually a white slave trade developed by entrepreneurs to supply
>women to the colonies. By the late 1800s the man/woman proportion would
>change of course but not the flow of women to the colonies. Just as today,
>many of the women did not realize what awaited them and they ended up in the
>bordellos and "clandestinos". There were probably many women among the
>prostitutes who ultimately would become very accomplished dancers thanks to
>the tradition of dancing with your potential customers. How could they not,
>dancing every day with many men, as part of their livelihood? So the men
>would have to practice if they wanted to progress beyond dancing with them.
>It is interesting to consider that these women could actually choose their
>customers based on their "moves".
>As colorful as this sounds it is nonetheless a reality that is a part of the
>character of tango. Although Marta Savigliano touches on some broader
>sociological issues in her book "Tango and the Political Economy of Passion"
>some of her personal observations are interesting. One of the poignant ones
>was of learning tango from her grandfather but not being aware until she was
>older that his dancing skills were so refined because of dancing with
>prostitutes.
>There was also some implication in other material I read that the men started
>practicing together not only to improve their skills thus impressing the
>woman but also because it would have been expensive paying for time with the
>prostitute but only dancing and working on steps.
>
>Many people dance more than three dances but it does seem to be more or less
>a tradition that grew out of those origins. As a form of etiquette it could
>be viewed thus:
>-You accept the offer and dance one.
>
>- To decline a second dance makes a statement that you didn't think the
>partner was very good. Either they follow badly, or he is just showing off
>too much, or he's getting too forward and slimy, won't pay attention to the
>line of dance, or wants to chat etc.
>
>-To dance two is polite so why not one more. If I feel someone is not so
>great to dance with I will usually dance three anyway but may wait before
>asking them to dance again.
>But three dances is not a rule etched in stone and many people dance more. At
>times I dance with a favorite partner five or six times but I usually will
>end it just to be considerate of others. If I really want to dance with the
>same person a lot, I will ask them to practice with me (but not at a
>milonga!)
>Cheers, Charles
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:05:47 -0400
>From: Nancy Ingle <ningle @RHS.BREVARD.K12.FL.US>
>Subject: Tandas, chatting, Argentine customs, insularity
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> Although this is not a new thread, the experience of the gentleman who
>objected to the chatting on the dance floor, just points up the diversity
>of cultures in the Tango community.
>
> It is the custom in Argentina to dance three or more consecutive dances
>with the same partner. This is a charrming custom which I would like to
>see practiced here. It allows the two strangers* the time to become
>accustomed to the style of dance, the mood of the tanda (which is usually
>selected from the same orchestra and time period), and the abilities of
>one another. I found that as I became more relaxed and confident about my
>partner, I was more able to 'give my body' to him and each dance became
>better and more intimate.
>
>
> As for chatting, this is yet another way of knowing one's partner and
>becoming relaxed and intimate with him. It also gives the gentleman time
>to think about the music and his plans for dancing his partner according to
>her abilities. It is quite a rude feeling to be unceremoniously 'dumped'
>by one's partner after one dance so that he can race to the next woman he
>has been targeting. This, unfortunatley, is the habit of those leaders who
>view tango as a competition to see just how many tangos they can 'knock
>off' with the maximum number of women.
>
> I believe that some of the customs of Argentina are not practiced here
>because so many of our Tango communities are quite insular. It is always
>the same people, dancing the same styles, to the same music, week after
>week. We are no longer 'strangers'* to one another and therefore do not
>feel the need to be 'polite', to practice the charming traditions, to spend
>time with one another just enjoying the moments beyond the music, to
>cherish the partnerships that develop for however brief a time.
>
>
>
>Nancy of Florida
>
>
>
>"DANCE, v.i. To leap about to the sound of tittering music, preferably with
>arms about your neighbor's wife or daughter. There are many kinds of
>dances, but all those requiring the participation of the two sexes have two
>
>characteristics in common: they are conspicuously innocent, and warmly
>loved by the vicious."
> "The Devil's Dictionary"
> Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:07:39 -0500
>From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
>Subject: Anonymous postings
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> A few discussions on Tango-L have been furthered by anonymous
> postings, but many of the anonymous postings on Tango-L have been
> extremely personal and unfair attacks on others. Very few of the
> non-anonymous postings have been as personal or as unfair.
>
> From what I have seen, a cloak anonymity shields the perpertrators
> from any responsibility for what they write. As such, anonymity seems
> to encourage writing of little value. On balance, I believe that
> Tango-L has been made worse off by anonymous postings, and I would
> encourage the development of procedures to eliminate the possibility
> of anonymous postings.
>
> --Steve de Tejas
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:07:31 +0100
>From: white95r
>Subject: Re: Anonymous postings
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>Although I do not post anonymously, I am opposed to changing the this
>feature of the list. Just as many posts are insulting and stupid regardless
>of the identity of the perpetrator. I suggest allowing people to post
>anonymously about their tango experience, knowledge and feelings. If some
>people are going to violate the list rules and netiquette in general they
>will do it no matter what. The list is like tango, open to all and should be
>accessible to all. If one wishes to participate in a differently styled
>forum, one need not look very far. Alberto Paz has a tango list that has the
>requirement of proven, real identity of the contributor, this forum is
>alright just as it is.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
>To: <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 8:07 PM
>Subject: Anonymous postings
>
>
>> A few discussions on Tango-L have been furthered by anonymous
>> postings, but many of the anonymous postings on Tango-L have been
>> extremely personal and unfair attacks on others. Very few of the
>> non-anonymous postings have been as personal or as unfair.
>>
>> From what I have seen, a cloak anonymity shields the perpertrators
>> from any responsibility for what they write. As such, anonymity
>seems
>> to encourage writing of little value. On balance, I believe that
>> Tango-L has been made worse off by anonymous postings, and I would
>> encourage the development of procedures to eliminate the possibility
>> of anonymous postings.
>>
>> --Steve de Tejas
>>
>>
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:58:11 EDT
>From: Charles Roques <Crrtango @AOL.COM>
>Subject: Tango and Peaches
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>I'll be in the Atlanta GA area from 11/3 to 11/12 and would like to attend
>any milongas or workshops going on during that time. I'll have a car and be
>driving down from western NC. Any info would be appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Charles Roques
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:35:18 -0400
>From: Sherry Dimmers <dimmers @PILOT.MSU.EDU>
>Subject: Trip to Buenos Aires
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>Gina asked about CITA in B. A. I agree with all that Victor said except
>that B.A. is a big city & you need to be alert.
>
>My first trip to; B.A., a woman in our group had her passport taken out
>of her bag while waiting to attend a Tango show. She was standing in
>front of the theater. Last year a friend had a cab driver tell him his
>bills had the wrong numbers on them, causing him to look at more bills
>than were needed to pay the fare. After the cab left, he realized that
>the cab driver didn't return some of his money. I had my purse stolen
>from the back of my chair, while sitting in it, with 4 friends sitting
>all around me. Especially be careful aro;und hotels where most N.
>Americans are staying.
>
>Otherwise, have a great time.
>
>Sherry
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:58:07 -0700
>From: Manuel Patino <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Trip to Buenos Aires
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Sherry Dimmers <dimmers @PILOT.MSU.EDU>
>Subject: Trip to Buenos Aires
>
>
>> Gina asked about CITA in B. A. I agree with all that
>Victor said except
>> that B.A. is a big city & you need to be alert.
>
>Excellent advise Sherry, we all wax nostalgic and
>enthusiatic about Bs As (with good reason) but we do forget
>that it is a big city with big city problems.
>
>> My first trip to; B.A., a woman in our group had her
>passport taken out
>> of her bag while waiting to attend a Tango show. She was
>standing in
>> front of the theater.
>
>Again, a timely cautionary story. I'm sure that many times
>N. American and other non-Spanish speakers are targeted by
>local crooks because they are obviously tourists and easier
>victims with less recourse.
>
>
>>Last year a friend had a cab driver tell him his
>> bills had the wrong numbers on them, causing him to look
>at more bills
>> than were needed to pay the fare. After the cab left, he
>realized that
>> the cab driver didn't return some of his money. I had my
>purse stolen
>> from the back of my chair, while sitting in it, with 4
>friends sitting
>> all around me. Especially be careful aro;und hotels where
>most N.
>> Americans are staying.
>
>I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience. I guess it
>really pays to be extra careful. I tend to be a liitle more
>careful anyway because I know that being a tourist makes one
>a more likely target. Besides, I've been to other countries
>where crime is much worse so I guess I've become a bit more
>paranoid.
>
>There are other scams that have happened to visiting
>tangueros in Bs As, I remember reading in one of the Tango
>magazine's in the States about two couples who were enticed
>to go in a restaurant to dance and eat only to be
>horrifically overcharged and extorted. When they tried to
>protest they were threatened with serious bodily harm! Yes,
>it does pay to be careful, don't leave your possessions
>unatended and be alert.
>
>Still, I think it is good to remember that Bs As is a fairly
>safe city by any standards and if one is prudent one can
>have a very nice and safe time. The great majority of people
>in Bs As are honest, friendly and helpful so I say go
>without fear but be reasonably careful, and by all means
>enjoy C.I.T.A.
>
>
>Manuel
>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:28:56 -0500
From: John Daniel Waggoner <dwag @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango and Peaches posting apology
Regrets for eating up bandwidth unintentionally reposting all of TANGO-L
Digest - 28 Oct 1999 to 29 Oct 1999 (#1999-48) along with my reply to
Charles - a senior moment
Eudora has been sent to bed without supper
Danny
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:42:18 -0500
From: Edwin Svigals <svigals @CYBURBAN.COM>
Subject: Re: Mem teaching men
tangostud wrote:
>
> TimmyTango writes: "I sometimes feel Daniel Trenner doesn't get the respect
> he deserves. You might not like how he may do things, but who else promotes
> tango like him."
>
> In my opinion, there are very few men who want to dance like Trenner. His
> style of dancing is too feminine.
Al, I think what you characterize as 'feminine' others might call
controlled and graceful- (yeah, a man can be graceful - watch michael
jordan in action)
Daniel Trenner is S-M-O-O-T-H...
Edwin
End of TANGO-L Digest - 31 Oct 1999 to 1 Nov 1999 (#1999-51)
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