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Subject: TANGO-L Digest - 6 Oct 1999 to 7 Oct 1999 (#1999-27)
There are 6 messages totalling 283 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Argentine "culture"
2. Another Piropo? (2)
3. tango Sea cruise
4. piropos, tango & Buenos Aires
5. Tango: the Obsession on PBS
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:29:23 +0200
From: "Gabriella C. Marino" <gcmarino @IOL.IT>
Subject: Re: Argentine "culture"
Tom Ronquillo said:
>
>This form of expression is the truly elusive tango skill for some
>people, particularly when the brain is focused on dance steps and
>collision-free navigation around a crowded dance floor=2E A wonderful
>tango is not simply about how well a man attends to a woman; it also
>involves the quality of the woman's response to a man in terms of
>following the lead and expressing emotion=2E Expression in this regard
>does not necessarily have to mean torrid sensuality and explosive
>libido, but it could mean a sweet, quiet feeling that mixed age groups
>can comfortably enjoy during a tango=2E
>
>There are risks involved in trying to teach emotional communication
>because something gets lost in the attempt to create a syllabus for
>everyone to follow=2E It might be useful though to hear people on the list
>describe how silent communication during a tango works for them=2E
>
>Tom (El Tigre) Ronquillo
As Adri=E1n Arag=F3n of Tango x 2 said to my husband during a recent worksho=
p:
"You don't have to move the whole time, you can also stop a while, hold her
close and whisper something into her ear, that's the beauty of tango"=2E
Needless to say he sent a shiver down my spine=2E=2E=2E
Gabriella
Parma, Italy
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'(En el tango) la mujer debe ser una copa de cristal' Adri=E1n Arag=F3n
'(In tango) the woman must treated like a crystal glass' A=2EA=2E
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:30:13 -0400
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: Another Piropo?
I would have stopped long ago if had not been for all the letters I receive
asking for more.
Quien fuera eterno para amarte toda la vida.
I wish I was eternal to love you all my life.
Desde cuando lo bombones caminan por la calle?
I did not know, pieces of candy walked in the street.
Happy tangos y nice piropos.
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:45:30 -0400
From: "L: Anne-Sophie Ville" <Aville @WORLDBANK.ORG>
Subject: Re: Another Piropo?
A good friend of mine had a great one while we were in Buenos Aires two years
ago. For the whole evening a guy talked to her in spanish, the trick is that
she doesn't understand spanish... No problem, the guy talked to her and went
on and on on how beautiful she was, and that he would like to see her again
..... all the time helped by a friend of his who was translating int english.
At the end, he said to my friend: I know that we might not be together now, but
if, in one of my future life, I can spend only one day with you, that will be
the best day of my entire existence...."
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:15:34 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: tango Sea cruise
Renaldo wrote
>Could I get a student's impression of the "Tango at Sea" Cruise
>happening in December 4-11th this year? I am considering going on it
>and having never been on a cruise, your impressions would be
>invaluable.
>Muchas Gracias, Renaldo
The Tango at Sea cruise sounds like it will fabulous
7 night cruise & dance vacation the classic SS Norway
December 4 - 11 from Miami to: Phillipsburg, St. Thomas/St. John, Private
Island in the Bahamas, plus three fun dance filled days on the Caribbean!
The Instructors will be
Pampa Cortes, Christy Cote, Daniel Lapadula, Nito y Elba Garcia, Nora
Dinzelbacher, Leon C. Harris
Cruise Package includes: Accommodations on the SS Norway, All port Charges,
Federal & Departure Taxes, All Meals, entertainment & activities on board
ship, Group dance instruction, special gift from Cruises Plus
Price only $899.00
1 - 800/953-6050
www.cruisesplus.net or E mail cruisesplus @sunset.net
I wish I had the time and money
I am
Tim Pogros (TimmyTango).
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:03:23 -0400
From: Christina Burtis <Cburtis @IFC.ORG>
Subject: piropos, tango & Buenos Aires
ahh Sergio, keeping the tradition alive. ;)
This reminds me of the recent literary work of Julie Taylor I pick=
ed up
last winter - Paper Tangos. Formally a dancer, Ms. Taylor is a profess=
or at
Rice University who lived in Buenos Aires for many years. This book is=
about
her experience interacting with the culture told through the medium of =
her
leaning the tango (with interesting flip-images). Intense HenryJames-l=
ike,
forigner-interfacing-with-the-local-culture theme. You may hate it or =
love it,
disagree or agree with her impressions, but it is a very interesting an=
d
relevant read. I remember her mentioning piropos; it went like this:
******************
The male psychiatrist said: Don't believe that piropos are innocent. T=
here is
always an ulterior motive.
The boy on the street said, smiling as he passed me: Just a little long=
er and I
could climb up the braid to win the princess.
Anita, moving among clients in the hair salon, said: A guy and on top o=
f it a
tanguero - that's a changed atmosphere. But the kids - the ones on the=
street -
those piropos are innocent.
Another boy said, in what I always recounted as my piropo m=E1ximo, "Se=
=F1ora,
perhaps you could let me be your son." "But I have a son your age," I =
laughed.
"I could be the oldest son," he laughed back. After which he gallantly=
presented me with a very large bonbon, and my bus swept me away..... (=
pg. 95)
********************
My take: I think there are probably different levels of innocence=
. ;) ;)
;) As there are different kinds of men, different kinds of situations.=
Its
definitely a charming tradition in any event. No, I don't feel its a p=
ut-down
for American men. Yes, I can tell the difference between a harmless co=
mpliment
and unacceptable vulgarity. American men may have gotten similar "piro=
pos"
impulses beaten out of them over the last three decades in the wake of
feminism's progress and the ulterior motives of some people to misuse a=
nd abuse
the howl of "sexual harassment". Sad I think, because I know the "piro=
pos
impulse" is in our men. Maybe that's why tango is now again all the ra=
ge.
Has anyone else read other works of Argentine literature that deal=
s with
tango? Does Luis Jorge Borges involve tango in his writings? I heard =
that he
does. Very relevant to tango. It would be a highly foolish and unplea=
sant
thing to want to divorce the Argentine culture from Argentine Tango.
Which brings me to mention an exhibit that I was completely thrill=
ed to run
into yesterday. "Buenos Aires 1910 - 2000, Before & After" Absolutely=
THRILLING to see this collection of photos and items from that city's t=
ime
period (most things are from 1910.) We are talking tango's young heyda=
y, with
its international fame and Golden Era on the horizon. I found myself c=
ompletely
lost in the dozens and dozens of photos of the city's development. At =
one point
I realized I was searching the depicted street corners and the faces of=
the
immigrants for the essence of tango's beginnings. They were all there =
- the
city and the people that gave us the tango. Their tango. Its an amazi=
ng
exhibit, and travelling I think. Look for it. If you are in the DC ar=
ea, a
portion of it is generally accessible and at the State Department. The=
portion
I saw was in the main hall of the World Bank Group headquarters off of =
Penn.
Ave. and closed to the general public unless you know a staff member. =
But
again, I think its travelling so watch for it.
Kind regards,
Christina Burtis
(a.k.a. Melenita de Oro)
Washington, D.C.
ATOF- be hip. be cool. check it out
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:40:34 EDT
From: Cherie Magnus <MACFroggy @AOL.COM>
Subject: Tango: the Obsession on PBS
Hello, List!
Please excuse me if I'm posting to the wrong list. I think this is supposed
to be on Tango-A of the West or something.
But rather than people missing out on seeing this terrific film on TV, I'm
taking the chance of missing the correct place to post about it.
I saw Tango: the Obsession in the theatre last year, and it's a super film,
the only one that explains to me why I'm obsessed with tango.
So if you're in the L.A. area, and get KCET, be sure to tune in this Friday,
October 8, at 9:00 p.m. It's only an hour long, so they must have cut it,
unfortunately.
Stay tuned afterwards, for a repeat of the Forever Tango numbers with the
Boston Pops.
Cherie
http://www.viveladifference.com
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