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There are 4 messages totalling 158 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. PIROPOS
2. Help transfering MP-3 files to hard disc (2)
3. Argentine "culture"
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:20:33 +0100
From: white95r <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: PIROPOS
Dear fellow listers:
I recently posted a contribution ;-) about the piropos thread. Among other
things I said:
> When speaking piropos does one turn slightly to ones left or
> right
Snip
>Which are the "true"
> piropos? those uttered by the educated and well spoken or
> those in the must vulgar lunfardo?
Anyway, some people wrote me privately to comment on my use of "sarcasm" or
to say I was hostile. I wish to apologize to anyone who may have taken
offense. I wrote totally in jest and meant to inject some levity in the
proceedings. Although tango is all about love lost, betrayal and losses, I
think it is OK to poke a little fun at ourselves from time to time. Tango,
like life, has a bit of everything in it. sadness and melancholy for sure,
but also laughter and joy. I personally feel tremendous positive energy when
I listen and dance many tangos. As far as the piropos go, they are quite
common in all of South America and I'm sure in Central and North America as
well. Some are quite witty and even poetic while many would be considered
nothing more than sexual harassment and crude cat calls. Piropos are not
part of tango per se or even exclusively an Argentine custom, but I think
the thread is OK fodder for the list's discussion.
Happy tangos to all and tasteful piropos to the ladies,
Manuel
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:16:23 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Help transfering MP-3 files to hard disc
Hola Listeros,
Perhaps a more computer-literate person can help me with this. I am
planning a trip, need to take the Macintosh laptop, and would like to
transcribe favorite tangos from CD to the computer hard disc, for playback
on the road.
What is the best way to do this? I can obtain the SoundJam MP-3
application, which I understand may be the most suitable for the Mac. I
know I must use some particular cable from my stereo to my computer (what
is it called?/where do I get it?). What else do I need? Is this going to
be straightforward, or my usual computer nightmare? How much disc space
does a typical tango piece utilize?
If someone with a Mac has done this, could she/he help me out with some advice?
Muchas Gracias,
Steve Hoffman
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:37:39 -0500
From: Tom Ronquillo <chitiger @MAIL.DAVE-WORLD.NET>
Subject: Re: Argentine "culture"
Charles Roques wrote:
>
> re. piropos
>
> Yes, It is good to understand something about the culture that created tango but any one who has lived in Latin America can tell you that verbal flirting whether unsavory or "creative" is hardly indigenous to Argentina. It's pretty rampant all over the latin world.
> It's just a matter of whether you find it offensive or not. Perhaps a woman who finds it "charming" in Buenos Aires might not find it so in Santo Domingo. It's not a question of being politically correct, I just find it much more interesting to try to express these kind of feelings silently on the dance floor.
>
> Charles
Charles' last statement triggered an unsettling thought. What if the men
on the list didn't adhere to Charles' wise approach? I had a vision of
men at practicas and milongas suddenly unleashing a torrent of piropos
on the unsuspecting women. The men would be doing this because they had
followed the piropos thread and assumed that the complete milonguero
must employ verbal and physical skills. This development would signal
the ultimate demise of the fabled piropo due to overuse and
less-than-poetic delivery by many. Given that scenario, milongueras
could hardly be faulted if they chose to reciprocate by executing
intentionally wayward ganchos and boleos on the worst of the
piropeadores.
Now, to the heart of Charles' last statement about silent expression on
the dance floor -
This form of expression is the truly elusive tango skill for some
people, particularly when the brain is focused on dance steps and
collision-free navigation around a crowded dance floor. A wonderful
tango is not simply about how well a man attends to a woman; it also
involves the quality of the woman's response to a man in terms of
following the lead and expressing emotion. Expression in this regard
does not necessarily have to mean torrid sensuality and explosive
libido, but it could mean a sweet, quiet feeling that mixed age groups
can comfortably enjoy during a tango.
There are risks involved in trying to teach emotional communication
because something gets lost in the attempt to create a syllabus for
everyone to follow. It might be useful though to hear people on the list
describe how silent communication during a tango works for them.
Tom (El Tigre) Ronquillo
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:40:40 -0700
From: Peter Adler <adlerpe @HOOKED.NET>
Subject: Re: Help transfering MP-3 files to hard disc
>Hola Listeros,
>
>Perhaps a more computer-literate person can help me with this. I am
>planning a trip, need to take the Macintosh laptop, and would like to
>transcribe favorite tangos from CD to the computer hard disc, for playback
>on the road.
>
>What is the best way to do this? I can obtain the SoundJam MP-3
>application, which I understand may be the most suitable for the Mac. I
>know I must use some particular cable from my stereo to my computer (what
>is it called?/where do I get it?). What else do I need? Is this going to
>be straightforward, or my usual computer nightmare? How much disc space
>does a typical tango piece utilize?
>
>If someone with a Mac has done this, could she/he help me out with some
>advice?
>
>Muchas Gracias,
>Steve Hoffman
Hey Steve...
I have a long description of the process for you; but until you clean out
your mailbox, I got nowhere to send it....
Peter Adler
technical coordinator, BMUG
contributing editor, NeTProfessional Magazine
moderator, BMUG Music and Sound SIG/TelecomEssentials
(510) 845-4936
<adlerpe @hooked.net>
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