Tango-L mailing list archive: Digest 17 May 1999 to 18 May 1999

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Digest from 17 May 1999 to 18 May 1999

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There are 13 messages totalling 474 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Any Tango-Events at the Cote d'Azur on 29.05.-04.06.99? 2. Tango Real Quartet in the net! 3. Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly Executed" 4. De Angelis CD: Wrong Songs? 5. guts and hormones (ugh!) 6. Tango a Paris et a Malaga 7. three questions 8. Tango at " LA NACIONAL" - Role de la traduction 9. TANGO-L Digest - 12 May 1999 to 13 May 1999 10. New from Buenos Aires 11. new york manhattan 12. Tango Week in Miami 13. Florencia Taccetti & Julio Mendez in Santa Barbara CA

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:54:23 +0200 From: Stefan Dannemann <Stefan_Dannemann @ABAS.DE> Subject: Any Tango-Events at the Cote d'Azur on 29.05.-04.06.99? Dear List, I searched the Web for any tango events on 29.05.-04.06.99 especialy Marseille, but coudn't find anything but http://www.snafu.de/~rasch/TangoInE+F.html Can you help me with further information? Stefan --

Stefan Dannemann, ABAS AG, Karlsruhe, Germany WWW: http://www.abas.de

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:03:17 +0200 From: Robert <tango2 @ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE> Subject: Tango Real Quartet in the net!

67470024DEEC024CAA5B112A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list-members! The Tango Real Quartet from Berlin, Germany has now its own website: www.tangoreal.de. Here you find all information about the group and some tangos to listen. We are looking forward to your visit. Please write us an email if you have comments, suggestions or questions: contact @tangoreal.de. The spanish version will come soon. With best wishes Robert Schmidt

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:14:35 +0200 From: Alexis Cousein <al @BRUSSELS.SGI.COM> Subject: Re: Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly Executed" Michael Ditkoff wrote: > Second, my definition of correctly is that the execution feels > correct to both the man and woman. The man can tell if the > woman executed what he intended. The woman can feel is she > executed the figure without hesitation and with confidence. That classification doesn't really have much granularity... I know many couples who are satisfied rather easily that a step has been "executed" correctly (and in more instances, men who are satisifed and their dance partner doesn't have the guts to tell them it's not executed correctly). In many cases, the step is "executed" in more than one meaning. Even when both partners end up more-or-less placing their feet roughly as shown by the instructors or the peers without losing balance, that does *not* mean that they've integrated that figure into their dance -- very often, the *energy* and the way the figure flows is not correct. I confess I'm a bit of a maniac on this aspect, as I'm *never* satisfied I do anything entirely right; all too often, I've had to "revisit" figures to really discover new aspects that I had failed to discover earlier. And when you *really* get to know a certain figure, you then discover many, many ways of altering the energy or the flow of that particular sequence and start to play with the idiom... It's not because someone can decipher your writing [1] that you've mastered calligraphy ;). > I just tell the woman "That > didn't work. I wonder what I did wrong." Good strategy -- one I always tend to use. I've discovered that blaming your partner on failures is the most foolproof way to block progress. Also, it invariably reveals yourself as the pompous ass you really are (yes, I've been a pompous ass at times -- and still am, albeit, I hope, less frequently). > Keeping time with music is also important but difficult to > judge, which is why I didn't include it as a measuring stick. While that would be appropriate if we were to discuss tango as a science, this severe reductionism *is* harmful in this context, as what you're reducing away *is* the essence of the dance. I wouldn't be particularly fond of being grouped with a bunched of "advanced" fellows who can't dance to the music but can "execute" (as in capital punishment) lots'o'sequences "correctly". Let me stay on as an "accomplished beginner", then ;;). > WOMEN WANT MEN TO DANCE WITH THEIR HEART, NOT WITH THEIR > HORMONES. Precisely -- and that's just why you can't even begin to classify levels of proficiency accurately, just like it's impossible to judge whether someone is "likeable" by having him fill in a questionnaire. [1] as in: you can lead a woman to move in a general direction without causing her to lose her balance -- Alexis Cousein Systems Engineer SGI Belgium al @brussels.sgi.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:39:41 -0400 From: Nitin Kibe <NKibe @IFC.ORG> Subject: De Angelis CD: Wrong Songs? Greetings, List. I recently purchased a two CD set: Alfredo De Angelis 40 grandes exitos, "Las Grandes Orquestas del Tango", Maestros del Tango Argentino, BMT 602. The second CD is fine but the first CD has songs on it which are completely different from those listed on the CD jacket. My ear is not that sharp, but I am not sure whether they are even by De Angelis. Would appreciate a second (or many more!) opinion. Regards to all. Nitin Kibe

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:01:29 PDT From: Pepito La Chofa <badchioce @HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: guts and hormones (ugh!) Hello List, Michael Ditkoff wrote: >WOMEN WANT MEN TO DANCE WITH THEIR HEART, NOT WITH THEIR >HORMONES. I don't know where you get your information about women, but judging by your capitalization it seems to come from a very reliable source. My experience however, is that hormones -played with subtilty and respect- are quite welcome by most women during the dance. I would even go as far as to say that they are an integral part of tango dancing -but then again notice I won't use capitals. I say this especially considering that most people will choose to dance with persons of the opposite sex (if that happens to be their sexual preference). I have occasionally danced with male friends, who I love with all my hart, but the experience has not been quite so intense since I don't feel the need of adding a touch of hormones to it. The same goes to when I dance with my mother, who *owns* my hart. Playing with hormones during the dance requires, besides guts, a lot of sensibility and openness to your tango partner's responses. But I find the same applies for rhythm, direction, strength and all the other elements of tango. Thus: Guts and hormones! (Warning: If one is under the impression that hormones are not something you can keep under control, it's probably not recommendable to allow them any space during the dance.) La vida es una milonga ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:21:09 -0400 From: Francoise Audebrand <audebran @DITER.UMONTREAL.CA> Subject: Tango a Paris et a Malaga Bonjour, Je serai a Paris les 27 et 28 mai et du 15 au 26 juin et a Malaga du 29 mai au 15 juin. Plusieurs questions se posent : ou puis-je danser le tango ? quelles sont les habitudes particulieres : une femme seule a-t-elle de bonnes chances de danser ? Une femme peut-elle demander a un homme a danser ? Y a-t-il un genre de parrainage permettant aux gens seuls de se sentir moins seuls, plus integres et de bien s'amuser ? J'aimerais, si possible egalement, suivre un cours ou deux : y a-t-il des intensifs a ces dates ? Merci beaucoup de votre collaboration Fran=E7oise

Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:25:16 +0200 From: Per-Anders Tengland <perte @TEMA.LIU.SE> Subject: three questions Hello everyone! Mayby there are people out there who can help me with these three questions. 1) Can anyone provide me with the adress (or e-mail) to the Swiss (I think) record company "El Bandoneon"? 2) Is there a good store for tango shoes in Nijmegen, or should I try Amsterdam instead. (I will visit both cities this summer.) And if there are, how are the prices. 3 I have four tracks (on different tangoCDs) with Hector Varela and I like them very much. However, I have never seen any CDs with him. Can someone tell me if there are any. I prefer instrumental music. Thansk beforehand! Per-Anders Tengland

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:24:02 +0200 From: Nina Scheu <sh2 @RINGIER.CH> Subject: Re: Tango at " LA NACIONAL" - Role de la traduction Pierre-Michel ROSNER wrote: > > De: Diego Fraidenraich <fraidd01 @MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU> > > > The translator did a very good job as well since she > > managed to censor some funny but not-extemely-pleasing comments from = the > > master's portenio milonguero spanish style. > > Hummm!!??? > Si je comprend bien, une bonne traduction passe par la censure d'une pa= rtie du message.... > en particulier lorsque celle-ci s'av=E8re "d=E9plaisante" pour les part= icipants. > Dr=F4le de conception et du r=F4le d'un interpr=E8te, et du r=F4le d'un= enseignant (f=FBt-il un > v=E9ritable "maestro"). it's probably the only way to organize a course with puppy. if the studen= ts understood his insults, they'd never show up for a second class > Sans aimer son style, j'ai du respect pour Puppy en tant que danseur. J= e n'en ai aucun > pour sa personne... there's nothing to add

Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:43:01 EDT From: Hans Brandt <HaHeBrandt @AOL.COM> Subject: Re: TANGO-L Digest - 12 May 1999 to 13 May 1999 Hi List, With regards to the much discussed topic of tango shoes this is to inform that "Maison de la Danse" has now gone internet: http://maisondeladanse.de. Try`em! Hans

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 04:07:51 GMT From: Lili khayatt <justlili @HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: New from Buenos Aires Dear List I have been a subscriber on this list for about a year now, and in compliance with Tango-L rules regarding commercial announcements, am pleased to advise you that today is launched a new Tango venture from Buenos Aires with Argentine/Canadian partnership. For the first time in Buenos Aires, TANGO*GUEST HOUSE*TOURS offers Tango dancers, a complete travel package. This includes European-style accommodation with breakfast at our modern, 14-room Guest House in the residential neighbourhood of Belgrano. It contains two modern and fully equipped kitchens for guests convenience. Most rooms include private bathrooms. All rooms are equipped with cable TV, radio/cassette, telephone and include daily maid service. Our package includes Tango lessons at our own bright, modern dance studio conveniently located across the street from the residence. Amongst other things, the Tango tour provides transportation to/from airport, city tour, transportation and entrance costs to practicas and milongas, one dinner and tango show, and more. Photos, more information and registration details are available in Spanish and English on our web site at http://www.interlog.com/~elshaw/tght.html Feel free to email us at zabalahome @arnet.com.ar. We look forward to welcoming you, and sharing the best of Tango with you, here in Buenos Aires. Until then saludo tanguero. Lili Khayatt and Beatriz Glazer Tango.Guest House.Tour Freire 1101 1426 Buenos Aires Tel: (54-11) 4553-7472 and (54-11)4555-4919 Fax: (54-11)4554-1806 Email:zabalahome @arnet.com.ar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:22:43 +0000 From: Elena Robles <m-robles @NEIU.EDU> Subject: new york manhattan What kind of Tango activities, classes, milongas will I be able to find the w eek of June 16th in New York? It will be my first time in New York, I would appreci ate any suggestions. Elena m-robles @neiu.edu

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:31:56 -0400 From: Melinda Bates <tangerauna @EARTHLINK.NET> Subject: Tango Week in Miami Hello List, My partner and I are getting ready to visit Miami for the first time for next week's tango festival. We are very excited, as it will be our first WEEK of tango instruction. Over two years I have had classes with many of the featured teachers, but having so many classes offered at once seems like a fabulous opportunity. Do any of you have suggestions about how to get the most out of our time without exhausting ourselves? Steve and I dance at different levels, so we may split up for some classes. I am always happy to "share" him (a recent discussion thread here...). We hope to take advantage of the world-class instruction, the nightly milongas (to live music!), the beach right at our door, the salsa in South Beach, and the shows by tango masters. We like to eat in nice restaurants - any suggestions there? (There is a Miami restaurants web site, but it's not very useful.) The embassy of Argentina has been hosting weekly tango classes here in Washington for some months. Now the Ambassador is so excited about this tango week, he is coming to Miami also, to help open the festivities on Sunday. We think that will be good for tango in DC too. The classes at the embassy are really an opportunity to showcase tango to the Washington diplomatic and social communities, people who would not otherwise see or learn tango. The teacher is greatly influenced by Copes. But sooner or later these folks turn up at a milonga and broaden their horizons. That's good for all of us. When we return, maybe I'll have to change my address to "twinkletoes!" (Yes, I know "tangera" is a mis-spelling. It matches my license plate...) Please feel free to respond to me directly, not via the list, unless you think the answers are generally useful. Thanks very much!

Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:41:24 -0700 From: "Ofelia R. Villanueva" <ofelia @MACCONNECT.COM> Subject: Florencia Taccetti & Julio Mendez in Santa Barbara CA On May 22 & 23 Florencia Taccetti will return to Santa Barbara for a series of workshops: Technique 1--Saturday May 22, 1 - 3 PM, Carrillo Recreation Ctr., 100 E. Carrillo St. Posture/Balance/Movement--essential skills at ALL levels Technique 2--Saturday May 22, 4 - 7 PM "A Fascinating Rhythm" dance studio, 11 W. Ortega St. Lead & Follow/Turns/Different types of _salida_. Technique 3--Sunday May 23, noon - 3 PM "A Fascinating Rhythm" dance studio, 11 W. Ortega St. Analysis of figures/Rhythm & Energy/Adornments Figures 1--Sunday May 23, 4 - 6 PM Carrillo Recreation Ctr., 100 E. Carrillo St. Figures & Combinations/Improvisation/Musicality A lifelong dancer with a strong background in modern dance and ballet, Florencia has been dancing Tango since 1985. She is a protege of Graciela Gonzalez, and was a student of Juan Bruno and the late Antonio Todaro. Florencia has performed professionally with many fine dancers, including Pablo Veron, Gustavo Naveira, & Daniel Trenner. Florencia's partner, Julio Mendez, has performed & taught in Argentina and Europe. He created and runs the most popular open air milonga in Buenos Aires: "La Calesita." For further information (or to arrange a private lesson): call Fay at (805) 687-2113 or e-mail: TangoSB @aol.com information will also be available from our webpage: http://www.sb.net/tango

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