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There are 11 messages totalling 930 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly Executed"
2. Videotaping workshops
3. Rotating Partners: a different view (3)
4. Video taping workshops (2)
5. TANGO-L Digest - 12 May 1999 to 13 May 1999
6. passion
7. [Fwd: Where do e-mails go?]
8. Amsterdam 10 .-13.6.
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:20:24 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly Executed"
Forwarded from TangoMan:
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:12:00 -0400
From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV>
Subject: Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly
>First, Tango is a dance of passion and can't be >reduced to merely
steps. (I know instructors who just >teach steps and then expect men to
lead, usually with disappointing results.)
Michael, do you have the names of the instructors who teach passion?
I'm interested in beginning passion and do they allow thier classes to
be videotaped?
>I chose figures as the determining factor for levels >because I
considered it the easiest factor. Either >you can or you can't execute
a parada, mordita, etc.
Yes, but the degree of passion with which one stops a woman is directly
proportional to the intensity of the mordida. For example, ear lobes
carry a passion factor of 1.3 while biting one lips is only 0.65
passion.
>Regardless of what you think of your own skill level, >if a man can't
find the woman's foot for a mordita, >he can't do it, period.
Yes but, in the heat of passion it is easy to overlook the foot and go
for the leg. Besides the lighting conditions of the milonga also add a
handicap factor to the passion coefficient and finally the amount of
people engaged in passion around you, can obstruct your view as you
kneel down to try to find your partner foot for a mordida. What if you
take a bite of somebody else's foot? Can you blame it on passion and
get away with it, or getting a size 9 Fattomano's shoe inserted in your
rear bumper can be justified as yet, another act of passion?
>If a woman can't pivot while doing ochos, the woman >can't do ochos,
period.
Yes but, what about her ability to do at least a cuatro?
Taking a moment away from your passion you could graciously invite her
to do another cuatro in the opposite direction and that would count as
an ocho, wouldn't it?
>Second, my definition of correctly is that the >execution feels
correct to both the man and woman.
Then, if a guy can't see the woman's foot for a mordida and she stops
at a cuatro instead of an ocho while feeling great about being
together, they are sharing passion correctly, aren't they?
>The man can tell if the woman executed what he >intended. The woman
can feel is she executed the >figure without hesitation and with
confidence. If
>either the man OR woman have difficulty, the figure >hasn't been
executed correctly.
I passionately consider this a contradiction. Just the other night a
couple run into a table while in the heat of passion he tried a gancho
and she went for a boleo. They felt kind of silly, but according to
your definition of what is correct, i.e., whatever feels correct to
them, they must have felt correctly embarrassed and maybe they blamed
it on the organizer who didn't demand the teacher who got big bucks to
be videotaped.
>I'm not going into a "blame game" because that's a >definite loser. I
just tell the woman "That didn't >work. I wonder what I did wrong."
More often than not,
>the woman will be sympathetic and will ask what I >wanted and to try
again.
There you are!
Advanced planning before the dance. Let's go over the figures we are
going to throw to make sure that the dance of passion doesn't get
interrupted by clumsy attempts to recall the figures we couldn't
videotape.
Here is very important to have a DJ who plays tandas. The first dance
can be a run through rehearsal with talking allowed. The second one a
dress rehearsal where we make mental notes of all the woman's mistakes
so we can go over during the first eight bars of the third tango.
During the third tango we... Ooops, where did she go?
> WOMEN ARE MORE INTERESTED IN TECHNIQUE THAN DECORATIONS!!!
Bravo!
Another man speaking out for the women of the world.
>I'm sure most are familiar with the Argentine >expression:
4 legs 2
Bodies
1 Heart
Yes, it refers to a peculiar activity that happens here quite often
after an invitation to have a cup of coffee has been accepted.
>WOMEN WANT MEN TO DANCE WITH THEIR HEART, NOT WITH >THEIR HORMONES.
If that was true, the flow of tango teachers who make big bucks and
dont allow their classes videotaped, would stay home driving taxies, or
selling ball point pens on the subway. ;-)
A huge abrazo with passion to all my friends in the good ol' USA from
the sentimental capital of passion.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:09:58 -0400
From: Nitin Kibe <NKibe @IFC.ORG>
Subject: Videotaping workshops
Greetings, List.
There are related points, which struck me after I got the 99 USTC Miami (J Nel)
video (I have the 97 and 98 ones too).
Strictly as a memory aid, for students who have taken the workshop, a 3-4 minute
video demo by the instructors is useful . But as a record of all the richness
of experience in a good tango workshop, it is a poor substitute. And, because
the instructors are dancing to the camera, it can seem contrived. Finally, as
we know all too well, a figure which takes 30 seconds or less to execute often
takes an hour or more of workshop time to learn .
On the other hand, a cinema verite style, essentially with a camcorder capturing
the whole workshop, and then informed editing to pick out the highlights and
show how the students progressed can be very illuminating. Watching others
learn, and identifying with them, can be enjoyable and gives an idea of the
level of difficulty and effort. In addition, one can learn much as instructors
repeat their demos, break things down, explain to the class what to do or what
to avoid. And, as one's eye gets sharper, one can pick out points and
techniques which are not "explained". The camcorder work does not need to be any
more than competent: the material is inherently so rich that as long as most of
it is captured, I am satisfied.
By these very personal criteria, I found the 99 USTC tape disappointing, less
enjoyable and less rich in material than the 97 and 98 ones. True, it is
technically superior: it has slow motion (Osvaldo Zotto is faster than the
proverbial speeding bullet in slow mo too!) and the demos are under more
controlled conditions (better lighting, camera angles, etc). But the technical
superiority cannot make up for its failure to capture the essence of what must
have been a rich experience, as the 97 and 98 ones do.
Regards to all.
Nitin Kibe
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:48:44 -0700
From: Ted Crowley <ted @DANCER.NET>
Subject: Rotating Partners: a different view
Stephen wrote:
> As students, you will no longer find me or Susan in "advanced" classes
> unless we are reasonably certain that we will able to dance with
> reasonably skilled dancers for most of the class...
Ah, but Stephen, you have a choice that many of us don't have: you
can stay away from classes and still have "Susan" to practice with.
Like others blessed with partners, he talks as if everyone has one!
I hate to go off on a rant, since I'm not
as funny as Dennis Miller, but, well...
I invite Stephen and others to think about how your feelings about
rotating would change if you had no regular dance partner, and your only
chance of dancing with ANY advanced dancers at workshops was for them
to be willing to rotate away from their "partner" and dance with you?
I, like many others, have no practice partner for Tango. When I go to
advanced workshops and all the "actually advanced" dancers there stick
with their regular partners (if we aren't frequently told to rotate,
and sometimes even if we are) then I am always dancing with beginners.
MUCH worse, if there is even one or two extra men out of 20 couples, I
may be partnerless for 75%-95% of the workshop, not the 5%-10% it would
be if everyone rotated frequently. This happens. No exaggeration. And the
same carries over to milongas: many advanced dancers aren't approachable
until you are also advanced. How does one get there, short of finding a
regular partner? I'm stumped. I'm stuck. My progress was much faster in
other dances I've learned. It's been zero in Tango once I reached the
intermediate level. But then again, in those other dances I never saw
the resistance to sharing of partners in workshops/classes that I see
in the Tango community. People rotated, period.
But enough poor-me-ing. Let's look at it from the "lucky ones" viewpoint.
Yes you, advanced dancer, Tanguero, Tanguera, Tangerine, whatever...
I've had years of being a top-level dancer in other dances, so I know
how much more fun it is to dance with the best dancers and take classes
with advanced partners. I know the feeling at dances that you hardly have
time to dance with each of your favorite partners, and hate to miss some
of them because you're dancing with some stranger who isn't even very good.
But I also learned that if we go out of our way to dance with the people
a step or two "below us", and make those dances terrific ones, then they
learn and grow much more quickly into fine dancers that we'll really enjoy
dancing with as new favorite partners; and they're more motivated and more
involved in classes and groups, and this all improves the size and quality
of the dances we attend, the dimensions of our community of dancers. So we
give up a little joy now, to increase everyone's joy in the future.
And every time you dance with them (I know this from both sides) they
appreciate it, and think you're a very nice person, and remember you.
I've also had years of having a lover who was also my dance partner
(in the past, and not in Argentine Tango), so I know how much more
fun it is to dance with the person you love and/or with whom you've
danced so much that everything is easy and you dance so much better,
and how this improves learning situations too. But when she and I
wanted an evening of dancing just with each other, we did it at home
or went out to a nightclub. At the group dances with other dancers we
danced with everyone. Similarly at classes we would rotate and mingle
and dance with everyone, then if we wanted we could go over the steps
or techniques together at home later as much as we wanted with just
each other. We made many, many friends this way, but that wasn't the
reason. To us that was just common courtesy. It would have been plain
rude not to. It was how all the "couples" acted.
Well, almost all: there was always a few couples that stuck with each
other, didn't rotate in classes, sat together at dances, danced mostly
with each other. Some people said they were rude, others just wondered
why they did that. Were they jealous? Most likely. Maybe they're just
snobs? Probably. Could they be introverts? Perhaps. Whatever the reason,
they made people a little uncomfortable, they created more than their
share of awkward situations...and more than their share of ill feelings,
because it always feels bad when someone doesn't want to dance with you
in a situation where it would seem normal to. Always. Whether it gets as
far as actually saying no, or she turns her head away as you approach,
or he just ignores your eye contact invitation, or whatever.
I'm not perfect: I've been on both sides of all of it, and have caused
the ill feelings as well as (as often as? I sincerely hope not) felt
them. So I'm no role model, just a guy talking about things I've seen.
But I needed to bring up this issue. I've heard too many nice people
tell me one of the main reasons they dropped out of the dance scene
was that the more advanced dancers acted like snobs and wouldn't dance
with the learners. Hey, that's not right! Hey, this is important!
Especially if you want Tango to grow and continue active and popular
in your area. Teachers are often conscious of their role in growing
and supporting the local dance community, wherever they are, and I know
some good teachers who are very approachable to dance with. But other
advanced dancers aren't always conscious that their help is needed too.
But even aside from that, it's simply important to help others to have
the chance to become every bit as good as you are already. That's part
of your purpose in going to any "group" class you take: to help others.
-- Ted
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:34:54 -0700
From: Norman Barth <norman @LUTETIA.UCSD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Video taping workshops
In the ongoing discussion regarding video taping, no one has
mentioned the fact that some people in the workshop (or dance
lesson) may not want to be video taped. Usually no one asks
permission to video tape, and if they do, they ask the teacher
or instructor. In fact it seems to me to be necessary to
ask _everyone_ in the class if they mind being video taped.
I think it is also simple courtesy. Some of us do not want
misc. bootleg images of ourselves 'out there'.
I know many will consider my attitude to be close minded, or
legalistic, but frankly if you want to video tape someone you
need their permission.
Thus far I have never asked someone to stop video taping, but
it does affect how much I might use certain parts of the dance
floor. And it _is_ irritating esp. when the class is interrupted
for camera adjustments, repeations of this or that for the
camera, etc.
Some contributors to this discussion have mentioned the idea
of a quick review of the hour's instruction at the end of the
hour for the benefit of the video cameras. This has the
added benefit that only the instructor/teacher are filmed,
hence I find this approach far perferable.
- Norman Barth
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:10:05 EDT
From: Frank Hunsicker <FHunsicker @AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: TANGO-L Digest - 12 May 1999 to 13 May 1999
In a message dated 5/13/99 3:00:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV @MITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:
<< 1. Good embrace does it all so well.
2. Video taping workshops >>
How do I get unsubscribed from this mail list. Nothing in last year has been
interesting. Would rather read about C/W then this stuff.
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:56:56 -0700
From: JC Dill <tango @VO.CNCHOST.COM>
Subject: Re: Video taping workshops
On 10:34 AM 5/13/99 -0700, Norman Barth wrote:
>In the ongoing discussion regarding video taping, no one has
>mentioned the fact that some people in the workshop (or dance
>lesson) may not want to be video taped. Usually no one asks
>permission to video tape, and if they do, they ask the teacher
>or instructor. In fact it seems to me to be necessary to
>ask _everyone_ in the class if they mind being video taped.
>I think it is also simple courtesy. Some of us do not want
>misc. bootleg images of ourselves 'out there'.
I believe that either:
A) It should be noticed on the workshop flier and announced at the
beginning of the workshop that the whole workshop is to be videotaped.
or
B) The instructors should demonstrate the moves taught and mention the key
concepts they highlighted during the lesson, for a special videotape
section at the very end of the workshop (this takes about 3-10 minutes
depending on how much was taught and how often they had to repeat key
concepts and how much practice the participants needed during the workshop).
I prefer method B for myself, it distills the whole workshop down into the
essential bits that you want for later viewing. I'd much rather have a 2
hour tape full of 3-10 minute workshop summaries (getting 12 to 60 such
summaries on one tape) than have a whole 2 hours of straight through
workshop. In fact, I purchased such a workshop summary tape from the last
dance convention I attended *specifically* because it was being compiled in
this manner and I could get all the workshops on one tape for one
reasonable price.
If this is a day of ongoing workshops, it also would be nice to move the
instructors to a special place where the video is setup all day long and do
the workshop summary for video there, away from the classroom, letting the
students enjoy the classroom for additional practice or letting the next
workshop start up.
jc
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:03:12 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Rotating Partners: a different view
Previously I wrote:
>> As students, you will no longer find me or Susan in "advanced" classes
>> unless we are reasonably certain that we will able to dance with
>> reasonably skilled dancers for most of the class...
Ted responded:
>I, like many others, have no practice partner for Tango. When I go to
>advanced workshops and all the "actually advanced" dancers there stick
>with their regular partners (if we aren't frequently told to rotate, and
>sometimes even if we are) then I am always dancing with beginners.
Ted's response ignores the simple question of why beginners are attending
an advanced class. Previous discussions on this list suggested that one of
the most egotistical things for advanced dancers to do was to attempt steps
beyond the skill level of their partner, but the beginners enrolling in the
advanced class are demanding that their more advanced partners do exactly
that.
I am quite happy to rotate in an advanced class when there is a reasonable
probability that the other students are advanced by some measure other than
their own inflated egos.
When I was beginning to learn tango, it never occurred to me to attend
attend advanced classes. I thought doing so would have imposed on those
who had developed the skills to be there. When I first ventured beyond the
beginning classes, it was at the invitation of the professors and the more
advanced dancers.
Yes, I did get an opportunity to dance with more advanced dancers because
they chose to attend the beginning classes. Susan and I frequently attend
beginning and intermediate classes, and when we do, we willingly accept the
rotations requested by the instructors, and we learn from doing so.
>MUCH worse, if there is even one or two extra men out of 20 couples, I
>may be partnerless for 75%-95% of the workshop, not the 5%-10% it would be
>if everyone rotated frequently. This happens. No exaggeration. And the
>same carries over to milongas: many advanced dancers aren't approachable
>until you are also advanced. How does one get there, short of finding a
>regular partner? I'm stumped. I'm stuck. My progress was much faster in
>other dances I've learned. It's been zero in Tango once I reached the
>intermediate level. But then again, in those other dances I never saw
>the resistance to sharing of partners in workshops/classes that I see
>in the Tango community. People rotated, period.
As has been discussed on this forum many times, tango is a dance of
intimate sharing (4 legs, 2 bodies, 1 heart). Given that intimacy, it
is not surprising that individuals will choose to be relatively
careful about with whom they dance. If you watch carefully at a
milonga, you find advanced couples who will not switch partners with
each other very much. And in comparison to the tango culture in
Buenos Aires, North America has more extensive partner switching.
As has also been previously discussed on this forum, practice is one
of the most important ways to advance in tango skills. The lack of a
practice partner can be an obstacle if there are no organized
practices to attend. Without a partner, however, one can practice
many important skills, such as developing good balance and form while
walking and turning. And there is always the possibility of asking
someone to act as a partner for a class or practice without a life
committment.
>But I also learned that if we go out of our way to dance with the people
>a step or two "below us", and make those dances terrific ones, then they
>learn and grow much more quickly into fine dancers that we'll really enjoy
>dancing with as new favorite partners; and they're more motivated and more
>involved in classes and groups, and this all improves the size and quality
>of the dances we attend, the dimensions of our community of dancers. So we
>give up a little joy now, to increase everyone's joy in the future.
As has been discussed here previously, the expected payback of giving up
joy now may be relatively low. The number of new people who stick with
tango long enough and practice enough to become intermediate to advanced
dancers is probably 5-10 percent. Fortunately, dancing with a beginner can
have its own immediate rewards, so there is little lost joy.
As Ted says:
>[E]very time you dance with them (I know this from both sides) they
>appreciate it, and think you're a very nice person, and remember
>you.
I remember quite well those advanced dancers who danced with me when
I was beginning and I still greatly appreciate them.
Ted also wrote:
>I've heard too many nice people tell me one of the main reasons they
>dropped out of the dance scene was that the more advanced dancers
>acted like snobs and wouldn't dance with the learners.
I also remember quite well those advanced dancers who would not even
talk to me when I was beginning--probably out of fear that I would
ask them to dance. I thought less of them then, and I still do. But
their behavior had absolutely no effect on my desire to learn to
dance tango.
With best regards to everyone
from beginner to most advanced,
Steve
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:07:06 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: passion
Bravo Alberto
I love everything you wrote about dancing with passion, not necessarily
dancing to dance steps. Quite dancing for the audience and dance for your
partners affections, and emotions. Put feeling in every little move your
make. So many times I tell my students to stop running, your not in a race.
Dance slowly, passionately, romantically. Take the time you need to perform
moves correctly. When your on the dance floor with your partner, don't screw
her, make love to her. did everyone forget the little poem?
Work like you don't need the money
Love like you've never been hurt
dance like no one is watching.
Timmy
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:28:31 +0100
From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Rotating Partners: a different view
Original Message-----
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Rotating Partners: a different view
extensive snip.....
If you watch carefully at a
>milonga, you find advanced couples who will not switch partners with
>each other very much. And in comparison to the tango culture in
>Buenos Aires, North America has more extensive partner switching.
In Buenos Aires it is not too easy to get partners to dance in the milongas.
First you must prove that you can dance before you get dances. I know it
seems like a catch 22 but it is so. I've observed first hand and also I've
had many a conversation with dancers of both genders about a certain
universal "code". You are watched while you dance and the women (or men for
the women dancers) will decide whether or not to dance with you. Many have a
fear of dancing with a bad dancer and being taken for a bad dancer oneself.
This happens if you are not a regular at the milonga. If that happens you
can pretty well kiss the evening good bye or go to another milonga and start
again. So much for dancing with beginners in actual, real life *milongas*.
>As has also been previously discussed on this forum, practice is one
>of the most important ways to advance in tango skills. The lack of a
>practice partner can be an obstacle if there are no organized
>practices to attend. Without a partner, however, one can practice
>many important skills, such as developing good balance and form while
>walking and turning. And there is always the possibility of asking
>someone to act as a partner for a class or practice without a life
>committment.
I agree absolutely. Practice is the key to improving ones dancing. There is
no substitute for "tango miles". I have observed that the dancers who
improve the most and the fastest are those who show up at the practicas,
classes and dances. Conversely, those who do not show up at practicas,
dances, etc. will invariably struggle with the steps, the music, etc.
Finding a partner at the practicas and dance parties is not a problem for
us. Our group is quite willing to dance with each other and learn together.
It does not matter if one shows up single or if there is a slight gender
imbalance. The people in our classes are always willing to help.
I always encourage people to practice and take every opportunity to dance
tango. Showing up one hour per week in class without any other dance time is
not enough to become profficient in tango (or I imagine any dance form).
Regards,
Manuel
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:13:59 -0600
From: Robin Young <rdcuer @MICRON.NET>
Subject: [Fwd: Where do e-mails go?]
Robin sends you world wide greetings !
> Thought this would be fun. Hope it comes back someday. Where do e-mails go?
>
> This is an experiment. I hope it will seem interesting enough to you to make
> you want to participate. Email messages fly to and fro, all over the world.
> Lots of jokes, cute sayings, etc., seem to take on a life of their own as
> they get forwarded to more and more email addresses. I've often thought that
> it is too bad we can't see where these well traveled messages have been. I'll
> bet we'd be amazed at the list of addresses some have visited. There is a way
> to find out. Just add your first name, location, date and maybe a very short
> comment to the bottom of this message and send it out to your list of email
> friends. Eventually it may return to you. If it does, you'll be able to see
> all the places it has been since it first left your computer.
>
> (Cut and paste, DON'T FWD - keep it tidy. This means removing the footers and
> addresses, too!)
> *************************************************************************
> 1. Allen, Buckinghamshire, England, 29 Jun 1998, (originator of this
> message.)
> 2. LuJane, Palouse Washington (and Potlatch Idaho)
> 3. Lynne, Newark, California, 30 June 1998
> 4. Judi, Lillington, NC - 7-1-98
> 5. Tammy, Washington, The state (6-30-98)
> 6. Marie, Manteca, California
> 7. Carla, Kent, Washington (state), 6-30-98
> 8. Dedri, Washington, 6-30-98
> 9. Joni, Dayton, Ohio 6/2/98
> 10. Johnny Boy, Cleveland, Ohio 1998.07.02
> 11. Ciara, Suffern, New York 7-4-98 lol what's another-mail experiment among
> friends... smile
> 12. Carol, Reno, Nevada 7-4-98 {I think that this is cute, hope that it
> makes it around the world}
> 13. Anne, Oregon 7/4/98 Happy 4th of July
> 14. Docia, Tampa, FL 7-4-98
> 15. Theresa, Millbrae, CA 7-4-98
> 16. Verna, San Diego,CA. 7/4/98
> 17. Lois, Littlefield, Tx. 7/4/98
> 18. Pattie, Albany, NY 7/4/98
> 19. Sharon, Kent,WA 7/4/98
> 20. Arnoldo, Poughkeepsie, NY 7/5/98
> 21. Patricia, NJ 7/5/98
> 22. Kate: Sydney, Australia. 7/5/98
> 23. Pat, Virginia Beach, Va. 7/5/98
> 24. Peg, Akron, Ohio 7/6/98
> 25. Barbara, Bornheim, Germany 07-06-98, Nice idea...
> 26. Dorothy, Long Island NY...This is fun! Hope everyone joins in!
> 27. Rita, Holyoke, Massachusetts 07/06/98 Keep it going!
> 28. Millie, Northern California 7/6/98
> 29. Gloria, Stone Mountain, GA. Keep it going 7/6/98
> 30. Kathleen, Seattle Washington USA 7/6/98
> 31. Papai (John Legge), Pikeville, KY USA 7/7/98 (cute idea!)
> 32. Scarlet (Robin), Tampa, FL 7/7/98 (hope someone keeps track!)
> 33. Tina, NJ, 7-7-98. Too cool!
> 34. Lisa, El Paso, Texas 7/7/98. Sheesh, I get to sign on my age #.
> 35. Andrea, Lampertheim, Germany, 7/7/98
> 36. Dave, Zanesville, OH, 7/8/98
> 37. Erik, Zanesville, OH 7/9/98
> 38. Karen, Bloomsbury, NJ 7/9/98
> 39. Rowena, Haddonfield, NJ, USA 7/10/1998
> 40. Shivaun, Haddonfield, NJ 7/13/98 May nice weather follow you...
> 41. Marcus, Toronto, ON Canada 7/13/98 God Speed
> 42. Len & Silke Lovett, Toronto,On, Canada 7/14/98 Cool!
> 43. Mark and Chrissi, Bradord, On, Canada 7/19/98 wooo hooooo!!
> 44. Carmen Thompson, Victoria, BC, Canada 7/20/98 - Very Cool Idea!!
> 45. Jon and Michelle, Kitchener, Ont, Canada
> 46. Brande, Nebraska,USA 7-21-98
> 47. Carol, Illinois USA 7-21-98
> 48. Scott, Edmonds Washington 7-21-98... wouldn't it be cool if this came
> back to you in 6 months with hundreds of names
> 49. Edward, Naval Vessel of Coast of Hawaii, 7-21-98
> 50. Jimmy "K", Silverdale, Washington (USA),21JULY1998 --(and OFF it went to
> dozens of friends..
> 51. Bart and Barnie, Manila, Philippines/ Singapore, 98-7-22
> 52. Humphrey and Chester - NJ 98-7-23
> 53. Baby D., New York, NY - 07/23/1998 - keep it going guys, mabuhay!!!!
> 54. Gene Paul P., Manila, Phils. - 7/24/98 - Go with the flow!!!!
> 55. Alejandro J. Dizon, Singapore - 3:20 - 7/24/98 -I hope I can attach
> myself with this e-mail so I can travel around likewise. Cool!
> 56. Phen, Singapore, 24-07-98 hope this comes back with lots of good luck....
> 57. Bhan, Charlotte, NC, 07/24/1998 -- sigh...
> 58. Aileen C. F. - Charlotte, N.C.,7/24/98 -- this is great!!!....
> 59. Jenny T. Ayroso, Philippines, 7/28/98, -- this is cool!!!
> 60. Dennis M. Ofiaza, Philippines, 7/28/98, --
> 61. Myla F. Rapadas, Philippines, 7/29/98, -- GODSPEED!!!
> 62. Elisa Lee, Philippines, 7/30/98 -- GOD BLESS YOU!!!
> 63. Jonas M. (S_A_P), Washington DC, 08/03/98 - take care!
> 64. Ellen B. Arellano, Philippines, 08/03/98 - keep it going!!
> 65. Noel G., Chicago, IL 1998-08-04(Y2K Compliant) -
> 66. Maris, Philippines 08/07/98 - God bless!
> 67. Lian / Ning, Philippines, 08/07/98
> 68. Ceny/Vicky, San Jose, California, 08/06/98(would love to see this again)
> 69. Carlos Sicat, Santa Ana, California,08/07/98(best place to be...)
> 70. Christina, San Antonio, Texas, 8-8-98
> 71. Lynnette Aaron, San Antonio, Tx, 8-9-98
> 72. Meg Johnson, San Antonio, Tx, 8/9/98
> 73. Ben Revell, Helotes, TX, 8/9/98 :op
> 74. Kim Branson, San Antonio, TX, 8/9/98 :-)
> 75. Aaron, San Antonio, TX, 8/10/98 (#150...plz snd to FordPrfct5 @aol.com)
> 76. Trent, San Antonio TX, 8/10/98 ( and to mee too!
> 77. Woody, San Antonio, TX (Dick's Last Resort!!!!)
> 78. BJ, *Woody's Mom, Edwardsburg, Mi, Love these things.
> 79. Charline, Tampa, Fl. 8/11/98
> 80. Ruth, St. Louis, MO (wonderful idea.) 8/11/98
> 81. Rita, Willowbrook, IL (Lets do it) 8/11/98
> 82. Kitty, Naples, FL 8/12/98
> 83. Suzie, Naples, FL 8/12/98
> 84. Wendy Wald, Naples,Fl. 8/12/98 (great idea! Thanks!)
> 85. Peppa, North Carolina 8/12/98 (keep it going!)
> 86. Glenn C, Houston,TX 8/12/98
> 87. Andy C (Glenn's son) Seattle, WA. 8/17/98.
> 88. Keli V., Houston, TX 8/18/98 (Happy Trails)
> 89. Blaine KH, Amsterdam, Netherlands 08/24/98 (I should be able to get this
> around the world)
> 90. Graham & Mina Northcott, Manila, Philippines (We will wait and see...)
> 91. Jean Batac (DU1-JAN)MaNILA,Philippines(okslang,kwentuhan sang naman
> eh???)
> 92. Cecile Ventura, Makati, Philippines (This is fun! Wouldn't it be better
> if we all get to see each other?)
> 93. Mike Carpio, ANU, Canberra,Australia (It's wonderful to be part of this
> exciting experiment.Don't break it, keep it going!)
> 94. Lourdes Ojeda, Peking, China, 29 Aug. 1998 (Go for it!)
> 95. Cora L. Sta. Ana, Peking, China, 30 Aug. 1998 what the heck,let's go
> around the world with it).
> 96. Jenny Yong, Singapore, August 31, 1998
> 97. SBee, Singapore, August 31, 1998 (When will I see you again?)
> 98. Jimmy Oh, Singapore, August 31, 1998. It Is By Chance We Met,By Choice
> We Became Friends (Kinda )
> 99. Sharon Lim, Singapore, August 31, 1998 'Truly,Madly, Deeply'...'All
> Around the World'? yeah
> 100. Eric Tan , Singapore ,03 sep ,1998 "HelloWorld..Just Do It!!!:P
> 101. Ong Beng Tiong, Singapore, 04 Sep 1998
> 102. Louis Tan, Singapore, 04 Sep 1998 (Let's see how it goes)
> 103. Angeline Ng, Singapore, 04 September 1998 (GOD BLESS YOU!)
> 104. Rebecca Ng, Singapore, 09 September 1998 (Let it flow)
> 105. Lim Swee Ling, Singapore, 09 September 1998
> 106. Lee Yan Chin, Singapore,10 Sep 98 - Seize the day!
> 107. Koh Kah Kiong, Singapore, 10 Sep 98 - see you:)
> 108. Meng Huei, Singapore, 11 Sep 1998 - :)
> 109. Wai Fun, Singapore, 9-11-98 Hello, World! Fate brought us together.
> *8)
> 110. Katherine, Singapore, 11 Sep 1998 - hmmmmm...this is interesting!
> 111. Adam J.C. Lok, Singapore, 11 Sep'98 It's SMaLL WOrLD afterall...
> 112. Sandy C, Singapore, 14 Sep 98 - This is cool.C'mon everyone, get
> connected to the world now!
> 113. Veronica Kusnadi, Indonesia, 9-14-98 -Cool.wait for you to come back!!
> 114. Honny Kandany, Jakarta, Indonesia, 14/9/98 -Keep this going...and
> going
> 115. Rosalina, Surabaya, Indonesia, Sep 14, 98 -Yeah,why not! thanks, Hon!
> 116. Hendy, Bandung, Indonesia, Sep 15, 98 - this is cool ! Keep it
> going, til you get yours back !
> 117. Lien, Twin City, Minnesota,USA, Sep.14,98 -round and round we go.
> 118. Josephine, Arcadia, CA. USA, Sept.14, 1998 -Round the world
> in-----days? This is fun!!!!
> 119. Diane, San Diego, CA, USA, Oct 5, 1998 - well, I did my part!
> 120. jp, Alexandria VA, USofA, Oct 6,1998 - Hot potatoe!!
> 121. Shelby, Richmond, Va. USA, 10-6-98 (At last, a fun chain letter. Good
> wishes to all!)
> 122. Shannon, Blacksburg, VA USA, 10-7-98 (Hey everyone!!)
> 123. Suzanne, Salisbury, MD (and Lorton, VA) 10-7-98
> 124. Ashena, Salisbury, MD 10-7-98 THIS SEEMS SO INTERESTING!
> 125. Meghann, Reisterstown, MD 10-7-98
> 126. Christy Nicole Keen, MO, USA, 10-7-98 WOW!! this is kewl to see all
> the places it has been. The world is really such a small place!!
> 127. Tracy, Burbank, IL 10-7-98
> 128. Debbie, River Forest IL 10-8-98
> 129. Chris, Milwaukee, WI 10-8-98
> 130. Katie Northenscold, Milwaukee, WI, USA 10-8-98 This is actually
> cooler than regular forwards..right?
> 131. Stacey Allbee, St. Paul, Minnesota: Keep this messege going.
> 132. David Yeiter, Ft. Hood, Texas, USA 10-13-98: Have fun with this
> everyone. Keep cool- Peace! aka Ka Wei
> 133. Patrick H. Riggs; U.S. SouthCom Miami, FL; 14 October 98; singapore
> ppl like this stuff huh =) ? Hello El Paso!
> 134. Shannon Kurlytis; Reno NV 14 October 1998..
> 135. Gina Worswick;Reno, NV Pretty cool Plz keep it going EVERYONE!
> 136. Nancy, Piscataway, NJ October 26, 1998 ; )
> 137. Bette Jo, South Plainfield, NJ 10-27-98-Let this fly on Angels wings
> !!
> 138. Scott M. Piscataway, NJ 10/28/98 Pretty cool!!!
> 139. Lisa Mt. Laurel, NJ 29 Oct 1998.
> 140. Gregg, Linden, NJ 10/29/98-
> 141. Rick W.Fairless Hills Pa. Oct.30,1998 -
> 142. Alma, San Jose, CA, Oct 30, 1998.....it's fantastic! Keep it going
> 143. Jared, Ukiah, Ca...Oct. 30, 1998 =OT
> 144. Naomi, Syracuse NY, Oct 31 .. Im The 1st on HALOWEEN!! :o)
> 145. Michelle, Poughkeepsie, N.Y...Sent on Oct.31st...Was so cool to
> see #20 on the list is from Poughkeepsie also. Hmmm small world!
> 146. Howard, Lake Carmel, NY... near the end of Haloween night :)
> 147. Donna, Brewster,NY Nov 1st.. I'm the first inNovember...
> 148. Sue, Parsippany, NJ Nov.1st...
> 149. Debbie, Harrisonville, Mo. Nov 1 1998.......May God Bless all
> those that this reaches and, their families
> 150. Bill, Bryan Texas, Nov 1st,1998.......
> 151. Jack, Bryan Texas, Nov 1st,1998.........
> 152. Susie, Bryan Texas, Nov 1st, 1998.......Prettycool...peace all!
> 153. Tiffany Bell, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Nov 1,1998.....keep
> 154. Kris Bell, Dallas, TX November 2, 1998...
> 155. Holly Lopez, Dallas, Tx, Nov. 3, 1998...
> 156. Nicci A., Dallas, TX, Nov. 6, 1998...
> 157. Megan Eads Richardson, TX 11/6/98-
> 160. Jacque Y. Abilene TX 11/6/98-
> 161. Wendy Daniel Abilene TX 11/7/98- SMILE :)
> 162. Damon Berry Abilene TX 11/8/98 (Available)
> 163. Kelli Berry:-) Keller, TX 11/8/98(hey...someone e-mail this to me
> when it gets to like, 300....Tigger060 @yahoo.com)
> 164. Becky Middleton, Abilene, TX 11/9/98---
> 165. Roger Garland, Texas 11/10/98
> 166. Aaron DeSoto, Texas 11/10/98
> 167. Paul, Dallas, TX USA 11/10/98
> 168. Laura, Southlake, TX 11/11/98
> 169. Janie, Plano, TX 11/11/98
> 170. Harold, Mesquite, TX 11/14/98
> 171, Martha, Rowlett, TX 11/14/98 Go with God.
> 172. Robert, Nashport, OH 11/14/98
> 173. Scott Nicodemus, Covington, Ohio,
> 174. Glen Foutz, Piqua , Ohio - GO BROWNS!!
> 175. Debbie, Sheffield Village Ohio ,11/15,98. This has been
> 176. Pam Bless Whiteland, IN 11/15/98 Too neat!!!!
> 177. Jean - Phoenix, Ariz 11/15/98 Chilly? C'Mon down! 80 desgrees today!!
> 178. Kathy Shea - Gilbert, Arizona, 11/16/98 --
> 179. Mary Lynn D'Aubin, Scottsdale Ariz 12/1/98 where do we go from here?!!
> 180. Bonnie & the Labradors, Binghamton, NY 12-1-98...
> 181. Barb, Snohomish, WA, USA, 12/1/98
> 182. Keith & Janice, WA, USA 12-2-98 Merry Christmas to all!!
> 183. Gayle, Renton, WA 12/3/98
> 184. Laurel, Vancouver,WA 12/3/98 - Hope this gets to India and my
> friends at Arya Niwas Hotel
> 185. Beccy and Shawn, Seoul, Korea (formerly from Kent, Wa), 12/4/98
> 186. Thomas Amador, Kent, WA 12/4/98
> 187. Jeff "Jefe" Turner, Capitol Hill, Seattle 12/4/98
> 188. Pip, Darwin, Australia, 5 December 1998.
> 189. Janette, Sydney, Australia, 5/12/98
> 190. Jim, Blue Springs,Mo. 12/6/98
> 191. Rhonda, Denver Co, 12/6/98 Happy Holidays everyone, and GO BRONCOS!
> 192 Mick Gadd Canterbury, England, United Kingdom
> 193. Sue C, Devon, England
> 194. Betty Fitz. Springfield, Massachusetts, USA
> 195. Jess Hafer - Longmeadow MA USA
> 196. Timothea, Florence, South Carolina
> 197. Al, White Rock, South Carolina 12/9/98
> 198. Christine, Columbia, South Carolina 12/9/98
> 199. DJ3 - Florence, SC 12-13-98
> 200. Jenn-Florence, South Carolina GO Gamecocks and Go Buffalo Bills
> 201. Tom, Brussels Belgium Merry Christmas ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
> 202. Blithe and Bill, Henniker, NH and Baku,Azerbaijan 12/23/98 "God
> Bless Us, Everyone! Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 203. Wanda Wood, Keene, New Hampshire 12/26/98
> 204. Alex Galbraith, Inverkip, Scotland 27/12/98
> 205. Peter Wilson, Greenock, Scotland 27/12/98
> 206. Stuart Edwards Nr Newport in good old South Wales. U.K. 17/12/98.
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to the past and future readers of
> this experiment.
> 207. Clive Billson. 28th December, Nottingham UK.Happy New Year!
> 208. George - Happy New Year to all! Long Beach, NY USA 28 Dec 98
> 209. The Carter Family--Count down to the new Millenium! LB, NY 12-28-98
> 210. Ellen :), Long Beach, NY - 28 December 1998 - Happy New Year!!!
> 211. Sharon, Jeff & Spacey Brooklyn, NY 12-29-98 HaPpY nEw
> YeAr!!J-E-T-S!!!!
> 212. Jen Crivello - Milwaukee, WI - January 4, 1999
> 213. Lesa - Milwaukee, WI - January 4, 1999
> 214. T.J. Baltimore, MD 1/4/99 "that's my old dorm number at Penn State!"
> 215. Lynda & Steve, Pittsburgh, PA - January 8, 1999
> 216. Ernie, Tuna, Skunk, Bat, Brillo, C&B,Pittsburgh, PA-Jan 16,1999
> 217. Stephanie, North Hollywood, CA - January 16, 1999
> 218. Mark, Nancy, Rebeccah, Hannah, & Benjamin-Newburgh, IN- 1-23-99
> 219. Rob , Pittsburg, CA - 01/24/99 (Go Niners in 99!!!)
> 220. Michelle, Pittsburgh, Pa. 01/25/99
> 221. Michael & Sole, Wa. State 01/25/99 Hopes it comes back to US!!!!!
> 222. Mike & Sue, Syracuse NY 01/25/99 Babalu28 @AOL.com ILUVBABALU @AOL.com
> 223. Joan ~ Long Island, NY ~ 01/25/99
> 224. Alene; Grandview, MO; 1-27-99 (Wow This list's been around! teehee)
> 225. RICHARD- WHITELAKE,MI- AER664 @AOL.COM 1-27-98
> 226. Shari - Waterford, MI - 01/27/99
> 227. Brett - Clinton Township, MI - 01/28/99 - Greetings to ALL from
> HOCKEYTOWN, USA (Detroit, that is)! GO WINGS!LIDSTROM ROCKS!
> 228. Theresa, Hamtramck, MI- 01/28/99
> 229. Barbara Kamin and Family, Suisun City,California 01/29/99 (GO
> 49rs)Let's see how far this goes...
> 230. Jen and Ray Prentice and family, Ft Worth, TX (Go Broncos)1-30-99
> 231. Steve Helms and family, Lake Dallas TX 1/31/99
> 232. Kim and Family, Ft. Worth, TX (Nascar Rules) 1/31/99
> 233. Mike - Broken Arrow, OK 01/31/1999
> 234. Peter-Ft.Lauderdale,Fl. 2/4/99
> 235. Tracy- Lebanon, Pa. 2/4/99 (near Hershey, as in the chocolate!)
> 236. Cyndi-Houston, TX 2/4/99 (Peace, man)
> 237. Mickey, Long Island, NY 2/5/99
> 238. Ginny, Westbrook, CT USA Feb. 08, 1999
> 239. Brenda, Rye Brook, NY USA 2/9/1999
> 240. Chuck (JimK), Rockville, MD, USA 3/3/99
> 241. Penny (Pussnboots), Apopka, FL USA 3/3/99
> 242. Marie (Bee), Bakersfiled, CA USA 3/4/99
> 243. Karen (fan) abingon, pa usa 3/4/99
> 244. Patti, Warrington PA 3/5/1999
> 245. Susie, Hummelstown, PA 3/11/99 OK, JimK, I did this JUST for you Hun!
> 246. Jay, (Icom72)Fort Walton Beach Fl.3/99 why is nobody making comments
> 247 Stacey (Stace) Fort Walton Beach FL 3/12/99 ...
> 248 Beth Cunningham so.China ME 3/16/99 God Bless
> 249 Becca Coates, Chesapeake VA 3/16/99
> 250 Eli, Groton, CT 3/17/99 anyone else sick of the cold yet?? BRRRRR
> 251. Clarence & Dianna -- Cartagena, Colombia, South America 3/17/99
> Hope I get it back this time after many miles.
> 252. The Adams family of Winnemucca, Nevada. Fun! Keep going!
> 253. Robin Loder, Carson City, NV 3/18/99 Fascinating!
> 254. Rachel, Gardnerville, Nevada, USA 3/19/99
> 255. Evelyn, Redding, CA, USA 4/2/99--Ok, so I never check my e-mail!!!!
> 256. Robert Michie, Sacramento, CA 4/4/99 Happy Easter. Hey Tiff, Hey
> Carol.
> 257. Colleen Baker, Orangevale, CA 4/6/99 Keep the peace. Pass it on.
> 258. Brooke, Oklahoma City, OK 4/6/99 Jeff Gordon RULES!! :)
> 259. Jim, (Topjimmy) Toledo, OH 4/7/99 Dale Earnheart is Da MAN!!!
> 260. Jean (spunky88) Atlanta GA.4/7/99 Dale Jarrett Rules in 1999!!
> 261. Grant (GrumpyOne) Mills, Sydney Australia. 4-8-99. Long live e-mail :)
> 262. Dee (Kaye) Naples, Florida, USA April 7, 1999. This is interesting.
> Best wishes to ALL!!!
> 263. Karen Ogram (KarenO) Kennett Square, Pennsylvania, USA April 8,1999
> What in the world would we do without email?? LOL :)
> 264. Danette,Danene,Duane, & Dorene Allentown, Pa. soon to be Crossville,
> Tn.
> 4-8-99 I wasn't going to do this but then I looked at all the places. It's
> cool! Keep it going. #364 email me the4dees @aon.net
> 265. David & Linda PA 4/9/99
> 266. Summer Allentown Pa 4-19-99
> 267. Wes Chapman (Lakeside, CA.) 19 April 1999
> 268. Marge Neber (Lakeside, Ca) 4/20/99 God Bless......GO PADRES
> 269 Marie V. Dibble, Cape Coral, FL. USA 4/30/99 (May the world be at
> peace.}
> 270 Rose Starnes, Middletown, N. J. USA 4/30/99......God Bless
> 271. Sassisme3, Cincinnati, Ohio USA 30 April 1999...Happy Mother's Day!
> 272. Whiteduv36,Nebraska,May 2,1999 Prayers for u all.
> 273. Barbara Harrison, Omaha, NE, May 12, 1999 - Stay healthy and happy! :)
> 274. Cantrell home, Broomfield, Colorado USA (just outside of Denver)
>275. Bob & Robin Young, Boise, IDAHO. May 13,1999 (fax me to the moon)
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:48:47 +0200
From: Christel Knorrn <christel.knorrn @BERTELSMANN.DE>
Subject: Amsterdam 10 .-13.6.
Hello list,
I Will be with a friend in Amsterdam from 10th to 13th of june.
Does anyone knows a nice and really cheap accomodation ?
Are there any special milongas during this time which are not to find in the
Internet?
Kind regards
Christel
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