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There are 9 messages totalling 286 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Good embrace does it all so well.
2. Video taping workshops
3. tango dancing north of San Francisco - on the coast
4. Daniel Lapadula workshops
5. Tango By The Bay
6. Tango Activities in San Francisco & environs
7. Metin Yazir in New York - final details
8. Worshop for DJ / Rencontre pour DJ - Tangofolies 99
9. Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly Executed"
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:58:15 -0400
From: "Donald M. Kelley" <don.kelley @ATT.NET>
Subject: Good embrace does it all so well.
Dear Server List,
Matej Oresic's comment of 99 May 3, that a good embrace is a must for
"leading when the man helps the lady in pivots (ochos, and in particular
turns) and in controling the weight changes, by holding her slightly up. I
really mean slightly, because this technique doesn't require any special
physical strength, but it does require a good embrace, as well as a well
grounded lady... This also helps men to keep the posture (it's a must in
fast turns) and makes the lead clearer (particularly useful in fast milonga
syncopations). Obviously, this technique is harder to apply in a very loose
open frame."
So true; it is obvious but so difficult for those under 40. Don K.
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:40:09 EDT
From: Norberto Alvarez <AlvarezN @AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Video taping workshops
I strongly agree with the idea of videotaping workshop. Certainly doing it
during the workshop is very difficult but it can be done at the end of the
workshop. In a workshop with Fabian Salas we were not allowed to videotape
during the workshop however at the end of the workshop some of the advance
students repeat the step and we filmed then. Interesting enough not everyone
could repeat the information presented inthe workshop. Fabian was still
around at this time and we persuaded him to repeat with one student the step
presented, mostly information about the counterconsigna, which is hard to
understand at first. It was only 10 minutes of exercises, and reviewing the
tape is helping me a lot. I think the promoter should ask for this type of
help. These teachers are getting good money in USA, I think we have the right
to request it and if they refused do not invite them. There are so many good
teachers that it would not be difficult to find a few ones that will be
sensitive to our needs. The fact is that we do not have models in USA. The
milongas here do not have the number and the quality of the dancers as in Bs.
As. then it is difficult to learn to much outside workshops and some local
teachers. I think if promoters get serious about this issue we will be able
to have a hard copy of the material presented.
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:40:45 -0700
From: kikki rusth <hikikki @YAHOO.COM>
Subject: tango dancing north of San Francisco - on the coast
We are travelling down the US coast, dancing tango along the way. Does
anybody know of places between Florence and San Francisco on or near
the coast where we could dance? Kikki and Gail
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:55:50 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Daniel Lapadula workshops
Daniel Lapadula, a well-known dancer and teacher from Buenos Aires will be
giving workshops this weekend in San Francisco.
Saturday, 2:30-5:00 pm: Tango and Vals
Sunday, 1:00 - 3:30 pm: Tango and Milonga
Both events will take place at Studio 204, 3435 Army St. (aka Cesar
Chavez St.)
I wasn't told the cost, but other printed information says that it will be
$35 in advance (415-776-9373) , $40 at the door.
This is a public service announcement/no financial interest.
_________________________________________________________
Steve Hoffman
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:13:32 -0700
From: Al & Barbara <batango @SLIP.NET>
Subject: Re: Tango By The Bay
Dear List,
San Francisco's grand ball of the year, Tango By The Bay, will be held
July 10, following Nora's Tango Week, at the Ramada Plaza Hotel in the City
at Market and 8th. Dancing to the New York Tango Trio and a tango floor
show will entertain you, with a light buffet for sustenance. Tickets are
$40 in advance for Aficionado members of BA Tango and participants of Tango
Week, $45 in advance for others, $50 at the door. Mark your calendars and
stay tuned for further information. If you would like to receive a flier in
the mail, please send your snail mail address.
Barbara Garvey for BA Tango
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Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 12:00 AM
Subject: TANGO-L Digest - 11 May 1999 to 12 May 1999
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:26:42 -0700
From: Al & Barbara <batango @SLIP.NET>
Subject: Tango Activities in San Francisco & environs
A newly updated Activities List has been posted to the BA Tango website
http://www.slip.net/~batango/home.htm for the San Francisco Bay Area. As
usual, there is a surfeit of riches for your dancing pleasure. If anyone
has additional updates please let us know!
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Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 12:00 AM
Subject: TANGO-L Digest - 11 May 1999 to 12 May 1999
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:10:36 EDT
From: Jack Karako <JKarako @AOL.COM>
Subject: Metin Yazir in New York - final details
Hello tango lovers=E2=80=A6=7F=7FFinally , Metin Yazir - who is a great dan=
cer /=20
teacher - is coming back to New York and has a stable schedule and will be=20
teaching in New York starting June 1st.=7F=7FMetin wants to keep the class s=
ize=20
limited, so please register early.=7FFor registration or if you have questio=
ns=20
please call 212 641 8859 or e-mail me at=7FJkarako @bailatango.com=7F=7FHere =
are the=20
details (also at http://www.bailatango.com/nysch.htm )=7F=7FLocation:=20
"International Dance Center" @ Carnegie Hall, 154 West 57th St. 9th=20
Floor=7F(Please note that this location& schedule is different than what was=20
previously announced)=7F=7FJune 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd=7FTuesdays 7:30 - 8:30=20
Beginners Tango=7FTuesday 8:30 - 9:30 Advanced Couples (by permission)=7F=7F=
June=20
9th , 16th, 23rd , 30th =7FPlease note Wednesday classes will begin on June =
9th=20
=7FWednesday 7:30 -8:30 Intermediate =7FWednesday 8:30 -9:30 Tango/Vals/Milo=
nga=20
Technique=7FWednesday 9:30 -10:30 Tango Steps Challenge=7F=7FPricing:=7FOne =
Lesson (4=20
hours) $ 60/Month=7FTwo Lessons (8 Hours) $ 90/Month=7FAll Lessons *(16 Hour=
s)=20
$100/Month=7FTwo hour Monday workshops (8 Hours) $100/Month=7F=7F* Two hour =
Monday=20
workshop not included.=7F =7FHe will also be available for private lessons, =
feel=20
free to contact me if you'd like to book private lessons with him.=7F=7F
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:20:07 +0200
From: marie-lorraine bontron <mlb @DMTSUN2.EPFL.CH>
Subject: Worshop for DJ / Rencontre pour DJ - Tangofolies 99
Pass this message on to your favourite DJ ...
Message a transmettre a votre DJ prefere ...
To animate a milonga is an art and the choice of music is essential in =
creating the atmosphere of a milonga. As part=20
of the Tangofolies 99 Fetsival, there will be a workshop organised =
specifically for DJ's. The participants can=20
follow 2 presntations given by Esteban Moreno, and share their =
experiences in 3 workshops/discussion groups run by=20
Daniel Montangero (Zurich). The eventual goal of this workshop will be =
the creation of a double CD.
Animer une milonga est tout un art, et le choix de la musique est =
essentiel pour creer l'ambiance d'une soiree.=20
Dans le cadre du festival Tangofolies 99, un workshop est specialement =
organise pour les DJ.=20
Les participants pourront suivre 2 s=E9minaires, donn=E9s par Esteban =
Moreno, et partager leurs experiences lors de 3=20
ateliers-discussions anim=E9s par Daniel Montangero (Zurich). Un but est =
donn=E9 =E0 cette rencontre de DJ, celui de=20
compiler un double CD.
Horaires / Timetable
Samedi 22 mai=20
11h00 - 12h30: Cours avec Esteban Moreno
17h00 - 18h30: Atelier - discussion
Dimanche 23 mai
18h00 - 19h30: Atelier - discussion
Lundi 24 mai
12h00 - 13h30: Cours avec Esteban
13h45 - 15h15: Atelier - discussion=20
Prix du workshop/Price for the worksop: 80.- SFr
Inscription
http://www.tangofolie.ch
ou email a inscription @tangofolie.ch
PS: There are still places available for all courses and balls of the =
festival
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:12:00 -0400
From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV>
Subject: Skill Level: Definition of "Correctly Executed"
Hello List:
I appreciate the animated discussion over my suggested rating
system. A number of people wanted to know what I meant by
correctly.
First, Tango is a dance of passion and can't be reduced to
merely steps. (I know instructors who just teach steps and
then expect men to lead, usually with disappointing results.)
I chose figures as the determining factor for levels because I
considered it the easiest factor. Either you can or you can't
execute a parada, mordita, etc. Regardless of what you think
of your own skill level, if a man can't find the woman's foot
for a mordita, he can't do it, period. If a woman can't pivot
while doing ochos, the woman can't do ochos, period.
Second, my definition of correctly is that the execution feels
correct to both the man and woman. The man can tell if the
woman executed what he intended. The woman can feel is she
executed the figure without hesitation and with confidence. If
either the man OR woman have difficulty, the figure hasn't
been executed correctly. I'm not going into a "blame game"
because that's a definite loser. I just tell the woman "That
didn't work. I wonder what I did wrong." More often than not,
the woman will be sympathetic and will ask what I wanted and
to try again. I appreciate the feedback and the woman
appreciates the opportunity to try again. This is a win-win
solution instead of finding fault and losing a partner
forever.
Keeping time with music is also important but difficult to
judge, which is why I didn't include it as a measuring stick.
I left out decorations because I wanted to emphasize
technique. I've seen too many men execute figures women
couldn't perform for whatever reason. WOMEN ARE MORE
INTERESTED IN TECHNIQUE THAN DECORATIONS!!! That was a
surprise to me but that's what my partners tell me. I'm
sure most are familiar with the Argentine expression:
4 legs
2 Bodies
1 Heart
WOMEN WANT MEN TO DANCE WITH THEIR HEART, NOT WITH THEIR
HORMONES.
I hope I've answered the questions. The responses have been
informative. Now, if there was a way I could get words like
parada and mordita through spell check.
Michael Ditkoff
Washington, DC
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