Tango-L mailing list archive: Digest 7 May 1999 to 8 May 1999

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Digest from 7 May 1999 to 8 May 1999

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There are 6 messages totalling 399 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Are dancers Tango-concert muzzle? 2. Rotating Partners :-) or :-( ? 3. Fabulous Sexteto Canyengue: Baden CH 14th of may 4. R: Rotating Partners :-) or :-( ? 5. "Tangoing" Touring, Daniela & Armando Teaching 6. 23. Mai Gran Tangosalon with Tango Andorinha Sextett in Stuttgart

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:43:50 +0200 From: Peter Niebert <Peter.Niebert @IMAG.FR> Subject: Re: Are dancers Tango-concert muzzle? Jochen Herdel writes: > Speaking for myself: What's first is the music. IMHO, this is what it SHOULD be like! But I know that there are many dancers - even professional dancers - entering the dance for other reasons. What is nevertheless interesting to observe is that some of them later discover that yes, what's first is the music. The music is the soul of the Tango. But when you fall in love with someone (the Tango), maybe you initially do not know why. > When the fabulous Sexteto Canyengue was playing in Heidelberg & Karlsruhe > last month, I was listening and watching both times to feel and understand > every note, each syncope... I virtually sucked all the music in. It was so > very very good. > It would have been disapointing to dance to that wonderful > music, to have to deal with all the other folks around, to have to > concentrate on so many other things instead of just inhaling the music. ... for me this is very different. In dancing to the music, I hear more of the subtleties, I participate. I do not notice the crowd around at all. I am with my partner and the musicians. Dancing to live music -- and in particular with an orchestra as good as the Sexteto Canyengue -- is a very different experience than dancing to CDs. I believe what you say means that you are still very busy (and thus mentally distracted) in dealing with navigation, collision avoiding etc.. This will disappear with experience. Eventually, it will not play a role. > The best followers are the ones who feel the music (the way I do) and > understand my lead's relationship to the music. To dance with those ladies > is like magic. Others may know the steps and do them perfectly as well, > but it's simply not the same. They don't (know how to) listen to the > music. Ladies, read this! First of all, listen to the music! Good dancing :-) Peter

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:53:36 +0200 From: Alexis Cousein <al @BRUSSELS.SGI.COM> Subject: Re: Rotating Partners :-) or :-( ? Stephen P Brown wrote: > I find it significant that for a recent week-long intensive and advanced > course that Gustavo Naveira and Olga Besio offered through Daniel Trenner's > Bridge to the Tango, all participants were required to attend with a partner > with whom they were prepared to spend 80 percent of their class time > dancing. That 80% figure seems to be a good compromise. Other things I've seen that usually work are rotations where you always return to your 'usual' partner after one rotation (so that makes it 50%), and of course, practicing with other partners *after* the class (but then, of course, you don't have the teacher at hand to better understand the problems you may encounter). Even totally random rotations seem to work pretty well in a setting where most of the people know each other -- it seems we all know on who to inflict our dancing once we get to know each other ;). [Switching to a pure leader's perspective now] But to be honest, I find it *very* interesting to dance with followers that are slightly more hesitant than my usual partners -- your incorrect lead will invariably be exposed more clearly; an experienced follower has a nasty tendency to always keep her balance ;), and while there are followers who are alert to 'feeling' when a move feels *completely* OK, others will silently adjust. Come to think of it, in this latter respect, there is a tendency with followers to express vague feelings about "this doesn't feel quite right HERE" only with the usual dancing partner, and to silently adjust with others, so that makes totally random rotation hard even when *everyone* is more experienced. -- Alexis Cousein (at home) Systems Engineer Silicon Graphics Belgium NV/SA E-mail: al @brussels.sgi.com Office Tel.: +32 2 6790050

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:11:20 +0200 From: pstarm <petra.starmans @SPECTRAWEB.CH> Subject: Fabulous Sexteto Canyengue: Baden CH 14th of may Dear Tango-L Dancing to the music, what can be more beautiful than that.... > When the fabulous Sexteto Canyengue was playing in Heidelberg & = Karlsruhe > last month, I was listening and watching both times to feel and = understand > every note, each syncope... I virtually sucked all the music in. = It was so > very very good. For those of you who like to suck in some more of this wonderful = music of Dutch Sexteto Canyengue, be it listening or dancing, we are = very proud to have them with us on Friday the 14th of may, in Baden, = Switzerland, in the Halle 36, ABB, Bruggerstrasse..... Doors open 19.00, nice latinamerican food concert begin 20.30, ball 21.30 until 03.00 good DJs show performance by Cecilia Gonzalez and Milo Luis S. Quadros Entrance fee CHF 40.- /30.- (students). Reservations ++ 41 56 222 75 74 (Historical Museum Baden) Information ++ 41 56 667 11 46 (Heinz and petra) Hope you will come, and have these magic dances Jochen has been = describing so well.... lavable- tango argentino Petra Starmans Heinz Schneebeli ___________ GERMAN VERSION_________________ Liebe Tango-L Mitglieder Wirklich zur Musik, in der Musik zu tanzen, gibt's noch Sch=F6neres = im Leben? > When the fabulous Sexteto Canyengue was playing in Heidelberg & = Karlsruhe > last month, I was listening and watching both times to feel and = understand > every note, each syncope... I virtually sucked all the music in. = It was so > very very good. F=FCr diejenige unter euch, welche auch oder nochmal diese wunderbare = Musik des holl=E4ndischen Sexteto Canyengue 'reinziehen' m=F6chten, = zuh=F6rend oder und vor allem tanzend: Wir sind besonders stolz sie = am Freitag, den 14. Mai in Baden, Schweiz (zwischen Basel und = Z=FCrich) bei uns zu haben: Halle 36 / ABB-Areal Bruggerstrasse 5400 Baden T=FCr=F6ffnung 19.00, Bar und Restaurant mit gutem = Lateinamerikanischem Essen Konzertbeginn um 20.30 anschliessend Ball bis 03.00 Uhr gute DJs Showauftritt Cecilia Gonzalez und Milo Luis S. Quadros Eintritt CHF 40.- /30.- (Studenten). Reservationen ++ 41 56 222 75 74 (Historisches Museum Baden) Information ++ 41 56 667 11 46 (lavable - Tango Argentino, heinz und = petra) Wir hoffen, ihr kommt und findet zu diesen magischen Tangos, welche = Jochen so sch=F6n und treffend beschrieben hat... ____________________________________ petra starmans tobelwegli 67 5616 meisterschwanden switzerland tel/fax: +41 56 667 11 46 e-mail: petra.starmans @spectraweb.ch

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:16:28 +0200 From: "Gabriella C. Marino" <gcmarino @IOL.IT> Subject: R: Rotating Partners :-) or :-( ? In my opinion rotating partners is a good thing when you turn up for a class without a partner, that way at least if you get stuck with someone below or way above your level or with someone you don't like you will only have to suffer until the next rotation. It was also good for my husband and I during a class in Almagro in Buenos Aires because we got to dance with the locals and meet people to dance with later on during the milonga. However, if I'm required to rotate during a workshop and can't find anyone satisfying, I'll ignore the rule and dance with my husband the rest of the time. Gabriella Parma, Italy

Messaggio originale----- Da: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG> A: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Data: giovedl 6 maggio 1999 21.11 Oggetto: Rotating Partners :-) or :-( ? > JC wrote: >>I would NOT attend a class, workshop, or intensive weekend or week where it >>was commonplace for instructors to not rotate their students. Steve de Tejas wrote: >Rotating partners solves some problems, but it creates many others. ... For most of the class >we both had partners who could barely execute the most basic steps. We learned very little tango.

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 04:16:55 +0000 From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM> Subject: "Tangoing" Touring, Daniela & Armando Teaching I've just heard that the show "Tangoing" is still touring. I really enjoyed it. At least two of the couples impressed me as the very best I've ever seen. It has the usual independent set pieces with the usual themes, which were a lot of fun. Even more enjoyable, the second half is set in a "practice studio" with the dancers in street & exercise clothes. Although as tightly choreographed & well-danced as the first half, of course, it gave the illusion of peeking behind the scenes, seeing the dancers loosen up, experiment, & show off some of their specialties. If you get a chance to see it, don't miss it! _____________________________________________________________________ Some (perhaps all) of the five couples are also teaching wherever the show goes. I have only taken classes from Daniela & Armando, who organized "Tangoing," so they're the only ones I can comment about. I highly recommend them. They both speak excellent English, & I believe that Daniela speaks Italian & Armando French. They've very clear & organized without being rigid. They focus on essential technique & simple but useful patterns as well as the more complex & showier figures that a lot of us love. And they seem to really care about teaching, & about teaching everyone who comes, even the most naive beginners & the occasional impatient or clumsy would-be dancer. Larry de Los Angeles http://home.att.net/~larrydla ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 17:36:05 +0200 From: Schulz Johannes <j.schulz @STR.DAIMLER-BENZ.COM> Subject: 23. Mai Gran Tangosalon with Tango Andorinha Sextett in Stuttgart

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Date: 23.05.99 Begin: 21:00 Entrance: 28.00 / 25 DM Frist Tango Andorinha will be a group playing well dancing Tango music! After a Salon in Berlin, Jochen a member of the Tango- list wrote about the musicians: - Juergen Karthe (Bandoneon - very virtuous, playing everything by heart) - Peter Reil (Bandoneon - relaxed and concentrated in one) - Fabian Klentzke (Piano - very very well!) - Norbert Wahren (Bass - the underlying driving force) - Joane Tobisch (Violin - excellent! virtuous! charming!) - Klaus Koepernik (Violin - perfect duet partner for Joane) More information: Johannes Schulz 0711/6364827 e-mail: johannes @tangoplaza.com Hope to see you! Johannes

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