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There are 11 messages totalling 440 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Follower's Voice In Tango (2)
2. Searching mailing list server (2)
3. Are dancers Tango-concert muzzle?
4. St Louis
5. (fwd) Are dancers Tango-concert muzzle?
6. tango music
7. Boston, MA, USA: Argentine Tango Dance Party
8. DANCE TANGO IN NY
9. Follower's Voice
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:20:43 +0200
From: Peter Niebert <Peter.Niebert @IMAG.FR>
Subject: Re: Follower's Voice In Tango
Colin Brace writes:
> I too find it tremendously stimulating to dance with "experienced"
> partners; I enjoy the contribution they bring to the encounter by their
> response to the music. My only "misfortune" is that I am a little on the
> tall side (183 cm) for many of the "experienced" milongueras in BsAs; it
> is hard to get the same dynamic with a partner a head shorter. Obviously
> that is less of a problem in Europe, but then there are fewer older
> dancers here.
[...]
> Colin Brace <cbrace @lim.nl>
> Amsterdam
^^^^^^^^^
You fool ;-)
Why look versus BA from Amsterdam. I found that the milongueras of
Amsterdam are really special, young or old. They expose themselves,
they give a lot. Why? Don't know, but I guess that the Dutch society
allows them to be open and direct even with strangers, much opposite
to the French society, this jealous lot.
What a person has to "say" in Tango, for sure is experience, but is in
another way some deeper truth about herself. And for sure, musicality
is last a question of age! The difference between young and old often
is that the young try to disclose their personalities while the old
have no fear of showing themselves.
OK, maybe this is a "young" (32) point of view. To say a bit of the
opposite, Tango has taught me to look forward to become older and more
mature. With Tango, groing older is fun, at least in my age.
-- Peter
(Grenoble, France)
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 02:24:38 +0000
From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Follower's Voice In Tango
Tom Stermitz wrote
> what [those older milongueras offered] was a total involvement in the
> dance.... [Also] they responded to my musicality.... [And] there was a
> spectacular amplification of my energy. I noticed that...younger women
> ... often followed perfectly, but usually didn't have much to say.
I've noticed something similar, though with plenty of exceptions, and
in other dances besides tango. I'm not sure whether this is a real
phenomena,
however. Maybe it's simply that young women don't enjoy dancing with
someone
my age, hence their flat emotions. Or maybe it's just me, personally;
perhaps
I'm simply a boring dancer.
Assuming it IS real, why is it so? And more importantly, how can the lack
of
fire in younger women (& men) be changed?
Part of the "why" may be the extra years older women (& men) have spent
dancing, becoming more self-confident, discarding falsely high
expectations,
coming to focus on the more essential ("spiritual") parts of dancing, &
learning the basics so well that they are as natural as breathing.
The "how" is more difficult. You can't give "fire" or musicality to
someone
who doesn't have them, & there are some people who will never have them
no
matter how much experience they gain. And teachers can't quit working on
their students' technique; control of one's body & mastery of the better
ways of doing things is essential. It's like the rules of a language;
only
when we master them to the point that they become almost automatic can we
be really creative with language, to bend & break the rules when that
will
help us express ourselves better.
But teachers (& students) CAN add some things to our classes & our
practice.
One is more emphasis on music; teacher/students might use several
different
styles of music in our classes/practice sessions & focus on different
elements of the music & how it relates to specific techniques or figures
that we're working on.
Another thing could be focussing on the way different kinds of figures
can
make us feel. For instance, las Cunitas -- several forward/back rocking
steps, usually with pivots to the left or the right -- can give a tender,
gentle feel. A Corrida (a fast walk) can give a feeling of energy &
exhiliration (or anger). A Paseo (stroll) can give a feeling of
timelessness & contentment (or sadness).
Larry de Los Angeles
http://home.att.net/~larrydla
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:39:14 +0200
From: Garrit Fleischmann <fleischm @STUD.UNI-FRANKFURT.DE>
Subject: Searching mailing list server
Hello List,
I am thinking about creating a german tango mailing list
for info which are mostly of local interst, like searching
for dancing partners, or a place for sleeping after a milonga
and so on.
My problem is, that I have no idea how to run a Mailing list
server. So I would be greatfull if somoeone could give me
some hints about this topic, and even more greatful,
if someone could offer me some space on a list server.
The mailing list would be without any financial interest
on my part. I know that there are some offers in the web
for free Mailing-list servers, but they are all coupled
with advertisement mails (at least thats what I understand),
which I don't like too much.
So, if there is some tango lover out there who would like to
support this idea, please contact me:
tango @garrit.kpnet.de
Enjoy the Tango,
Garrit
________________________________________________________
Garrit Fleischmann
email: fleischm @uni-frankfurt.de
Witze: http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/~garrit/jokes.html
Tango: http://www.cyber-tango.com/
________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:53:02 -0400
From: Jacques Gauthier <salsa-m @LYCOSMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Searching mailing list server
Hi Garrit,
If you connect to the site:
http://www.onelist.com,
You can start your own mailing list for free. Some
members of Montreal's swing community has used
it to create their own mailing list.
Jacques G.
> Hello List,
>
> I am thinking about creating a german tango mailing list
> for info which are mostly of local interst, like searching
> for dancing partners, or a place for sleeping after a milonga
> and so on.
>
> My problem is, that I have no idea how to run a Mailing list
> server. So I would be greatfull if somoeone could give me
> some hints about this topic, and even more greatful,
> if someone could offer me some space on a list server.
>
> The mailing list would be without any financial interest
> on my part. I know that there are some offers in the web
> for free Mailing-list servers, but they are all coupled
> with advertisement mails (at least thats what I understand),
> which I don't like too much.
>
> So, if there is some tango lover out there who would like to
> support this idea, please contact me:
>
> tango @garrit.kpnet.de
>
> Enjoy the Tango,
>
> Garrit
>
>
> ________________________________________________________
> Garrit Fleischmann
> email: fleischm @uni-frankfurt.de
> Witze: http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/~garrit/jokes.html
> Tango: http://www.cyber-tango.com/
> ________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:52:37 +0200
From: Schulz Johannes <j.schulz @STR.DAIMLER-BENZ.COM>
Subject: Are dancers Tango-concert muzzle?
Hola list!
In Stuttgart (germany), I made the experince, that if there is a Tango
concert, only a very samll part of the dancers come to the event, but
nobody of the dancers will miss a big salon with Tango live music.
Rudolfo Monteroni for example, played last year in Stuttgart and the
frist part was a concert and the second part was for dancing. The
dancers came only for the second part and they missed a brillant concert
part.
I was in Buenos Aires October 1997 and I went to a Quinteto Real
concert, playing in the theatre San Martin. The theatre was nearly full,
but I saw nobody of the dancer's, which I saw at the milongas.
Are there similar experinces in other Tango communities?
Greetings
Johannes
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:29:44 -0500
From: Karen Whitesell <kglass @IPA.NET>
Subject: St Louis
For tango in St. Louis, call Roxanne at 314-490-2430 or Carter at
314-579-6880. They will love to hear from you.
Dance one for me,
Karen
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:51:58 GMT
From: Ed Loomis <edl @WCO.COM>
Subject: (fwd) Are dancers Tango-concert muzzle?
On Wed, 5 May 1999 12:52:37 +0200, Schulz Johannes
<j.schulz @STR.DAIMLER-BENZ.COM> wrote:
>Hola list!
>
>In Stuttgart (germany), I made the experince, that if there is a Tango
>concert, only a very samll part of the dancers come to the event, but
>nobody of the dancers will miss a big salon with Tango live music.
>Rudolfo Monteroni for example, played last year in Stuttgart and the
>frist part was a concert and the second part was for dancing. The
>dancers came only for the second part and they missed a brillant concert
>part.
>I was in Buenos Aires October 1997 and I went to a Quinteto Real
>concert, playing in the theatre San Martin. The theatre was nearly full,
>but I saw nobody of the dancer's, which I saw at the milongas.
>Are there similar experinces in other Tango communities?
>
>Greetings
>
>Johannes
Hello Johannes & List,
Speaking for myself, I avoid concerts because if the music turns
out to be very good and danceable then it is torture to sit in a chair
and listen to it. In Sacramento, California I have observed the same
phenomenon that Johannes describes. The cultural club in town, "Club
Internacional del Tango" will host concerts that may include
exhibition dancing but they never attend our milongas. The dancers in
town, "Sacramento Tango", have pr=E1cticas, classes, workshops, and
Milongas but are disinterested in events where we are not allowed to
dance. I thought this was an odd dichotomy when I first observed it
but it seems to be the way of things.=20
Ed Loomis
--=20
"People are like tea bags -- you have to put them in=20
hot water before you know how strong they are."
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:02:14 -0400
From: Fernandez Eduardo <efernandez @IUCNUS.ORG>
Subject: tango music
Johaness
What you says is very true. But shows also something else.
The fact that dancers in USA or Europe do not attend tango music concerts
shows that they still remain in the "visible" part of the tango culture,
that as we discussed before, is a whole culture: music, dance, lyrics,
ethics and moral, fashion and everything that you wants to add.
Regarding the BA context, not everybody likes dance, there are a lot of real
tangueros that never went to dance. They like the music, the lyrics, they
went to the cafes where orchestras plays. Only to listen and enjoying. No
dancing at all!!!
Remember that is only at the end of the '30, with D"Arienzo (1936/7) that
people did back to dance with furor.
So, for many people in BA, tango is still something that you enjoy through
the radio (taxi and track drivers), people working in small workshops, etc.
Finally, I do always feel that people that only dance tango are missing
something beautiful. There is nothing comparable of dancing with the music
but also enjoying the lyrics. And, if you know that the lyrics means in the
tango culture context, it's a plus.
So, enjoy tango in all the faces that the tango have. Don't get obsess with
dancing only...
Chau
Eduardo
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:31:23 +0100
From: Anne Atheling <atheling @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Boston, MA, USA: Argentine Tango Dance Party
Announcing a very special milonga sponsored by TV station WGBH, Channel
2 - the Public Broadcasting Station in Boston, MA, USA.
Event: WGBH Argentine Tango Dance Party
Date: Friday, June 18, 1999, 6:30pm-10pm
Place: Veronique Ballroom, Longwood Towers, Brookline, MA.
(Take the MBTA Green Line D train to Longwood or parking available at
Longwood Towers).
Admission: $60 each. Advance reservations required.
Description: WGBH invites you to dust off you dancing shoes for a hot
Argentine Tango Dance Party. Dance or listen to live music performed by
Amarcord - a pure party atmosphere with Argentine wine and refreshments.
The evening will include a sizzling Argentine Tango showcase and an
introductory lesson by members of The Tango Society of Boston, Inc.
Proceeds to benefit WGBH, Boston's public broadcaster.
Reservations/information:(617) 492-1623
Sponsored by Trapiche Wines.
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:43:43 EDT
From: David Alsina <TransTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: DANCE TANGO IN NY
Agrupacion "AMIGOS DEL TANGO" presents:
"A NIGHT OF BUENOS AIRES" with the conductor
FRANK VALIENTE and his TANGO ORCHESTRA.
If you like to dance Tango, do not miss it!
When: This Saturday, May 8, since 10 pm until breakfast.
Where: "IL CAMPANELLO" RISTORANTE
136 west, 31 st. Phone: 212-695-6111
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 03:02:08 +0200
From: Colin Brace <cbrace @LIM.NL>
Subject: Re: Follower's Voice
On 05/04/99 at 08:06 PM, Melinda Bates <tangerauna @earthlink.net> wrote:
> He was just back from BA and I asked if he danced with a lot of
> wonderful milongueras. He replied that yes the dancing was wonderful,
> but he always follows his father's advice: "Ask the old, plain ones to
> dance. The young and pretty ones don't have to be good dancers to get
> the attention. The old ones are better dancers."
> He said this works well for him, and the dancing was great.
I concur, there are usually a fair number of experienced milongueras in
the salons of BsAs patiently waiting to being asked, the majority of
their male counterparts involved in other pursuits, such as buzzing like
flies around the lastest blue-eyed, blonde-haired, tight-skirted arrival
from Europe, imploring her for an appointment to "tomar un caf=E9" with
the "logical" progression thereafter to the local hotel transitorio for
a "deep" tango experience.
Except of course on Saturday evenings, when everyone is on good
behavior.
--
Colin Brace <cbrace @lim.nl>
Amsterdam
NL
http://www.lim.nl/tango
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