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There are 14 messages totalling 919 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Best Milongas in Montreal? (2)
2. tango in alice et martin
3. ARGENTINE TANGO WORKSHOPS IN CHICAGO IN MARCH
4. (no subject)
5. Tango Bars
6. TANGO CONGRESS OF MIAMI BEACH
7. Events in Clubs/bars.
8. tango in july in sitges?
9. July 1999: TangoStadt Z=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=fcrich_Festival?=
10. Question for Followers/Comments re: tango milonguero (2)
11. "Tango" soundtrack
12. Reminder: Mpls. workshops
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 03:00:41 -0500
From: Jacques G <salsa-m @LYCOSMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Best Milongas in Montreal?
Hi David,
Many people in Montreal speak both french and english. Many of the
dancers in the Milongas of Montreal have taken workshops from both
english speaking teachers and spanish speaking teachers. I don't see
any problem with the language barrier there.
As a small parenthesis, I've been going to a Milonga in the Frankfurt
area for the last 3 weeks even though I don't speak much German.
If you know how to invite someone to a dance it may not be much but
it's still something.
That being said, the Tangueria is always a nice place to visit (if you don't
mind the smoke). Many of our neighbors from the U.S have visited it
and posted nice reviews on this list about it. The Academie de Tango
also has milongas on Friday nights.
Adresses:
Tangueria: 5390 St-Laurent Montreal
Academie de Tango Argentin: 4445 St-Laurent, Montreal
Tango Libre: 1650 Marie-Anne Est, Montreal
(All three above have Tango nights on Friday. I think that the Tangueria
and maybe Tango Libre also have Milongas on Thursday and Saturday as well).
It's been a while since I've been there as I've been in Germany the last few months.
You might want to call them and get the up to date Milonga Schedule.
Studio Tango: Near the corner of Bleury and Ste-Catherine (on Bleury).
It's facing a Cinema. (I forgot the door number). Their Milongas is on
Wednesday.
(If you're wondering, French is my first language).
Jacques G.
----
I'm wondering which milongas and practicas would be the best for
this Anglo / Californian, who has enough trouble with American
English even more with Quebecois French, to attend?
Thanks,
David
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:36:26 +0000
From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: tango in alice et martin
A dance scene with Alice & Martin was shot for this movie. See the web
site for Juliette Binoche (www.binoche.com, I believe) for details. I'm
sorry to hear the scene didn't end up in the movie.
Larry de Los Angeles
http://world.std.com/~larrydla
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:16:21 EST
From: Don Lavin <Dlpens @AOL.COM>
Subject: ARGENTINE TANGO WORKSHOPS IN CHICAGO IN MARCH
Robert Dronski and Kathleen Kreher, owners of Tango Nada Mas have asked me to
place the following notice on TANGO-L to announce upcoming workshops. Last
fall we were all shocked and delighted to witness the outstanding dancing of
Leandro Palou and Andrea Misse, two very young, but oh so poised and mature
Argentine Tango dancers from B.A. Anyone who read the reviews of Leandro
and Andrea in the past on Tango -L, know that they are very well respected
and sought after in the Tango community.
Leandro and Andrea are returning to Chicago for not one but TWO weekends of
workshops. If you ever considered taking Argentine Tango workshop NOW IS THE
TIME. You will not be disappointed.
Here is their schedule:
Friday, March 19 8-10:00 p.m.
Ochos and boleos (different kinds of ochos, how to lead them, technique for
boleos, how to lead and recognize them)
Saturday, March 20 1-3:00 p.m.
Turns (different kind of turns, how to carry the man, how to be carried, how
to lead them, how to understand them)
Friday, March 26 8-10:00 p.m.
Milonga
Saturday March 27 1-3 p.m.
Fantasia and musicality (taking moves impressive enough for the stage, and
giving them maximun musical impact)
Sunday March 28 1-3 p.m.
Embellishments for both men and women
Sunday March 28 4-6 p.m.
Vals Cruzada (back by popular demand)
COST:
1-2 workshops $35/class/person
3-4 workshops $30/class/person
5-6 workshops $25/class/person
ALL CLASSES ARE TO BE HELD AT: TANGO NADA MAS
6137 N. NORTHWEST
HIGHWAY
CHICAGO, IL 60631
FOR FURTHER INFO CALL: (773) 792-2099 or
EMAIL: bob @tangonadamas.com
Privates are also available. Don't miss this wonderful opportunity to learn
tango from two such wonderful dancers. And for those who are concerned their
have a language problem or a translator. Hope to see you there. Don Lavin
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:53:46 EST
From: "Donna Sotiropoulos To Listserv @Mitvma.Bitnet" <VERGAD @AOL.COM>
Subject: (no subject)
HI.
Are there any events in Paris on the 5th of April or after .
Any places to syey close by?
Adios
Donna Sptiropoulos
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:46:12 +0100
From: Peter Niebert <Peter.Niebert @IMAG.FR>
Subject: Re: Tango Bars
Phil Seyer writes:
> How can you stand the smoke?
> Or is it a smokeless bar?
Come on Phil, you MUST be joking! I always thought people go to a bar
to drink a fine beer and be merry with their friends. Drinking a
bottled beer (or dancing a lonely Tango) in the living room is just
not the same thing. What does this have to do with smoke?
He he, take that puff, feeble American!
I never smoked and do not particularly like the smoke produced by
smokers (sometimes it makes my eyes hurt). But I found that in the
Tango community (in Germany that is, in France there are many more
smokers in general) there is a comparatively large number of smokers.
And after some time of getting used to this fact all I can say is: I
do not care, let them smoke if they have to. There are things that
attract me more to these people than their smoking could drive me off.
I believe that there are much bigger risks to health than being
exposed to a little bit of smoke or even to smoke a little bit
yourself. And besides, here is more bad news for you: You are mortal.
IMHO, accepting or rejecting smokers is a cultural question rather
than a health concern. When looking for a nice place for a Milonga the
smoke is clearly not among my first concerns.
Peter
[PS: Because it matches the subject and since Stanley Kubrick has just
left us I cannot hold back my favourite joke concerning his movie
2001. If you do not remember the film and one of it most important
quotes, simply ignore this.
The last words heard of David Bowman as he entered LONDON:
"My god, it's full of bars!"]
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:09:59 EST
From: Frank Sasson <FRSASSON @AOL.COM>
Subject: TANGO CONGRESS OF MIAMI BEACH
Dear List:
CORRECTION CORRECTION CORRECTION
The correct telephone number is 1-800-998-3342
A typo gave the wrong telephone number,
or call Jorge Nel at (305) 446-9444
E mail is mrtango @bridge.net
Frank Sasson
Miami
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:17:58 -0700
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz @CSN.NET>
Subject: Re: Events in Clubs/bars.
> Given that a lot of dancers don't seem to drink much (at least when out
>dancing) and the proliferation of coffee houses/bars (in US cities at
>least), does the coffee house represent another possible venue for these
>types of informal events?
>
>It probably wouldn't go over in the big chain places, but there seem to be
>a lot of independent coffee bars that could use a boost in clientele,
>especially in off-peak hrs. The independents seem more likely to be in
>older, rehabbed spaces, which are often roomier & have wood floors, too.
>
>--
>Roger Ray
Tango feels just right in a nightclub atmosphere, but in Buenos Aires it is
often done in basketball stadiums, coffee shops, theaters, etc.
One problem with bars in most of the US is that liquor laws require early
closing...or maybe it is the puritan work ethic. Tango does tend to attract
a late night crowd, so it is nice to have some locations where you can stay
as long as the party wants to continue.
Here in Colorado the bars must close before 2:00 under strong supervision
by the police. We have had late parties in private homes, and have opened
up our little studio at midnight to dance longer.
Another nice venue we have is the German ethnic club (Denver Turnverein).
As club members we are able to organize our parties any way we like. We can
even purchase and choose the wine and beer at wholesale prices...not that
many people drink!
Tom Stermitz
2512 Clermont St
Denver, CO 80207
Chautauqua Publishing / Ragtime Interiors
"On-Line Arts & Crafts Movement Resource Directory."
(303) 388 - 2560
stermitz @ragtime.org
http://www.ragtime.org/ragtime/
http://www.tango.org/dance/
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:22:10 -0700
From: Brett Kraabel <kraabel @LANL.GOV>
Subject: tango in july in sitges?
Does anyone know if there is a tango event in Sitges near Barcelona this
summer? I heard of one in July a few years back, but I don't know if it
happens every year.
Thanks, Brett
Brett Kraabel
Los Alamos National Lab
MS - J 585
Los Alamos, NM 87545
(505) 667-9777 office
(505) 665-0853 lab
(505) 665-4817 fax
http://www.lanl.gov/users/u120770/public_html/index.html
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:28:00 -0500
From: Francoise Audebrand <audebran @DITER.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Best Milongas in Montreal?
Bonjour,
Sorry for my english.
There is an URL for Tango's place in Montreal :
http://www.generation.net/~tangueri/
It's the homepage for Tangueria where you can see
the "Les soirees de danse" which is the schedule for
Tango's evenings at the Tangueria :=20
Thuesday : pratica (one step to learn and dance)
Thursday : pratica (one step to learn and dance)
Friday : dance
Saturday : dance
Sunday : dance
and on the homepage there is a link to the others place in Montreal :
"LES AUTRES MILONGAS =C0 MONTREAL" (others milongas in Montreal)
Fran=E7oise
Jacques G a =E9crit :
>=20
> Hi David,
>=20
> Many people in Montreal speak both french and english. Many of the
> dancers in the Milongas of Montreal have taken workshops from both
> english speaking teachers and spanish speaking teachers. I don't see
> any problem with the language barrier there.
>=20
> As a small parenthesis, I've been going to a Milonga in the Frankfurt
> area for the last 3 weeks even though I don't speak much German.
> If you know how to invite someone to a dance it may not be much but
> it's still something.
>=20
> That being said, the Tangueria is always a nice place to visit (if you =
don't
> mind the smoke). Many of our neighbors from the U.S have visited it
> and posted nice reviews on this list about it. The Academie de Tango
> also has milongas on Friday nights.
>=20
> Adresses:
> Tangueria: 5390 St-Laurent Montreal
> Academie de Tango Argentin: 4445 St-Laurent, Montreal
> Tango Libre: 1650 Marie-Anne Est, Montreal
>=20
> (All three above have Tango nights on Friday. I think that the Tanguer=
ia
> and maybe Tango Libre also have Milongas on Thursday and Saturday as we=
ll).
> It's been a while since I've been there as I've been in Germany the las=
t few months.
> You might want to call them and get the up to date Milonga Schedule.
>=20
> Studio Tango: Near the corner of Bleury and Ste-Catherine (on Bleury).
> It's facing a Cinema. (I forgot the door number). Their Milongas is on
> Wednesday.
>=20
> (If you're wondering, French is my first language).
>=20
> Jacques G.
>=20
> ----
> I'm wondering which milongas and practicas would be the best for
> this Anglo / Californian, who has enough trouble with American
> English even more with Quebecois French, to attend?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> David
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:17:17 +0100
From: pstarm <petra.starmans @SPECTRAWEB.CH>
Subject: July 1999: TangoStadt Z=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=fcrich_Festival?=
Dear members of Tango-L
Europe's summer is filling up with wonderful festivals =
everywhere...which will make it hard to choose for every real tango =
addict... Why not have them all...
To offer you yet another choice, we would very much like to announce =
to you the great festival of TangoStadt Z=FCrich, Switzerland, taking =
place this summer from 2 - 11 July 1999.
Being an integral part of the annual Zurich Festspiele, the festival =
offers a very attractive overview over today's top-rate tango. Hardly =
to be missed.....
The concert program includes concerts by the famous Nuevo Quinteto =
Real (Salgan/Marconi/de Lio, playing in Club del Vino/Buenos Aires, =
for the first and maybe the last time in Europe), Buenos Aires' most =
popular Orchestra Colortango, the Rodolfo Mederos Quinteto and Dutch =
Sexteto Canyengue.
A must-see is the unique programm of high quality dance theatre with =
modern and traditional approaches to tango, including Roxana =
Grinstein Dance Company (Buenos Aires), Cie Quatz'arts/Catherine =
Berbessou (Paris), Nueva Compania Tangueros / Sexteto Canyengue =
(Italy/Argentina/Holland) and Palacio de la Danza/Theater Basel =
(Switzerland).
The city will be filling up with special events, 9 (!) ball nights =
and milongas, some of which including the above mentioned orchestras, =
tango in the streets, at the festival centre Theaterhaus =
Gessnerallee, on the Lake of Zurich and a free opening night with =
performances and several orchestras in the romantic-urbanic setting =
of the truly huge Hall of Zurich Main Station. Highlights also being =
the two great final ball nights, in the Z=FCrcher Tonhalle after the =
Quinteto Real concerts.
The workshop programme will include teaching by Milena Plebs (Tango x =
Dos), Julio Balmaceda and Corina de la Rosa, Cecilia Gonzalez and =
Chicho, Beatriz Ojeda and Pablo Romero, Claudia Rosenblatt and Cacho =
Dante. For professional dancers, Milena Plebs will be teaching =
choreography workshops. Musicians should make their reservations for =
the Quinteto Real master class programm...
Those of you who want more information now, on the spot, please =
direct your mails to: info @tangostadt.ch. The Tangostadt-Webpage is =
long-due, but still under construction, have a look at =
www.tangostadt.ch, make your bookmarks...more info will be there very =
soon.
Summer in bustling Zurich, dancing the nights away, cooling your feet =
in the lake or getting a break from it all for a day in the Alps... =
We would love to see you there!
TangoStadt Z=FCrich
Postfach
CH-8026 Z=FCrich
Switzerland
++ 41 1 240 22 01 telephone
++ 41 1 240 22 02 fax
info @tangostadt.ch
_______________________________________________________________________=
__________________________
Petra Starmans
starmans @tangostadt.ch
petra.starmans @spectraweb.ch
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:02:12 -0500
From: "Gamble, Gigi" <Gigi.Gamble @SCHWAB.COM>
Subject: Question for Followers/Comments re: tango milonguero
Hi List,
>>Question for experienced followers:
What are some practical ways you hold the rhythm ? (i.e., not be rushed or
slowed, but preserve the tempo no matter what)
One of my teachers says that the follower will usually be led to the 1 and
3- so I played with that and found she's right. But as has been pointed out
on the list, you may be led to different rhythms--still, if you hear where
the 1 and 3 are, maybe you feel the variations more clearly.
Another tango instructor said he progressed rapidly because he kept dancing
with followers who danced to the rhythm -he couldn't rush or slow them --
how do followers do that gracefully?
Couldn't ornaments be used to emphasize or ground the tempo a little bit if
the lead is rushed or dragging?
(I am not yet dancing at a level where I could use that strategy).
>>About milonguero style :
We had a discussion about tango milonguero a while back, but I don't recall
anyone saying where they learned it or who from...How come it isn't taught
much? Maybe if you learn in the clubs rather than in classes, you pick it up
naturally).
I am beginning to like it a lot, for its intimacy, subtlety and play. It
seems easier than open frame, although in the first few months of classes, I
was quaking in my mary janes to be so close to someone. I thought I'd never
get it, and then recently it clicked, thanks to great partners & the
cumulative effect of classes from good teachers.
The drop-in classes which often precede a milonga could spare some shins by
focussing on a close frame walk and how to get around the LOD in a crowd.
Milonguero is so good for social dancing, -- how often in life are the
practical and the poetic combined so sensuously?
Note:
Today I saw that Daniela and Armando will lead workshops this weekend (San
Francisco Treat) in club style tango/musicality, milonga and vals.
With thanks to everyone who contibutes to the list,
Gigi
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:44:18 +1300
From: faera <faera @XTRA.CO.NZ>
Subject: Re: Question for Followers/Comments re: tango milonguero
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Gigi - after reading your post, I would like to respond to:
>what are practical ways to dance with less experienced dancers?
sometimes by not dancing with them -- if the difference is too great --
and always with kindness and respect for the man who is struggling to
learn to lead sensitively --
One must also ask
what is good for social dancing? --
and strive toward a celebration of the need to absolutely enjoy the =
dance
experience even if it is flawed by being out of rhythm.
When I was 16, I learned that the follower listens to the music and =
moves on
the beat in the most obvious direction unless the leader signals a =
different
choice.
=20
When you dance this way -- the timing of parallel motion is simpler and =
it
appears as if you are reading each other's minds as your dancing =
together is more
fluid and `body mechanical' -- I have never heard a better explanation =
of leading
and following than I learned then -- and since I watch people struggle =
so often with
not dancing well together....it makes me wonder.
Dancing with someone who cannot lead -- eg doesn't understand body =
mechanics
and the positioning needs of a following partner - can be tedious and =
very
demanding. In this case, the courtesy of allowing the experienced =
follower to=20
lead the rhythm section and even some of the moves that link things =
together=20
more fluidly can be permitted. The leader dances above himself so to =
speak --
but learns how things move and how to move in relation to a partner. =
The=20
imitation of one's dance partners movement builds the understanding of =
how=20
the dialogue of the dance works -- the call and response that is so =
basic to dance=20
floor communication.
Yes it can be frightening to be so physically close to someone -- and to
communicate all that one needs to without words -- but when the gender=20
safety issues are secure & unquestioned -- the tenderness between dance=20
partners can be exquisite. One crosses new thresholds of respect and=20
understanding for other human beings. With favourite dance partners --=20
one can amuse and delight in a range of ways -- leading into a very =
standard=20
opening and carrying through with quite a different sequence to the =
close -=20
or by occasionally refusing the offer of a leader and responding with a
`cheeky' or amusing and unexpected but totally possible option.
Sometimes I give myself so totally to following that I follow body =
movements
that the leader was not aware of -- often enough I `follow' a dip lead =
that
surprises my partner who then has to act quickly to keep me from hitting =
the=20
floor. Don't know how this happens really -- but I haven't hit the =
floor yet as=20
a result -- I have been warned to be careful several times however. So =
saying,
I have been entirely dropped once and head banged (on the floor) once =
but=20
those were truly shoddy leads and not my fault at all.
.how often in life are the practical and the poetic combined so =
sensuously?
Quite often for me really -- but then, I have now a small group of =
favourite
dance partners who are very dear to me. And I have been able to support =
my
new life partner as he learns to dance Tango
...... but then as a poet I also understand poetic license --=20
and I will often support a struggling partner at a social dance by =
saying --=20
never mind about all that ......... do what you can do & do it well...=20
and enjoy!!!!!!!!!
=20
=20
all the best=20
=20
faera
Original Message-----
From: Gamble, Gigi <Gigi.Gamble @SCHWAB.COM>
To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 12:08 PM
Subject: Question for Followers/Comments re: tango milonguero
>Hi List,
>
>>>Question for experienced followers:
>
>What are some practical ways you hold the rhythm ? (i.e., not be =
rushed or
>slowed, but preserve the tempo no matter what)
>
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and head banged (on the floor) once but </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3>those were truly shoddy leads =
and not my=20
fault at all.<BR><BR>.how often in life are the practical and the poetic =
combined so sensuously?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3><BR>Quite often for me really =
-- but then,=20
I have now a small group of favourite</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3></FONT><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua">dance=20
</FONT><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">partners who </FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua">are very dear to me. And I have been able to =
support=20
my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">new =
life partner=20
as he learns to dance Tango</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">......</FONT><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua" size=3D3>=20
but then as a poet I also understand poetic license -- </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3>and I will often support a =
struggling=20
partner at a social dance by </FONT><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
size=3D3>saying --=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3>never mind about all that =
......... do=20
what you can do & do it well... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3>and =
enjoy!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3>all the best </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3>faera<BR><BR><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR>From: Gamble, Gigi <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Gigi.Gamble @SCHWAB.COM">Gigi.Gamble @SCHWAB.COM</A>><BR>=
To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU">TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU</A> <<A =
href=3D"mailto:TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU">TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU</A>><BR>=
Date:=20
Wednesday, March 10, 1999 12:08 PM<BR>Subject: Question for =
Followers/Comments=20
re: tango milonguero<BR><BR><BR>>Hi =
List,<BR>><BR>>>>Question for=20
experienced followers:<BR>><BR>>What are some practical ways =
you=20
hold the rhythm ? (i.e., not be rushed or<BR>>slowed, but preserve =
the tempo=20
no matter what)<BR>><BR>[snip] [snip]<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:29:57 -0600
From: Frank Williams <frank @INDY.BSBE.UMN.EDU>
Subject: "Tango" soundtrack
Greetings all,
For the first time, I am writing to recommend tango music to the list.
The knowledgable and considered musical opinions of list members has
been very educational for me, and my appreciation of the music has been
significantly heightened because of those writings. But, um,
unencumbered by my lack of authority on the topic, I have a new disc
that I can't turn off. I was given a copy of the soundtrack to Carlos
Saura's film "Tango" (enjoyed the movie too) and the music on this disc
fills a void for me. Make no mistake, I think that Gardel's work will
remain untouched in terms of purity and inspiration. Notwithstanding
the artistic and technical achievements of many older recordings, to an
audiophile, the old recordings lack one significant source of emotional
impact - the natural acoustic sonorities and dynamics of the instruments
that were played.
The soundtrack to Saura's "Tango" contains original scores by Lalo
Schifrin in addition to new and impressive recreations of performances
that have been widely recognized for their greatness. In the liner
notes, most of the individual musicians are not recognized, but director
Saura writes:
_____________
"Schifrin and I talked for hours on end of tangos, milongas and the
little creole waltzes sung as duets, with their sugary lyrics, that I
liked so much. Together we chose, as carefully as possible, the
compositions that seemed indispensable for our film. Some of the tangos
- such as La cumparsita, El choclo and Caminito - were classics. We
picked others because they defined an epoch and were written by
composers who remain foremost in the minds of tango aficionados. In
recording each of them Lalo Schifrin (with the invaluable assistance of
Oscar Cardozo) tried to recreate the characteristic sound of orchestras
of the period."
"A group of exceptional performers worked together on the movie
TANGO. They include Salgan himself, who is now over 80 years old. He
played on the piano his 'A fuego lento', a tango that still sounds as
fresh as when it was written. Collaborating with him were the bandoneon
virtuoso Marconi, the guitarist Ubaldo De Lio and the violinist Agri,
who had performed with the great tango ensembles of times past. Adriana
Varela joined us with her radiant voice, and together we created a brief
tribute to Gardel and Tita Merelo."
"The predominant element in TANGO is dance, which runs throughout the
story told by the film. I was obsessed with finding a tango in the
style of Pugilese, something rhythmic and totally danceable. Schifrin
composed his 'Tango barbaro'. which filled my needs perfectly, and I
think it is a gem. He also composed a lovely, more melodic tango which
he called 'Tango del atardecer;' 'Tango lunaire', recalling the 1920's
in the manner of Kurt Weill; and 'Tango para percusion', which is
something new in the world of the tango."
"Separate mention should be made of the composition 'La represion' for
the sequence of the same name. Here Schifrin wrote an inspired and
powerful orchestral work, which the Buenos Aires Symphony performed
under the baton of Schifrin himself. Once it was recorded, 'La
represion' provided us with a pattern for developing our overall plan,
and it guided our work on the visual and choreographic elements when we
sought to integrate everything contributing to that sequence."
______________
Recording engineer Osvaldo Acedo did an admirable job. I love to hear
the clack and tick of bandoneon bellows and keys, the really piercing
stacatto sections, and the bandoneon's nebulous texture in such passages
as the lyrical section of 'Quejas de bandoneon' (now playing, in fact).
You can often actually HEAR how much rosin the bass player is using. The
pianos sound powerful. The guitar strings hiss on chord changes. You
can evaluate the saxaphone's reed. The violins, well, they make me hold
my breath.
Ah, there's Salgan chattering away as he plays... This is an absolute
delight.
Is it perfect? No. The frequency equalization isn't quite ideal for
really good audio gear. This equalization worked well in the theater,
but is atypical of the very flat (sometimes almost 'dull' sounding)
spectrum that is found on most Deutsche Grammophon recordings. You will
notice bass problems even on the first track, Schifrin's 'Tango del
atardecer'. Still, there is so much good on this disc that I can
forgive a little over-dramatization. The depth and openness of the
"sound stage" is only disturbed a few times by obvious bass distortion.
Ah, there's my favorite: Canaro's 'Corazon de oro'. This waltz will
make you feel as if a beautiful dancer is in your arms no matter where
you are or what you're doing! Yes, the bass is a little strong, but I
think that's one of the things that helps it speak directly to the feet.
Well, enough said.
Deutsche Grammophon 289 459 145-2
Kind regards and warm tangos to all,
Frank in Minneapolis
"
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:35:16 -0600
From: Frank Williams <frank @INDY.BSBE.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Reminder: Mpls. workshops
Greetings friends,
This Sat. and Sunday, Daniel Lapadula and Laura Brondo will venture up
from Miami to offer workshops in tango and milonga. They will also
grace the monthly milonga sponsored by the Tango Society of Minnesota.
If you will be in town or nearby, please join us.
More information is available at: http://indy.bsbe.umn.edu/tango
Best regards,
Frank in Minneapolis
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