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There are 21 messages totalling 944 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Tangata Rea CD
2. "Tango Magic" on PBS
3. Directions correction for Nora's Milongas in Redwood City tonight (Fri.)
4. the perfect follow
5. Plea for DJ sensitivity (cortinas & tandas)
6. 4th Friday Milongas in the SF Bay Area
7. Locale-specific postings (6)
8. Locale-Specific Postings
9. Boston, MA, USA..and New England: PBS "Tango Magic" preview alert...
10. Web site correction: Boston, MA, USA..and New England: PBS "Tango Magic"
preview alert...
11. New Tango... (2)
12. Useful websites
13. (fwd) Re: the perfect follow
14. Gem of the week, methinks
15. Cortina music
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:42:39 +0000
From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Tangata Rea CD
I just got what I believe is the first CD put out by the orchestra
Tangata Rea. I absolutely loved it. It's a digital recording of
performances in 1998 at Club del Vino in Buenos Aires. The quality
of reproduction is phenomenal; I had the feeling I was right in
the middle of the orchestra. The music has the full resonance of
the entire range of the instruments, from the bass of the contra-
bass to the upper registers of the flute (which does a great job
in place of the more usual violin). And the selections were many
of my favorite traditional tangos, plus (I think) two original
compositions by two band members.
The title is "Tango alla Baila" (although on the back of the case
the title is "Tango for Dancing"). The label is Winter & Winter,
Munchen, Germany. The ID number is 910 025-2.
Larry de Los Angeles
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:24:40 +0000
From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: "Tango Magic" on PBS
I taped then watched the PBS show "Tango Magic" tonight. I don't want
to dissuade anyone from seeing it. It was very well done, & what I
dislike another may love. But for me it was a great disappointment.
I found myself increasingly fast-fowarding through it.
The music was all Piazzolla, except for sound-alike compositions by
Pablo Ziegler, pianist for Piazzolla for ten years. Most of the music
was fast & frantic. The one milonga was more jazz than tango.
The dancing was outstanding, by "Forever Tango" principals, & the
choreography perfectly matched the music. But again I had a problem.
This meant that most of the dancing was as fast & nerve-racking as
the music. And the slow dances were essentially moderndance with
tango elements. (I must mention the extraordinary modern dance
performance of Guillermina & Roberto in this context.)
In addition, KCET-PBS used this (as they often do long programs) as
a fund-raiser. However, they went to ridiculous extremes. The first
break was a little over 10 minutes long. The second not quite 12
minutes. And the show ended at 1:16 into the 1:30 time-slot,
finishing out the last 14 minutes with fund-raising. (This is why I
always tape PBS broadcasts.)
For those of you who would enjoy this program, if you miss it on
PBS in your area, you can buy the 54-minute tape for $75. For $90
you can also get the CD of the music.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:44:46 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Directions correction for Nora's Milongas in Redwood City tonight
(Fri.)
Correction to the directions to get to Nora's Milonga in Redwood City:
The exit to take off Hwy 101 in Redwood City is not Broadway, but Woodside
Road (west). Immediately after exiting the freeway to the west, then you
turn right on Broadway (and continue about 2/3 mile).
This may not reach you in time for tonight. Sorry for any inconvenience.
_________________________________________________________
Steve Hoffman
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:50:50 +0200
From: Gero Iwan <iwan @I5.INFORMATIK.RWTH-AACHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: the perfect follow
Possibly this e-mail springs from my misunderstanding of the term
"loud and clear", as it also has a meaning like "distinct" or "not to
be missed" or something like that. But first reading Ramiro's posting
to Tango-L I took it literally and was inspired to write the following
reply. Eventually I looked it up in a dictionary, because my English
is not excellent and I did and do not want to blame Ramiro.
Ramiro Garcia <ramiro9 @YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> If you can get a beginner to dance the figure you intended,
> it's a pretty good sign that your lead is Loud and Clear.
I had and have this experience several times (with still basic
figures/improvisations, of course, since I myself am not an advanced
Tango dancer, presumably not even an intermediate). But I am not sure
if I should be glad of it because I am afraid my lead may be "too
loud". As shouting (=loud-speaking) has a strong connection to
commanding, "loud-leading" has a strong connection to forcing.
Maybe/probably/usually a beginner welcomes a loud lead, but a more
skilled follower prefers pleasant and comfortable, yet unambiguous and
clear leading, doesn't she?
So I hope, that I will use loud leads only with partners who are not
yet "good-hearing" enough to follow a soft lead, and that I myself am
sensitive enough to recognize and good-leading enough to "serve" the
follower's ability to listen. (This "listen" may include "listen to
the lead" as well as "listen to the music".)
Saludos, Gero
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:00:53 +0200
From: Gero Iwan <iwan @I5.INFORMATIK.RWTH-AACHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Plea for DJ sensitivity (cortinas & tandas)
Robinne Gray <rlg2 @CORNELL.EDU> wrote:
> I like the idea of musical cortinas rather than silence, but I would
> like to make a general plea for DJs to be aware of the mood they've just
> worked to create and to not dash it to pieces by playing a jarring snippet
> of music at the end. There's nothing worse than finishing a transcendent
> set with your partner, holding each other as the last note fades and
> enjoying that small "afterglow," and suddenly being jolted out of that
> state by harsh, discordant *noise*.
Sigh!
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:22:48 -0700
From: Al & Barbara <batango @SLIP.NET>
Subject: Re: 4th Friday Milongas in the SF Bay Area
Thanks Steve for posting info about Nora's and Miller's 4th Friday milongas.
The longest running 4th Friday milonga however is La Tangueria in Fairfax
(Marin County), organized by Charlie Stewart, Marcelo Gobelli and George
Guim. It's at the Fairfax Women's Club at 46 Park Ave. For those who have
never ventured to Fairfax, it is 30 minutes from the Golden Gate toll plaza
and 15 minutes from the Marin end of the Richmond Bridge. And when the 4th
Friday is NOT the last Friday in the month, the Monte Cristo milonga of Gary
and Nirmala's is also happening in the City.
Happy Friday dancing ! Barbara
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:37:14 -0700
From: Michael Brooks <mbrooks @WIZARDS.COM>
Subject: Locale-specific postings
Dear List,
As a new Tango-L person, I'm noticing that at least 1/4 of all the postings
are way too specific to a location to be interesting or beneficial to a
majority of the readers. I do know for a fact that there's a nice tango
website, for the Bay Area (where a few of these postings are coming from)
where it would probably be more appropriate for a Bay Area-specific
posting. As well, I'm sure there are tango websites for other cities that
would probably reach more people a member's area.
I can see posting major events--once--that people may be interested in
flying in for such as week long or multi-day master classes.
I always check the Seattle web for the updates I need and don't expect to
get them on Tango-L. Not to be a stickler for rules, but the list
administrator just made reiterated this "guideline" with a post not 5 days
ago.
Not wanting to open and delete 1/4 of the posts,
Ms. Michael
Seattle, Washington
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:20:43 +0000
From: Carol Shepherd <shepherd @ARBORLAW.COM>
Subject: Re: Locale-specific postings
Michael Brooks wrote:
>
> Dear List,
>
> As a new Tango-L person, I'm noticing that at least 1/4 of all the postings
> are way too specific to a location to be interesting or beneficial to a
> majority of the readers.
>
> Not wanting to open and delete 1/4 of the posts,
> Ms. Michael
> Seattle, Washington
I agree. It would help if everyone would put the city name first in the
subject rather than last if the post is location-specific.
--
Carol Ruth Shepherd
year2000law @arborlaw.com
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:38:32 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Locale-Specific Postings
I joined the tango list many years ago to gain a sense of connection
with the world tango community because my own tango community is
relatively small. I enjoy seeing the locale-specific postings, though
some of them may technically break or bend the rules. Sometimes I
even read them. The presence of such postings gives me a greater
sense of the presence of tango in bigger backyard than my own. I can
easily delete postings that are uninteresting to me.
Looking through the tango geography webpages, I can easily see why
someone might occasionally choose to bend the rules and announce what
are essentially local events. In far flung communities that receive
many visitors, some milongas and workshops do not make it on to the
local webpages in a timely manner.
Perhaps, it is what are essentially private conversations that should
be avoided in public forums.
--Steve de Tejas
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:52:32 +0100
From: Anne Atheling <atheling @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Boston, MA, USA..and New England: PBS "Tango Magic" preview alert...
Argentine Tango fans in New England will be pleased to know that PBS
station WGBH Channel 2 will air a triple-header evening of Argentine
Tango on Friday, August 13 (subject to change):
8pm Evening at Pops "Forever Tango" program from last season
9pm Tango Magic
10pm LA PLAZA's Tango: Duel and Dance
"Tango Magic"
Like the Tango itself, the one-hour pledge special Tango Magic captures
the drama, sensuality and mesmerizing melodies of an immigrant community
at the turn of the century. The musical journey back to traditional
Tangos begins with the lilting, infectious melodies of the first song
and continues through the melding of music, dance and commentary by
program host, actor Hector Elizondo. While Elizondo tells the story of
the dance, the set design, lighting, choreography and costumes evoke the
different moods and periods of the Tango. Airing on Friday, August 13,
"Tango Magic" features four pair of dancers, including Diego Di Falco
and Carolina Zokalski, the stars of Broadway's acclaimed "Forever
Tango", who also choreographed this program.
Of special interest to tangueros in New England, The Tango Socety of
Boston, Inc. will host Diego and Carolina in Boston for the weekend of
August 7-8 with master classes and a demonstration at a milonga on
August 7th. Complete information on The Society web site:
http://bostontango.org
In a setting reminiscent of the La Boca district of Buenos Aires at the
turn of the century, Elizondo tells of the birth of the Tango and of the
career of Astor Piazzolla, the man who created the "New Tango," bringing
the dance back to life in the 1950s and changing it forever. The program
presents the music that inspired Piazzolla, but mostly it celebrates the
rich repertoire of work he left as his legacy.
With slow, sensual moves, the dancers interpret the virtuoso violin work
of Gidon Kremer, the melodies of brilliant bandonist Ryota Komatsu, the
inspired voices of Maria Grana and Jose Angel Trelles, and Piazzolla's
own star pianist, Pablo Ziegler, all backed by the Orpheus Orchestra,
the celebrated chamber music ensemble from New York City.
Ziegler, who was the pianist of Piazzolla's famous quintet for 10 years,
is the expert on how to interpret the new Tango. An encounter in Buenos
Aires in the summer of 1997 sparked the idea of a musical collaboration
between Ziegler and the Orpheus Orchestra; that spark became Tango
Magic.
The program is co-produced by Automatic Productions, a television
production, distribution and packaging company headquartered in New York
City. The director is Larry Jordan, and the producer is Erinn Williams.
Automatic has a diverse slate of music variety product, and is a leading
supplier of entertainment programming for network, cable and broadcast
syndication, including the critically acclaimed weekly public television
music series Sessions at West 54th; A&E's Emmy and CableACE
Award-winning series, Live by Request; and various specials featuring
such artists as Mariah Carey, Billy Joel, Phil Collins, Gloria Estefan,
Wynton Marsalis and Yo-Yo Ma.
The executive producers are Pat Philips and Ettore Stratta of
Stratta/Philips Productions, who together have produced and staged more
than 30 concerts of pop, jazz and classical music including the
Songwriters Hall of Fame ceremonies for the past 10 years and From
Harlem to Hollywood: A Tribute to the Nicholas Brothers. Italian-born
Stratta, an international conductor/composer/arranger/producer, has
worked with such artists as Barbra Streisand, Tony Bennett and Lena
Horne, and has conducted and recorded with the London Symphony and The
Baroque Chamber Orchestra. Philips alone has produced more than 50 major
concert events including The 80th Birthday Salute to Stephane Grappelli,
Bach at The Beacon and the highly acclaimed Merchant/Ivory Celebration
at Carnegie Hall. Currently, the pair is developing and producing The
Grand Master Series for Carnegie Hall, including Tango Magic and All
Jobim, featuring the music of Antonio Carlos Jobim.
TANGO MAGIC is a co-production of Automatic Productions and American
Public Television's Premium Service 10, which distributes the program to
public television stations nationwide.
American Public Television (formerly American Program Service), located
in Boston, is a major source of programming for the nation's public
television stations. Known for identifying innovative programs and
developing creative distribution techniques, American Public Television
provides stations with program choices that enable them to strengthen
and customize their schedules. It also serves as an essential
distribution and funding option for producers.
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:12:02 +0100
From: Anne Atheling <atheling @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Web site correction: Boston, MA,
USA..and New England: PBS "Tango Magic" preview alert...
Argentine Tango fans in New England will be pleased to know that PBS
station WGBH Channel 2 will air a triple-header evening of Argentine
Tango on Friday, August 13 (subject to change):
8pm Evening at Pops "Forever Tango" program from last season
9pm Tango Magic
10pm LA PLAZA's Tango: Duel and Dance
"Tango Magic"
Like the Tango itself, the one-hour special "Tango Magic" captures
the drama, sensuality and mesmerizing melodies of an immigrant community
at the turn of the century. The musical journey back to traditional
Tangos begins with the lilting, infectious melodies of the first song
and continues through the melding of music, dance and commentary by
program host, actor Hector Elizondo. While Elizondo tells the story of
the dance, the set design, lighting, choreography and costumes evoke the
different moods and periods of the Tango. Airing on Friday, August 13,
"Tango Magic" features four pair of dancers, including Diego Di Falco
and Carolina Zokalski, the stars of Broadway's acclaimed "Forever
Tango", who also choreographed this program.
=95 Of special interest to tangueros in New England, The Tango Socety of
Boston, Inc. will host Diego and Carolina in Boston for the weekend of
August 7-8 with master classes and a demonstration at a milonga on
August 7th. Complete information on The Society web site:
http://www.bostontango.org
In a setting reminiscent of the La Boca district of Buenos Aires at the
turn of the century, Elizondo tells of the birth of the Tango and of the
career of Astor Piazzolla, the man who created the "New Tango," bringing
the dance back to life in the 1950s and changing it forever. The program
presents the music that inspired Piazzolla, but mostly it celebrates the
rich repertoire of work he left as his legacy.
With slow, sensual moves, the dancers interpret the virtuoso violin work
of Gidon Kremer, the melodies of brilliant bandonist Ryota Komatsu, the
inspired voices of Maria Grana and Jose Angel Trelles, and Piazzolla's
own star pianist, Pablo Ziegler, all backed by the Orpheus Orchestra,
the celebrated chamber music ensemble from New York City.
Ziegler, who was the pianist of Piazzolla's famous quintet for 10 years,
is the expert on how to interpret the new Tango. An encounter in Buenos
Aires in the summer of 1997 sparked the idea of a musical collaboration
between Ziegler and the Orpheus Orchestra; that spark became "Tango
Magic".
The program is co-produced by Automatic Productions, a television
production, distribution and packaging company headquartered in New York
City. The director is Larry Jordan, and the producer is Erinn Williams.
Automatic has a diverse slate of music variety product, and is a leading
supplier of entertainment programming for network, cable and broadcast
syndication, including the critically acclaimed weekly public television
music series Sessions at West 54th; A&E's Emmy and CableACE
Award-winning series, Live by Request; and various specials featuring
such artists as Mariah Carey, Billy Joel, Phil Collins, Gloria Estefan,
Wynton Marsalis and Yo-Yo Ma.
The executive producers are Pat Philips and Ettore Stratta of
Stratta/Philips Productions, who together have produced and staged more
than 30 concerts of pop, jazz and classical music including the
Songwriters Hall of Fame ceremonies for the past 10 years and From
Harlem to Hollywood: A Tribute to the Nicholas Brothers. Italian-born
Stratta, an international conductor/composer/arranger/producer, has
worked with such artists as Barbra Streisand, Tony Bennett and Lena
Horne, and has conducted and recorded with the London Symphony and The
Baroque Chamber Orchestra. Philips alone has produced more than 50 major
concert events including The 80th Birthday Salute to Stephane Grappelli,
Bach at The Beacon and the highly acclaimed Merchant/Ivory Celebration
at Carnegie Hall. Currently, the pair is developing and producing The
Grand Master Series for Carnegie Hall, including Tango Magic and All
Jobim, featuring the music of Antonio Carlos Jobim.
TANGO MAGIC is a co-production of Automatic Productions and American
Public Television's Premium Service 10, which distributes the program to
public television stations nationwide.
American Public Television (formerly American Program Service), located
in Boston, is a major source of programming for the nation's public
television stations. Known for identifying innovative programs and
developing creative distribution techniques, American Public Television
provides stations with program choices that enable them to strengthen
and customize their schedules. It also serves as an essential
distribution and funding option for producers.
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:56:08 -0700
From: "Brannigan, Mary" <Mary.Brannigan @WWIRELESS.COM>
Subject: Re: New Tango...
In response to the posting about the New Tango style of Fabian Salas and
Gustavo Naveira:
Claude Dumont's opinion was that it was for "youngmen, macho, egocentric,
looking for some admirer or those who love the show. They never dance WITH
the women, but ALONE."
I can see how someone could misinterpret the look of the dance if one were
to watch only certain dancers practice this style. Dancers who themselves
are young, macho, egocentric, etc. However, New Tango itself is nothing of
the sort.
And from the scores of women who wait to dance with Fabian and Gustavo
(and then gush about the experience afterwards), there must be a lot of
women out there who really like dancing alone. ;-)
Why New Tango (N.T.) is not "only for youngmen":
Unlike some styles, New Tango stresses the importance staying on one's own
axis and balance, and teaches followers not to lean on the lead. These
concepts alleviate much of the tension and stress placed on the body, and
allows for those less strong or older to dance longer and better.
<snip> "Practically every step is a note!"
N.T. does not require that you step on every beat. Just as in any dance,
the decision to hesitate, dance double time, etc. is up to the personal
preference of the lead.
Why it's not "for macho"
When dancing with a proficient student or teacher of the New Tango, I have
NEVER been rough-handled or pulled from step to step. The lead invites me
to step by opening up a space, and I take my step no more or less than what
my balance and axis will allow.
<snip> "The woman has to follow without taking neither initiative or
decoration."
As a follow, I find that many of my embellishments come more naturally
when dancing the N.T. way, because the technique teaches you to recognize
which options are available to you *before taking that next step. Being
aware of these options in advance secures my confidence, which in turn frees
my creativity.
Note: My personal view about taking the initiative is that it is simply
not the follows job. (Oh boy, better put on my asbestos suit....)
The lead and follow both have a defined role, and each one comes with
certain responsibilities. One of the responsibilities of the lead is to
give direction by initiating the steps. After all, the lead is the one
navigating the floor. I like being able to close my eyes during the dance.
}-)
Besides, we follows have enough to do, listening intently to both the lead
and the music, and personalizing the dance through our technique. When I
feel like taking the initiative, I lead.
Why it's not just "for egocentric...etc"
The original post referred to a specific dancer's style under this
heading, and I think that's exactly what it is....a specific dancer's style.
<snip> "They need a minimum space of 2x2m!"
While it's common to go to an open embrace and back to close frequently
throughout a song when dancing N.T., it is not mandatory, nor is it required
to take up a lot of space.
Perhaps you've never seen Fabian and Lucia perform to "Tus Ojos de Cielo",
in which the first minute is done both in close embrace and slow-motion with
an incredible amount of feeling and very little movement.
<snip> "There is no respect of other couples on the floor."
I've had some pretty ego-centric, non-N.T. leads who have shown no respect
for either myself or the other couples on the floor. Again, that's a
problem with whoever is leading, not the technique.
<snip> "What is most important is that the man have and gives pleasure and
feeling to his partner." <end snip>
I couldn't agree with you more Claude, and personally nothing gives me
more pleasure and allows me more freedom for expression than dancing
according to the science and style of the N.T.
I hope Claude, that you can disregard the negative aspects which a few
dancers may have inadvertently given to N.T., and give it a chance. Try
learning the technique, if only for the purpose of being able to fairly
critique it.
Abrazos, and thank you for your post. I hope that the members of the list
enjoy and take into consideration both of our opinions.
Mary Brannigan
UNIX Systems Administrator
(425) 313-7019
http://www.22tango.org
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:12:43 -0400
From: e_mass <e_mass @EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Locale-specific postings
> Michael Brooks wrote:
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > As a new Tango-L person, I'm noticing that at least 1/4 of all the
postings
> > are way too specific to a location to be interesting or beneficial to a
> > majority of the readers.
> >
> > Not wanting to open and delete 1/4 of the posts,
> > Ms. Michael
> > Seattle, Washington
>
> I agree. It would help if everyone would put the city name first in the
> subject rather than last if the post is location-specific.
> --
> Carol Ruth Shepherd
> year2000law @arborlaw.com
I have opened local e-mail lists for Florida, Italy and Germany, it works
very
well, specially the Italian and German lists, where most postings are in the
local
language.
Ciao,
Enrico
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:15:11 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Locale-specific postings
> > > ......... at least 1/4 of all the postings
> > > are way too specific to a location to be interesting or beneficial to
a
> > > majority of the readers.
What's the big deal? The delete key is pretty simple to figure out. It's
generally found toward the upper right of your keyboard. If you're not
interested in that particular mail or any other particular subject, you're
just a click away from removing the clutter.
Is posting info about a local event any less utilitarian than posting a
request for tango activity in a locale you are planning to visit? If you
are planning a trip to East McKeesport, and I'm not, is it still ok for you
to ask about tango in East McKeesport? I really don't begrudge you the time
and effort of the keystroke it takes me to wipe that message away.
Would you like a short list of topics that probably have as narrow an
interest range as local events?
Piano sheet music for tango
PBS broadcast schedule in Boston
Apartment for rent in Bs As
An Astor Piazzolla CD for sale
850 or 900 of us might not be interested a given subject, but maybe 10 or
50 are. So there will be 850 delete clicks, while somebody on the List gets
useful information.
By the way, Hudson Valley Tango, after our third consecutive Sunday at Cold
Spring, New York, will skip June 27 and July 4, but will be back at the
gazebo by the river on July 11, at 6:00 PM.
Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click,
click, click, click, click, click, click... Great! I'll be there! ....
click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click,
click, click, click, click, click................
Tangringo
____________________
Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane
Harriman, NY
oldzeid @frontiernet.net
Visit us at Hudson Valley Tango
http://nycdc.com/hvtango
===================
Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at
http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm
Por el fomento y progreso del Tango
===================
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:46:21 -0400
From: Matej Oresic <matej.oresic @CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Tango...
I can fully symphatize with Claude's opinions, yet there is a good point in
every "new" thing being introduced to tango. Refreshingly, the promoters of the
"New Tango" emphasize the idea which has been an essential part of tango
dancing from its beginnings, i.e. one should always try to be original and look
for new steps. One wonders then what is really so new about the "New Tango",
besides the excessive use of back-foor-displacements, somewhat mechanical
interpretation of music, and lots of sweating after only few tangos. Every real
tanguero who developed an original personal style is dancing New Tango, by
definition.
Like in "milonguero style" craze, we can get into pure linguistics again about
the term used for this particular style. It probably helps with selling the
"product", but generally one should care more about the quality of dancing
itself, and in particular how it feels for each person.
One can like the style or not, both is fine ... as long as other dancers on the
floor are respected. It would be ultimately boring if everybody would be moving
the same way, with the same rhythm. People do seem to have a tendency these days
for homogenizing, even in tango dancing. However, I see real tangueros as
rebels, the ones who reject to copy other tangueros, out of respect or for no
good reason, and try to follow their own path.
I wonder what will be the next "New Tango" ...
Best wishes,
Matej
http://lancelot.bio.cornell.edu/matej/tango/
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:55:51 -0700
From: Michael Brooks <mbrooks @WIZARDS.COM>
Subject: Re: Locale-specific postings
At 6:15 PM -0400 6/25/99, Walter M. Kane wrote:
>What's the big deal? The delete key is pretty simple to figure out. It's
>generally found toward the upper right of your keyboard. If you're not
>interested in that particular mail or any other particular subject, you're
>just a click away from removing the clutter.
Despite your condescending tone, I think it's worth responding. My post
was not intended to judge what is interesting and not interesting. I
merely was going by the rules that I was sent by the list adminstrator upon
signing up for Tango-L. The preamble to the rules states the following:
<quote> Since these rules are intended to reflect the views of the majority
of the list members, however, your comments on them are welcomed and
encouraged, so that they can reflect these views more accurately...<end
quote>
Some people want to read/don't mind reading location-specific posts and
have come up with good solutions (e.g. posting the city name in the subject
line). If you want the rules of the list to change, you should send your
comments to the adminstrator. Otherwise, this is guideline that the
adminstrator just reiterated in a post 5 days ago:
<quote>c. While people are often interested in events in other parts of the
world, do be aware, especially when posting announcements of local
events, that this is an international list with a few hundred members
from over 40 countries. A periodic (e.g., annual) posting/update
describing what's going on in Tango in your area would be welcomed.
Otherwise, the most useful local postings are announcements of
extraordinary events or a comprehensive compilation for a metropolitan
area. Postings like "this week's class has been cancelled" are
entirely inappropriate...<end quote>
>Is posting info about a local event any less utilitarian than posting a
>request for tango activity in a locale you are planning to visit?
One of the earlier recommendations of posting particular city names in the
subject line would work for this kind of request, too, but I think the list
is most useful for requests of other tangueros!
The only "Relevance Guideline" for posted content that I'm aware of is:
"All articles should be related to the Argentine Tango or a directly
related dance or musical form in some way."
If these are the rules that supposedly everyone who belongs to Tango-L has
agreed to, I do not understand why this seems to be a sore spot with at
least two subscribers.
Ms. Michael
Seattle, Washington
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:47:51 -0700
From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Useful websites
Hi everyone:
At the risk of displeasing some list members ;-) Here is
some controversial information. It's site specific and might
even contain mention of some new tangos and a lot about
Carlos Gardel. Anyway, the following sites are said to
contain a lot of good info about tango, audio files and even
some video files.
I have not checked them out yet. Please let me know how good
or otherwise they are.
Oh, I also found a site with a number of MP3 players that
might be of interest to all you tango listeners. There are
players for Macs as well as for PCs. The other day Nitin and
some others asked me about recording these files from the
computer. I suggested the purchase of any one of a number of
compact (table top) high fidelity systems. Plug the output
of the audio card from your PC to the input of the mini
system and record away. I found a number of highly
competitive retailers of these things by searching for "low
cost, hoe audio" and using the search engine from Infoseek
Express.
Anyway, here are the URLs for the MP3 players and utilities
(also other music files):
http://mp3music.simplenet.com/Players.html > Below are the
URLs for the tango sites
----
EL ALMACEN DEL TANGO
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/5970
(Archivos MIDI, MP3, Real Audio y textos)
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/3334
(Archivos de Video)
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:14:05 GMT
From: Ed Loomis <edl @WCO.COM>
Subject: (fwd) Re: the perfect follow
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:50:50 +0200, Gero Iwan
<iwan @I5.INFORMATIK.RWTH-AACHEN.DE> wrote:
>Possibly this e-mail springs from my misunderstanding of the term
>"loud and clear", as it also has a meaning like "distinct" or "not to
>be missed" or something like that.=20
(snip)
>Ramiro Garcia <ramiro9 @YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
>> If you can get a beginner to dance the figure you intended,
>> it's a pretty good sign that your lead is Loud and Clear.
>
>
>Saludos, Gero
Gero,
Your first guess was correct. "Loud and Clear" is radio com
chatter from at least the World War II era and it means message
received ungarbled. You won't find it in the dictionary. So don't
forget to "check your six" and if you "bounce a bogie", "let him have
the whole nine yards".=20
Ed Loomis
--=20
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate
a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:41:12 +0000
From: Keith Elshaw <elshaw @INTERLOG.COM>
Subject: Gem of the week, methinks
Majec Oresic wrote:
>It would be ultimately boring if everybody would be moving the same
way, with the same rhythm. People >do seem to have a tendency these days
for homogenizing, even in tango dancing.
And then Majec, between commas near the end of this sentence,
illuminated a very big clue-set surely one ought remember when observing
and concluding:
>However, I see real tangueros as rebels, the ones who reject to copy
other tangueros, out of respect or for no good reason, and try to follow
their own path.
Just wanted to make sure this had another chance to be seen.
Best to all and thanks, Majec,
ke
http://www.interlog.com/ttindex.html
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:31:44 -0600
From: R Brad Stamm <rbstamm @IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Cortina music
I am curious about the type of music that is used in BsAs for cotinas. At a
recient large event an out of town DJ insisted on using very danceable salsa
music for cortinas in some tapes he brought. There was almost a riot when
people wanted to dance a set of alternative music (salsa) and found the
music lasting only 30 seconds. This was defended as "they ought to know not
to dance during a cortina"??!!. It made no sense to me. People wanted an
occasional alternative song and one should not use highly danceable songs as
a cortina, how are you to know when a real alternative set is going to be
played?
The question is what is done in Argintina? I have been told be a native of
Argintina who spends months there each year that most clubs use a
destinctive style of music for their cortinas. This music is rarely dancable
unless you include slow fox trot or other mood music as dancable. They do
not try to confuse the dancers with danceable cotrinas. What have others
observed in Argintina? Are most cortinas non dance music? He also says that
most clubs play some alternative music tandas, particularly Latin and Swing.
What is you observation in BsAs??
Brad
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:16:40 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Locale-specific postings
From: Ms. Michael, Friday, June 25, 1999 6:55 PM
> At 6:15 PM -0400 6/25/99, Walter M. Kane wrote:
>
> >What's the big deal? The delete key is pretty simple to figure out. It's
> >generally found toward the upper right of your keyboard. If you're not
> >interested in that particular mail or any other particular subject,
you're
> >just a click away from removing the clutter.
> Despite your condescending tone, I think it's worth responding.
Ah, yes. Condescending. One man's good natured poke in the ribs in
another's condescending remark.
> My post
> was not intended to judge what is interesting and not interesting. I
> merely was going by the rules
By all means, we should follow the rules. I try. I have them hanging on the
wall next to my monitor. Sometimes I get preoccupied, though, and think
more about the relevance of my messages to tango and about friendships made
through Tango-L, and how I found my teachers through Tango-L, and how great
it is to see that someone is running a milonga or a workshop in Raleigh, or
Bangor, or East McKeesport where they never had tango before, and get to
thinking about all the help and encouragement that came through Tango-L to
get tango started in my neighborhood........... and, gosh darn it, I screw
up and forget to look at the rules.
Oops, there's one! It has to do with posting personal messages, or comments
directed toward individuals. Does <quote> Despite your condescending
tone... <end quote> qualify? Does anyone care?
I'll watch for the next announcement of a Global Event. Whoever posts it,
be sure to put the name of the universe in the Subject line so I'll know if
I'm interested.
Saludos to all,
Tangringo
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Harriman, NY
oldzeid @frontiernet.net
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