Tango-L mailing list archive: Digest 22 Jun 1999 to 23 Jun 1999

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Digest from 22 Jun 1999 to 23 Jun 1999

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There are 13 messages totalling 540 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. R: question for DJs! (2) 2. question for DJs! [dancing to cortinas] (2) 3. Feeling ill...help! 4. Musical defintions (3) 5. Want to know Susana Miller workshop in New York city, 6/25 -- 6/27 6. DO NOT OPEN ANYTHING!!!! 7. el brujo- Eduardo Cappussi 8. Looking for Dance Shoes in LA Area 9. "Tango Magic" on PBS

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:37:20 +0200 From: "Gabriella C. Marino" <gcmarino @IOL.IT> Subject: R: question for DJs! Thanks to all of you who replied to my question, I'm going to call the Italian authors' association (SIAE) and see what they say. We do pay a monthly fee to SIAE for the weekly milonga and this way we're not required to make a list of the music we play. Thus I deduce SIAE keep the money for themselves because I don't see how they can distribute copyright dues if they don't know who the authors of the music being played are. I had to have a SIAE permit for the dj at my wedding who, on the contrary, was required to make a list of the music he played. My husband and I danced Chiqui, I wonder if the author ever got anything out of it!!! BTW, someone asked me for playlists but I haven't started making any yet, I just thought I'd group all the milongas I own on one CD, do the same for valses, etc. and then make up tandas as I go along. I noticed the dj in Bologna the other night was playing tandas for the first time, but most people had no idea of what a cortina was and they were trying to dance that too. A friend of mine from NY told me the same thing happens there too! It was quite funny to see the looks on people's faces when the cortina suddenly gave way to another tango! Ciao, Gabriella

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:31:43 -0400 From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET> Subject: Re: question for DJs! [dancing to cortinas] From: Gabriella C. Marino Tuesday, June 22, 1999 9:37 AM (as an aside in her informative post about SIAE): > I noticed the dj in Bologna the other night was playing tandas for the first > time, but most people had no idea of what a cortina was and they were trying > to dance that too. A friend of mine from NY told me the same thing happens > there too! It was quite funny to see the looks on people's faces when the > cortina suddenly gave way to another tango! Most of us in NY know what a cortina is, but many of us dance to them anyway. In between tandas, it is sometimes fun to do a 20 second swing or mambo. As much as I love to tango, I wouldn't mind seeing the practice of playing an entire dance of another genre a few times during the evening. I'm sure I'm not the only one with such a preference. I've been to milongas where the floor would be filled whenever the dj threw in a salsa, rumba or swing. Tangringo (cha cha cha ;-) ____________________ Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane Harriman, NY oldzeid @frontiernet.net Visit us at Hudson Valley Tango http://nycdc.com/hvtango =================== Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm Por el fomento y progreso del Tango ===================

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:48:03 EDT From: Leanna Noel Mix <Leannas728 @AOL.COM> Subject: Feeling ill...help! What can I expect from the Happy.exe virus? I made the mistake of trusting the list, and executed the culprit program. No what do I do? I know I missed the bulk of posts on this, as I was out of town. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:17:15 -0600 From: "Frank G. Williams" <frank @INDY.BSBE.UMN.EDU> Subject: Re: question for DJs! [dancing to cortinas] Greetings Walter and list! Walter M. Kane wrote: > Most of us in NY know what a cortina is, but many of us dance to them > anyway. In between tandas, it is sometimes fun to do a 20 second swing or > mambo. As much as I love to tango, I wouldn't mind seeing the practice of > playing an entire dance of another genre a few times during the evening. > I'm sure I'm not the only one with such a preference. I've been to milongas > where the floor would be filled whenever the dj threw in a salsa, rumba or > swing. Here in Minnesota we have a very diverse community of dancers. Many are coming to us from other dance forms (which worries me because they'll probably leave as quickly as they came) and their tango skills and musical tastes are still in the early stages of development. At the milongas, they really like to have the chance to dance (beautifully, IMHO) in more familiar ways - to salsa, swing, or whatever. As DJ, it's a tough crowd to please! For that reason, my fellow organizers and I decided on guidelines that would attempt to appease everybody, with the realization that "everybody won't like SOMETHING!" We realize that other milongas do things differently, but the following is what's been working for us. At our milongas, every other tanda is tango - usually 4 related songs. Between tango sets, we play milonga, vals, rumba, salsa/mambo, and swing. Those sets are only two songs, although those songs generally last longer. During the last hour, I throw out the guidelines and keep the tango tandas comin', with the occasional vals or milonga added for spice. It's during that time that I play any tango nuevo, intensely vocal tangos, or decidedly non-rythmic bandonneon music. I started posting the upcoming tandas - by music type and musicians - on a "white board" and it really has helped newcomers to distinguish styles of tango music. It's helping them to refine their tastes, and it helps them to plan their dancing. It's nice to say to some special lady, "Will you save the next Pugliese for me?" If she consents, (of course she will!) then you both know when the agreed dances will come. Knowing in advance, you don't have to search for her in a hurry once that special or favorite tanda has begun (with the risk that she will accept that dance with somebody else not knowing what music awaits). I tried playing cortinas, but they didn't do much for the atmosphere. People were anticipating the next tanda on the list. Instead, I simply use about 15-20 seconds of silence - sometimes longer if the relief set is raucous salsa or swing. In my opinion, the swing sets DO upset the mood a bit, but they help the gate and, since "everybody won't like something", I guess the swing is what I get to "not like". ...the music is great, just a little out of place. Finally, let me cordially invite any of you to contact me personally or visit the Tango Society of Minnesota web site for information on the Twin Cities tango scene. http://indy.bsbe.umn.edu/tango We're working hard to sponsor nice events, and our reward is when our friends, those here in town and any visitors from around the world, have a good time. We're especially looking forward to the next outdoor milonga on July 17th, coinciding with a week's teaching visit by Hernan Obispo y Natalia Mazer, from Bs.As. Join us! (with fingers crossed for good weather) Warm tangos to all! Frank in Minneapolis -- _______________________________________________________________ Frank G. Williams, Ph.D. University of Minnesota frank @indy.bsbe.umn.edu Dept. of Neuroscience frank @biosci.cbs.umn.edu 4-103 Owre Hall (612) 625-6441 (office) 321 Church Street SE (612) 624-4436 (lab) Minneapolis, MN 55455

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:35:00 -0400 From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV> Subject: Musical defintions The discussion on musical selections by DJs is interesting. It would be very helpful if somebody would define - cortina tanda Thanks very much. I'm trying to stay in the loop. Confused in Washington, DC

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:47:43 -0700 From: JC Dill <tango @VO.CNCHOST.COM> Subject: Re: R: question for DJs! On 03:37 PM 6/22/99 +0200, Gabriella C. Marino wrote: >Thanks to all of you who replied to my question, I'm going to call the >Italian authors' association (SIAE) and see what they say. We do pay a >monthly fee to SIAE for the weekly milonga and this way we're not required >to make a list of the music we play. Thus I deduce SIAE keep the money for >themselves because I don't see how they can distribute copyright dues if >they don't know who the authors of the music being played are. The way BMI/ASCAP work is that every BMI/ASCAP registered artist is paid a percentage of all the fees they generate from this sort of permit. I *think* they receive a percentage based on the popularity of their work, for instance an artist who has sold 30 million albums will get 30x more of this money than an artist that has sold 1 million albums. So they pool in all the money they receive from many thousands (or millions) of these sorts of permits, then they distribute it back out to all the registered artists. >I had to have a SIAE permit for the dj at my wedding who, on the contrary, >was required to make a list of the music he played. My husband and I danced >Chiqui, I wonder if the author ever got anything out of it!!! The fees cover all the artists, the author, the composer, and the publisher (who pays the performer). I don't know how they work out who gets how much. You can find out more at the BMI or ASCAP or SIAE websites. http://www.ascap.com/artcommerce/money-intro.html http://www.bmi.com/licensing/restans.html http://hotbot.com/?MT=siae&SM=MC&DV=0&LG=italian&DC=10&DE=2&_v=2&OPs=MDRTP&S earch.x=46&Search.y=7 (I can't read Italian, so you will have to figure out if any of these matches leads to the SIAE site, if such a site exists.) HTH jc

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:14:24 -0400 From: danny waggoner <dwag @MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: Re: Want to know Susana Miller workshop in New York city, 6/25 -- 6/27 Asta Chen wrote: >Susana Miller was here in Boston 3 weeks ago. Me and my some other tango friends >enjoy to have workshop with her. >Now, I heard that Susana is going to be in New York city to teach from 6/25 >--6/27. Can some one tell me what exactly the workshop schedule, where is the >place and what is the price? > We are just finishing a great week of workshops with Susana here in Atlanta with a Milonga workshop tonight (Tues) and a Men's class tomorrow night. Susana's work in the milonguero style was very well received - I can recommend her highly to anyone interested in that style. Her work with posture and walking, as well as the role of the music in creating the lead, seemed to have an immediate positive impact on a number of our dancers. She leaves for New York on Thursday, her workshops in NYC are being held at Dance Manhattan (212) 807-0802, and the following info is from http://www.dance-manhattan.com/ <snip> Susana Miller is one of the foremost teachers of the Milonguero Style (close embrace) Tango which is danced in the clubs of Buenos Aires. She will be at Dance Manhattan from Saturday, June 26 through Thursday, July 1. Susana will give workshops and be available for private lessons. Don't miss this opportunity to study with an extraordinary teacher. Saturday, June 26 2 to 3:30 Tango/Balance 3:30 to 5 Tango/Rhythm Sunday, June 27 12 to 1:30 Lead & Follow 2 to 3:30 Navigation 3:30 to 5 Milonga Monday, June 28 Available for Private Lessons Tuesday, June 29 6:30 to 8 Tango Technique 8 to 9:30 Waltz Wednesday, June 30 Available for Private Lessons Book Privates with Susana Miller by calling 212-807-0802 or by visiting the Dance Manhattan front desk. Pricing on Susan's Workshops: $25 for one workshop $20 for each additional workshop that day $140 package for all workshops (must be purchased by Friday, June 25) <snip> The usual disclaimers - I am in no way asssociated w/Dance Manhattan and have no financial interests in this event. Come visit with us in Atlanta for a Nora Dinzelbacher weekend Jul 30 - Aug 1, and our Labor Day weekend milonga with live music Regards, Danny Waggoner www.tango-atlanta.com

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:29:36 +0100 From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: Re: Musical defintions Cortina is a short piece of a song between sets of tandas in a milonga Tanda is a group of 4 songs played in a row, usually all by the same orchestra and in the same style.

Original Message----- From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV> To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>

Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 7:44 PM Subject: Musical defintions > The discussion on musical selections by DJs is interesting. It > would be very helpful if somebody would define - > > cortina > > tanda > > Thanks very much. I'm trying to stay in the loop. > > Confused in Washington, DC

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:50:25 -0400 From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET> Subject: Re: Musical defintions From: Michael Ditkoff Tuesday, June 22, 1999 2:35 PM > would be very helpful if somebody would define - > > cortina > > tanda Of course, everyone knows that a cortina is a very small accordian, used as a substitute for the bandoneon aboard sailing ships, where space is at a premium, and that a tanda is a bicycle bult for two, seen only rarely at milongas. I hate myself for doing that, but I only did it knowing that someone else already gave a useful answer. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Hi Mike! "Cortina is a short piece of a song between sets of tandas in a milonga Tanda is a group of 4 songs played in a row, usually all by the same orchestra and in the same style."

as posted by Manuel Patino In the milongas I usually attend, the dj will typically play several tandas, with only a pause between them. There is an occasional cortina, but not between every tanda. Some tandas are all tangos; others mix milonga and vals. If we hear a milonga, we know that it will be followed by a second vals, and then 2 milongas. The cortinas are salsas/mambos, sambas or swings. They're always the same segments of the same songs. After experiencing them a few times, we can choose to dance for the 20 seconds or so, and know just when they're going to end (so we don't have surprised looks on our faces). I like Manuel's points about playing whole songs other than tangos, which I repeat here (with permission) from a private email: "I've noticed that even in Bs As some milongas play cortinas while others actually offer breaks where salsa, swing or folclore is played and danced. It seems to depend on each milonga. I like to do a few other dances in between the tango sets. Many other people also enjoy a variety of other dances. Of course, a milonga is primarily a tango dance and should consist mainly of tango, vals and milonga music, but I think it is nice to break with the other dances as well. "Personally, I think that milongas can be more appealing to a wider variety of people if a *little* of the other dances is offered. Many new tangueros and tangueras have experience with other dances and sometimes they are quite accomplished in Salsa, swing, etc. These people are very happy to get the opportunity to dance and show that they too can dance well, even if their tango is just in the beginning stages. There are also casual guests who wander in to see what it's all about or guests of tangueros who do not know tango. These people also like to hear a little bit of familiar music and maybe dance to something they know. It seems that this little breaks make a milonga a little more *inclusive* and comfortable to those who are new to the tango scene. Perhaps this would be good to promote and propagate the tango. And yes, I've seen the floor fill up with dancers even in Bs As when other dances are played." Tangringo ____________________ Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane Harriman, NY oldzeid @frontiernet.net Visit us at Hudson Valley Tango http://nycdc.com/hvtango =================== Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm Por el fomento y progreso del Tango ===================

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:44:22 EDT From: Verena Faigle <VERENAV @AOL.COM> Subject: el brujo- Eduardo Cappussi Hi there,=20 since the last mail about Eduardo Cappussi is concerning his Germany-tour=20 I'll put this one in German as well :-) Sorry to the others. Aus eigener Erfahrung kann ich Edurado als Lehrer waermstens empfehlen. Wer im vergangen Jahr die Gelegenheit nutze bei Omar Vega einen Kurs=20 mitzumachen, der wird merken, da=DF sich Ihr Stil in gewisser Weise aehnelt.=20 Wer also die schoenen, kleinen und feinen Schrittchen mag, ist bei Eduardo=20 und Mariana bestens aufgehoben.=20 Nutz die Gelegenheit, solange er in Deutschland ist! Beste Gruesse Verena =DCbrigens ist er am 25./26./27.06. in Karlsruhe in der Tanztrib=FCne.

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:03:31 -0700 From: Hal Waite <halwaite @LVCM.COM> Subject: Looking for Dance Shoes in LA Area I would appreciate any recommendation of a large dance shoe outlet with a good selection in the LA area (Hollywood, Burbank, Westwood, etc.). My wife and I will visit there in the next few days. Thanks in advance. Hal

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:41:41 +0000 From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM> Subject: "Tango Magic" on PBS The Public Broadcasting System is airing a special on the history of tango. It's narrated by Hector Elizondo & has performances by "Forever Tango" dancers. The setting depicts Buenos Aires at the turn of the century. In Los Angeles it will be shown this Thursday night at 8:00 - 9:30 on KCET (Channel 6 in my area). Elsewhere it may shown at different dates & times. Larry de Los Angeles http://home.att.net/~larrydla PS NOTE: If you've bookmarked my URL, please make sure you have the new one shown above rather than the old one. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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