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There are 15 messages totalling 882 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Omar Vega's Boston schedule
2. A Question about a dance troupe called Tango Kinesis (2)
3. Pepito's food commentary (5)
4. More on Food in Buenos Aires
5. Avignon (France) Festival, Theatre, Buenos Aires and Tango
6. (no subject)
7. food in B.A.
8. FW: ABOUT FOOD !
9. AVIGNON...etc. 2. edition
10. Food, IMHO...
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:37:55 EDT
From: Verena Faigle <VERENAV @AOL.COM>
Subject: Omar Vega's Boston schedule
Dear list,
on request, here is O.V.'s Boston schedule:
Omar Vega will be teaching workshops in the Boston area during the weekend of
July 24-25, 1999.
There will be a milonga on Saturday, July 24 at the First Baptist Church in
Central Square.
Register by July 21 to get the advance/discount price. There will be a
limited number of private lessons (couples only!) available with Omar on
Monday, July 26 and Tuesday, July 27; . For more information, write to Vicky
Magaletta at vickymag @aol.com or call 781-799-0129.
To register for the workshops, please print out and use the registration form
(internet adress:www.havetodance.com/tango/teachers.html#workshops)
Saturday, July 24 at the First Baptist Church in Cambridge
11:30-noon - registration
Noon-1:30 pm - Tango Para la Pista I
2:00-3:30 pm - Tango Para la Pista II
3:00-5:30 pm - Intro to Milonga
8:00-11:00 pm - "Milonga" The Party
Sunday, July 25 at St. John's United Methodist Church in Watertown
Noon-12:30 pm - registration
12:30-2:00 pm - Milonga I - Beginner
2:30-4:00 pm - Milonga II - Intermediate
4:30-6:00 pm - Milonga III - Advanced
He might stay some more days after the workshops. So more privat lessons
might be available....
Verena
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:14:54 +0000
From: James Murphy <cmurf @WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Subject: A Question about a dance troupe called Tango Kinesis
Has anyone on the list seen a dance troupe called "Tango Kinesis"?
They are appearing in Northampton, MA in November and the the ad says, "This
Buenos Aires-based dance troupe directed by choreographer Ana Marie
Stekelman, has created an international sensation with choreography that
fuses the classic tango with contemporary dance."
Any info from folks who have seen the show or know anything about the group
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
jim murphy
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:30:35 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Pepito's food commentary
I will leave to others the opportunity to debate the merits of Pepito's New
Tango philosophy, but will second his comments about food in Bs.As. (he
begins his reasoning with a brief culinary history of the city).
Every country has its strong points and its weak points, it should be said.
Buenos Aires is my favorite city, and has some wonderful aspects, but food
is not one of them. In fact, IMHO, compared to about 40 othere countries,
Argentina has the worse, the most unhealthy, the most bland and repetitous
food I have ever imagined (and I thought Brazil was bad).
As Pepito said, the lack of variation, the virtually identical fare at most
restaurants, is amazing. There are essentially no vegetables or fruits in
the Argentinian diet, as far as I can see. Fortunately, there are little
urban mini-markets throughout the city where you can buy raw vegatables,
but, the vast majority of restaurants don't serve a single vegetable dish
(not even a side dish for your entree). What are called salads (if there
is any salad listed whatsoever) are absolutely pathetic (although
admittedly, I am a Californian): "Salads" are a single variety of lettuce,
chopped into peices no greater than a centimeter in length, with chopped
tomato, and massive amounts of chopped onion. That's about all that's
available, even in nice restaurants.
The concept of "salad dressing" is one that has not arrived in Latin
America. During three trips to Argentina (3 months travel), I only found
one restaurant that had any type of dressing other than oil and vinegar and
salt (and that was in Recoleta, and it was a mayonaise-based
mustard-flavored paste to smear on the chopped lettuce).
You might think that the meat - the famous Argentine meat - would make up
for the stupefying lack of creativity or diversion in the porte=F1o diet, bu=
t
my experience was just the opposite. I don't think you could sell in the
USA what passes for meat dishes in the usual Argentine restaurant. Don't
get me wrong, I love a good steak, but these pieces of meat were so
stringy, so fatty, so laden with huge marbled lumps of pure fat, that they
were disgusting. I have never even seen meat with so much fat in an
American store. I guarantee the visitor that, on one plate in front of
them, they will see more fat (often 50% of the weight of the piece) than
they have ever flushed down their disposals at home after returning from
the butcher. I never had one piece of meat there that I would consider
lean, or consistent in texture, or appearance.
On top of this, the amount of sugar and candy and sweetened breads and
custard (and the like) served and eaten every day by Argentines, is
mind-boggling.
I have never seen a more unhealthy diet in all my travels. My medical
colleagues in Argentina say that is price is paid every day in their
practices: very high rates of coronary heart disease, colon cancer, and
the like.
The news is not 100% bad, however. On my last trip, I found an
all-you-can-eat salad place on Lavalle near Maip=FA, (oil and vinegar only,
however), and I got the addresses of two vegetarian restaurants. In
addition, I have to believe the the better high-end new restaurants around
Peurto Madero, and other gourmet-level establishments MUST have imitated
their European and North American counterparts in the introduction of SOME
kind of vegetables, better salads, maybe even salad dressings, in their
menus. This is only supposition, however, as I have not eaten in such
places.
All this reminds me of reading the Frommer's guides to travel in Brazil,
years ago. In no other travel books or guides, about any country, have I
ever read the advisory that one should take along vitamins from one's home
country, because the nutrition was so bad and diet so unhealthy (as in
Brazil). Unfortunately, Argentina is worse. Take your vitamins, and have
someone from home send you vegetable care packages via Federal Express
(even with 2-3 days in transit, you will still be extremely happy to see,
touch, smell, - and eat - some real vegetables).
_________________________________________________________
Steve Hoffman
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:18:52 EDT
From: Victor Crichton <victor_vsc @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: More on Food in Buenos Aires
I too found the food in Buenos Aires to be lacking in the area of
vegetables.
If you want more variety of dishes, try some of the restaurants with signs
that say 'Tenedor Libre'. If you are not familiar with this term, they are
basically buffets but the literal translation would be 'Free Fork'. I'm not
sure if that is because you can wander freely with your fork and take as
much as you want or whether it is a statement to show that there is not an
extra charge for silverware as there is in many restaurants.
One in particular is called 'Mi Casal'. It is in the next block from the
Bauen Hotel and across the street from Zival's CD and Book store. Sorry, I
can't remember the street names. Mi Casal is run by Orientals, which may
explain the larger variety and expanded use of vegetables. It was
considered very good by everyone in our group and was quite inexpensive.
Steve, if you could post the names and locations of the vegetarian
restaurants that you found, I would really appreciate it. I am planning on
returning to Buenos Aires in Feb and they would greatly enhance my trip.
Victor Crichton
Tampa Bay, Florida, USA
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:24:05 EDT
From: Claude Dumont <CLDUMONT @AOL.COM>
Subject: Avignon (France) Festival, Theatre, Buenos Aires and Tango
Textes en Francais, Deutsch, Castellano and English
( vive l=B4europe!)
Information de premiere main pour les nostalgiques=20
de BsAs et du "Old Tango".
Le Festival d Avignon presente cette annee, a partir du 9/7
et chaque soir pendant 3 semaines, une oeuvre intitulee:=20
=09=09" Les Gloires de Buenos Aires"=20
ou en castillan "Glorias Porte=F1as" (avec un ~ sur le n).=20
Les representations se feront au Lycee Saint Joseph
amenage specialement en Tangueria (Milongua) a cet
effet. Cette une oeuvre theatrale avec des chansons. Les
textes parles (pas les chansons) sont sous-titres sur=20
ecran (comme dans les cinemas de BsAs). Apres la=20
representation les spectateurs peuvent rester pour dancer
(le tango biensur).
Il y a aussi, inclue specialement dans cette oeuvre=20
tipiquement portena et adaptee pour le festival, une=20
excellante, mais malheureusement trop courte,=20
demonstration de Tango par Camila et Tate de BsAs.=20
En principe une atmophere tres Porte=F1a ou vous=20
pourrez manger les fameuses empanadas.
Avant les representations il est prevu des cours de Tango
par Camila et Tate.=20
Pour plus de renseignements veuillez vous adresser=20
par e-mail a "gloriasportenas @hotmail.com" et ajouter
"(para Camila Villamil)" pour les renseignements sur les
cours.
Siehe untenstehend =DCbersetzung in Deutsch.
Traducion en Castellano mas adelante.
english translation dow.
Erste Hand Information f=FCr die, die Heimweh nach BsAs
und den "old Tango" haben.
Vom 9.7 und f=FCr 3 Wochen das Internationaltheaterfestival
von Avignon (Frankreich, sur le pont d Avignon...etc. etc.)
bietet dieses Jahr in seinem Programm ein Meisterst=FCck=20
aus Buenos Aires auch mit Lieder und mit (leider kleine aber
exzellente) Tangovorf=FChrung von Camila und Tate zwei jung-
talentierten aber noch nicht professionellen T=E4nzer.=20
Das St=FCck heisst :
=09=09=09" Les Gloires de Buenos Aires"=20
in Castellano "Glorias Portenas" und wird in den Lycee=20
Saint Josepf jeden Tag vorgef=FChrt.=20
Die Darsteller sind bekannte Schauspieler aus der=20
Theaterszene bzw. dem Fernseh in BsAs.=20
Der Saal wird als Tangueria oder Milongua dargestellt=20
und nach der Auff=FChrung die Zuschauer k=F6nnen bleiben=20
und Tango tanzen und die ber=FChmte empanadas essen.
Die Texten werden auf einer Leinwand =FCbersetzt=20
(wahrscheinlich nur in franz=F6sisch) aber nicht die Lieder.
Vor der Auff=FChrung wird m=F6glicherweise Tangounterricht
angeboten (ich hoffe gratis!)=20
Wenn sie mehr wissen wollen bitte per e-mail an:
gloriasportenas @hotmail.com , dazu: (para Camila Villamil)
=FCber den Unterricht.=20
=09=09=09
Ahora en castellano para mi amigos en Madrid, Barcelona
y Valencia
El famoso "Festival International de Theatre" en Avignon
incluyo este ano en su programa una Obra Argentina con
caracteristicas portenas(disculpe por la n con ~, no la tengo)=20
La obra se llama :
=09Les gloires de Buenos Aires=09("Glorias porte=F1as")
Comenzara el dia 9 de julio, durante tres semanas, y
se desarrollara todas las noches que dure el Festival, en un=20
lugar que armaron especialmente como tangueria (tambien=20
se podran comer empanadas) este lugar se=20
llama : Lycee Saint Joseph.
El director de la obra, incluyo una corta pero excelente=20
representacion de Tango, especialmente para este festival.
Es realizada por Camila Villamil y Tate, su companero=20
de baile.
Despu=E9s que termina el espect=E1culo, la gente puede=20
quedarse bailando. Posiblemente alli mismo van a dar =20
clases mas temprano Camila y Tate.=20
La direccion e-mail para este evento es :
=09=09=09=09 gloriasportenas @hotmail.com.
Si quieren comunicarse especialmente con Camila=20
deberan colocar: "para Camila Villamil".
=09=09
Now English Translation
First hand information for the BsAshomesick travelers
traveling in France in July
The famous "Festival International de Theatre" in Avignon
(France) this month will be including in its program a=20
Argentine play with a "porte=F1o" touch.
The texts will be translated on a screen but not the songs.
The play is called in BsAs : "Glorias Porte=F1as"
in french for the Festival : "Les gloires de Buenos Aires"
in English : " The Glories of Buenos Aires".
It begins the 9th of July for three weeks of evening performances
during the festival in a place called : Lycee Saint joseph
( Saint Joseph s high school), wihch is somewhat like a
Tangeria, where you can also eat empanadas.
The director of the play has included a short but excellent
representation of Tango dancing, especially for the festival.
This is performed by Camila Villamil and her partner Tate,=20
two young non professional but talented dancers. After the
representation, you can stay and dance. Before the play,
Camila and Tate will probably give classes.
The e-mail address for the event is:
=09=09=09=09gloriasportenas @hotmail.com
If you want to communicate with Camila, indicate that the
e-mail is for Camila Villamil.
The end
Claude (Alias El Franchute) BsAs.
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:38:13 EDT
From: "Laurie Moseley (at home)" <LGMoseley @AOL.COM>
Subject: (no subject)
I'm trying to find a Pugliese CD which contains Gallo Ciego. If anyone knows
of such a CD, I'd be grateful if they'd let me know.
With thanks
Laurie (Laurence)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:48:09 EDT
From: Fernando Filippelli <ferfilip @E-MAIL.COM>
Subject: Pepito's food commentary
If food in the US is so much Healthier than in Argentina....Why are there
so many overweight individuals in the US?
Typical Argentinean vegetable dishes include: Torta Pascualina, all sort
of quishes made out of broccoli, spinach, swiss chart, other types of charts,
etc.....These dishes are served in any "typical" restaurant in Buenos Aires.
In addition I believe the lettuce that Porten~os eat have much less pesticides
than the crows grown in the Salinas Valley (lettuce capital of the US).
Yes Steve, you are right about the lack of salad dressings. Most of
Argentineans use natural Olive oil and vinegar instead of those elaborated
"Fat free" salad dressings......I guess is all a matter of taste.
Variety of ethnic restaurants in Argentina is obviously not be as large as in
other parts of the world, but after living 1/3 of my life in the US I find
Argentinean food much Healthier than other countries, especially the US.
Fernando.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:30:35 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Pepito's food commentary
To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
I will leave to others the opportunity to debate the merits of Pepito's New
Tango philosophy, but will second his comments about food in Bs.As. (he
begins his reasoning with a brief culinary history of the city).
Every country has its strong points and its weak points, it should be said.
Buenos Aires is my favorite city, and has some wonderful aspects, but food
is not one of them. In fact, IMHO, compared to about 40 othere countries,
Argentina has the worse, the most unhealthy, the most bland and repetitous
food I have ever imagined (and I thought Brazil was bad).
As Pepito said, the lack of variation, the virtually identical fare at most
restaurants, is amazing. There are essentially no vegetables or fruits in
the Argentinian diet, as far as I can see. Fortunately, there are little
urban mini-markets throughout the city where you can buy raw vegatables,
but, the vast majority of restaurants don't serve a single vegetable dish
(not even a side dish for your entree). What are called salads (if there
is any salad listed whatsoever) are absolutely pathetic (although
admittedly, I am a Californian): "Salads" are a single variety of lettuce,
chopped into peices no greater than a centimeter in length, with chopped
tomato, and massive amounts of chopped onion. That's about all that's
available, even in nice restaurants.
The concept of "salad dressing" is one that has not arrived in Latin
America. During three trips to Argentina (3 months travel), I only found
one restaurant that had any type of dressing other than oil and vinegar and
salt (and that was in Recoleta, and it was a mayonaise-based
mustard-flavored paste to smear on the chopped lettuce).
You might think that the meat - the famous Argentine meat - would make up
for the stupefying lack of creativity or diversion in the porteno diet, but
my experience was just the opposite. I don't think you could sell in the
USA what passes for meat dishes in the usual Argentine restaurant. Don't
get me wrong, I love a good steak, but these pieces of meat were so
stringy, so fatty, so laden with huge marbled lumps of pure fat, that they
were disgusting. I have never even seen meat with so much fat in an
American store. I guarantee the visitor that, on one plate in front of
them, they will see more fat (often 50% of the weight of the piece) than
they have ever flushed down their disposals at home after returning from
the butcher. I never had one piece of meat there that I would consider
lean, or consistent in texture, or appearance.
On top of this, the amount of sugar and candy and sweetened breads and
custard (and the like) served and eaten every day by Argentines, is
mind-boggling.
I have never seen a more unhealthy diet in all my travels. My medical
colleagues in Argentina say that is price is paid every day in their
practices: very high rates of coronary heart disease, colon cancer, and
the like.
The news is not 100% bad, however. On my last trip, I found an
all-you-can-eat salad place on Lavalle near Maipu, (oil and vinegar only,
however), and I got the addresses of two vegetarian restaurants. In
addition, I have to believe the the better high-end new restaurants around
Peurto Madero, and other gourmet-level establishments MUST have imitated
their European and North American counterparts in the introduction of SOME
kind of vegetables, better salads, maybe even salad dressings, in their
menus. This is only supposition, however, as I have not eaten in such
places.
All this reminds me of reading the Frommer's guides to travel in Brazil,
years ago. In no other travel books or guides, about any country, have I
ever read the advisory that one should take along vitamins from one's home
country, because the nutrition was so bad and diet so unhealthy (as in
Brazil). Unfortunately, Argentina is worse. Take your vitamins, and have
someone from home send you vegetable care packages via Federal Express
(even with 2-3 days in transit, you will still be extremely happy to see,
touch, smell, - and eat - some real vegetables).
_________________________________________________________
Steve Hoffman
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:38:43 PDT
From: Pepito La Chofa <badchioce @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Pepito's food commentary
People, let's keep focused here!
Pepito
La vida es una milonga!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:54:59 -0600
From: Naomi Bennett <Naomiben @SWBELL.NET>
Subject: food in B.A.
The simple solution to this problem is to rent a room in B.A. with kitchen
access. I did that and there were plenty of wonderful vegetables I bought
at the markets, many already precut and mixed so all I had to do was saute
them. I eat well every day, enjoyed cafe with media lunas, empanadas and
custards. The bakeries had wonderful french breads, the cheese and wine
from Mendoza was great and the fruits and veggies were plentiful in the
markets. I would agree that the restaurants were plain but I only ate out
about one meal a day for two weeks.
>From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
>Subject: Pepito's food commentary
it should be said.
>Buenos Aires is my favorite city, and has some wonderful aspects, but food
>is not one of them.
I don't think you could sell in the
>USA what passes for meat dishes in the usual Argentine restaurant. Don't
>get me wrong,
>On top of this, the amount of sugar and candy and sweetened breads and
>custard (and the like) served and eaten every day by Argentines, is
>mind-boggling.
>
>I have never seen a more unhealthy diet in all my travels. Take your
vitamins, and have
>someone from home send you vegetable care packages via Federal Express
Naomi Bennett
Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:56:50 -0700
From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Pepito's food commentary
I agree with Fernando. The food as well as the tango is at
least a notch above the popular American cuisine. Nothing
wrong with the food in Bs As that a little judicious
choosing will not cure.
Since so many of us go to Bs As now days, I think it's great
to share tips on food as we do about everything else in Bs
As. When we were there last year we cooked in the apartment
a good bit. Obtainig fresh, good food was very easy and
covenient. Actually the fresh food was a much closer walk
than the Estrella and La Viruta, and the salon was an easy
walk from our apartment :-)
buen provecho,
Manuel
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:34:14 -0600
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz @CSN.NET>
Subject: Re: Pepito's food commentary
Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>:
>Every country has its strong points and its weak points, it should be said.
>Buenos Aires is my favorite city, and has some wonderful aspects, but food
>is not one of them. In fact, IMHO, compared to about 40 othere countries,
>Argentina has the worse, the most unhealthy, the most bland and repetitous
>food I have ever imagined (and I thought Brazil was bad).
...
>_________________________________________________________
>Steve Hoffman
On first glance it also seemed difficult to get a variety of food in BsAs,
but once you get to know the different restaurants and also how to order
you actually have a lot of choices...less so if you are vegetarian.
Your basic salad is formed by choosing which vegetables you want to have in
it. If you don't know the words for all those vegetables, then, you will
have a hard time constructing what you want. A friend ordered tuna salad,
and it arrived as a slab of lettuce with the imprint of the tuna can still
in the pile of tuna...hmmm.
Regarding international cuisine, there is a whole row of Spanish
restaurants on Ave de Mayo, a couple of blocks up from 9 de Julio. They
have a good variety of dishes.
But the best food is in the little corner restaurants away from the city
center. By your third visit the waiter already knows that you want to start
with a cortado doble and an agua mineral con gas. The plate of the day
might be a hearty stew or an italian pasta dish, or grilled chicken.
I liked the grilled meat, finding it less fatty than those big american
steaks, perhaps due to grass fed cattle. (I'm not talking about the
mega-sized parillas, where you are best not translating the names for those
cuts!)
I'm mystified by the reference to poor Brazilian food.
Brazil is so diverse and there has been so much internal mobility that you
have tremendous variety in any of the cities. In Sao Paulo where I lived,
you can easily order
--the traditional feijoada essentially rice with black beans and hamhocks,
greens and manioc flour (Rio de Janeiro)
--a parilla grill just like Argentina (South of Brazil),
--sausages and beans and rice (state of Minas Gerais),
--shrimp patties with hot suace fried in palm oil, (african influence from
the state of Bahia),
--chicken rolls on a drumstick (arab),
--not to mention the italian or japanese or german, to list the other large
immigrant groups).
My favorite snack is the mini (6 inch) sword fish, which is grilled and
eaten whole, but for the head and sword that the beach vendors sell in
Recife along the northeast coast.
Again your best bet is often the "working man's plate of the day" at a
corner cafe.
Every corner cafe makes liquados, smoothies based on yogurt or milk with
fruits and avocado and oatmeal and ... Then we get into the spectacular ice
creams made of tropical fruits like passion fruit, Cashew fruit, carambola
(star fruit) pitanga, custard apple...
Tom Stermitz
2612 Clermont St
Denver, CO 80207
Chautauqua Publishing / Ragtime Interiors
"On-Line Arts & Crafts Movement Resource Directory."
(303) 388 - 2560
stermitz @ragtime.org
http://www.ragtime.org/ragtime/
http://www.tango.org/dance/
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:42:57 -0600
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz @CSN.NET>
Subject: Re: A Question about a dance troupe called Tango Kinesis
>Has anyone on the list seen a dance troupe called "Tango Kinesis"?
>
>They are appearing in Northampton, MA in November and the the ad says, "This
>Buenos Aires-based dance troupe directed by choreographer Ana Marie
>Stekelman, has created an international sensation with choreography that
>fuses the classic tango with contemporary dance."
>
>Any info from folks who have seen the show or know anything about the group
>would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>jim murphy
Tango Kinesis performed two years ago at the Colorado Dance Festival.
I would call it modern dance with many tango elements.
Most of my friends and I were entranced by the performances. They were
beautiful, ethereal and creative.
The most memorable was done to classical music: a beautiful woman in red
lies on a slab. Her double rises in a white dress to dance with a man. The
theme was perhaps the soul and the dreamworld or perhaps it was about death.
The cast members were fun and available, teaching tango classes to the
local dancers.
I remember Ana Maria Stekelman sitting quietly and watching people from the
edge of the classroom. She studied dance in New York in the early sixties,
and some of the serious dancers watching the performance felt they were
seeing movements that were a kind of a throwback to that period in modern
dance.
Ana Maria is a figure in the tango world of Buenos Aires, associated (I
believe) with the club Gricel.
Tom Stermitz
2612 Clermont St
Denver, CO 80207
Chautauqua Publishing / Ragtime Interiors
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:41:44 -0400
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: FW: ABOUT FOOD !
Original Message-----
From: SERGIO [mailto:SERGIO @NCINTER.NET]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 11:38 PM
To: TANGO-L @MITTVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: ABOUT FOOD !
SOMEBODY WROTE:
" Argentina has the worse, the most unhealthy, the most bland and
repetitious food I have ever imagined..."
The cuisine of the different countries is strongly related to their
culture. The predominant culture in Argentina is that of the latin countries
of Europe; Spain, Italy, France. The cusine reflects the culinary habits of
those countries superimposed to some native elements. A tipical milonguero
in Buenos Aires, starts the day with MATE AND FACTURAS (Pastries of
different shape, taste and names),at noon salad (great variety-you need to
know the names of the ingredients), meat (various cuts, different than those
in the USA)grilled,boiled,like milanesas (meat,passed by eggs, bread crumbs
and fried)topped by eggs,or ham,or cheese, tomato sauce,etc)potatoes,flan or
fruit,wine,coffe or mate.
About 5 pm. mate and croissants.
Sometimes pizza, sometimes pastas. But the ASADO (barbeque) is an important
social event. Although dinner is suppossed to start at 9PM. people start
arriving about 6 PM., the fire is started very slowly (charcoal and wood for
better taste), there is conversation, card games,the mate is passed around,
the different types of meats and chicken cook very slowly, and finally
everybody seats at the table while salads and meats are brought to you
intermittently, red wine,then cakes,coffe. The meal is usually followed by
guitar playing and singing. Some swiss pastries are passed around.
Since the food is brought to the market on a dayly basis it generally has
better taste than in the USA.
I could speaks for hours about one of the best food in the world but I am
affraid to take to much of your time.
Till the next MATE, SERGIO
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:16:02 EDT
From: Claude Dumont <CLDUMONT @AOL.COM>
Subject: AVIGNON...etc. 2. edition
Textes en Francais, Deutsch, Castellano and English
( vive l europe!)=20
Information de premiere main pour les nostalgiques=20
de BsAs et du "Old Tango".
Le Festival d Avignon presente cette annee, a partir du 9/7
et chaque soir pendant 3 semaines, une oeuvre intitulee:=20
=09=09" Les Gloires de Buenos Aires"=20
ou en castillan "Glorias Portenas" (avec un ~ sur le n).=20
Les representations se feront au Lycee Saint Joseph
amenage specialement en Tangueria (Milongua) a cet
effet. Cette une oeuvre theatrale avec des chansons. Les
textes parles (pas les chansons) sont sous-titres sur=20
ecran (comme dans les cinemas de BsAs). Apres la=20
representation les spectateurs peuvent rester pour dancer
(le tango biensur).
Il y a aussi, inclue specialement dans cette oeuvre=20
tipiquement portena et adaptee pour le festival, une=20
excellante, mais malheureusement trop courte,=20
demonstration de Tango par Camila et Tate de BsAs.=20
En principe une atmophere tres Portena ou vous=20
pourrez manger les fameuses empanadas.
Avant les representations il est prevu des cours de Tango
par Camila et Tate.=20
Pour plus de renseignements veuillez vous adresser=20
par e-mail a "gloriasportenas @hotmail.com" et ajouter
"(para Camila Villamil)" pour les renseignements sur les
cours.
Siehe untenstehend Uebersetzung in Deutsch.
Traducion en Castellano mas adelante.
english translation dow.
Erste Hand Information f=FCr die, die Heimweh nach BsAs
und den "old Tango" haben.
Vom 9.7 und fuer 3 Wochen das Internationaltheaterfestival
von Avignon (Frankreich, sur le pont d Avignon...etc. etc.)
bietet dieses Jahr in seinem Programm ein Meisterstueck=20
aus Buenos Aires auch mit Lieder und mit (leider kleine aber
exzellente) Tangovorfuehrung von Camila und Tate zwei jung-
talentierten aber noch nicht professionellen Taenzer.=20
Das Stueck heisst :
=09=09=09" Les Gloires de Buenos Aires"=20
in Castellano "Glorias Portenas" und wird in den Lycee=20
Saint Josepf jeden Tag vorgefuehrt.=20
Die Darsteller sind bekannte Schauspieler aus der=20
Theaterszene bzw. dem Fernseh in BsAs.=20
Der Saal wird als Tangueria oder Milongua dargestellt=20
und nach der Auffuehrung die Zuschauer koennen bleiben=20
und Tango tanzen und die beruehmte empanadas essen.
Die Texten werden auf einer Leinwand uebersetzt=20
(wahrscheinlich nur in franzoesisch) aber nicht die Lieder.
Vor der Auffuehrung wird moeglicherweise Tangounterricht
angeboten (ich hoffe gratis!)=20
Wenn sie mehr wissen wollen bitte per e-mail an:
gloriasportenas @hotmail.com , dazu: (para Camila Villamil)
=FCber den Unterricht.=20
=09=09=09
Ahora en castellano para mi amigos en Madrid, Barcelona
y Valencia
El famoso "Festival International de Theatre" en Avignon
incluyo este ano en su programa una Obra Argentina con
caracteristicas portenas(disculpe por la n con ~, no la tengo)=20
La obra se llama :
=09Les gloires de Buenos Aires=09("Glorias portenas")
Comenzara el dia 9 de julio, durante tres semanas, y
se desarrollara todas las noches que dure el Festival, en un=20
lugar que armaron especialmente como tangueria (tambien=20
se podran comer empanadas) este lugar se=20
llama : Lycee Saint Joseph.
El director de la obra, incluyo una corta pero excelente=20
representacion de Tango, especialmente para este festival.
Es realizada por Camila Villamil y Tate, su companero=20
de baile.
Despu=E9s que termina el espect=E1culo, la gente puede=20
quedarse bailando. Posiblemente alli mismo van a dar =20
clases mas temprano Camila y Tate.=20
La direccion e-mail para este evento es :
=09=09=09=09 gloriasportenas @hotmail.com.
Si quieren comunicarse especialmente con Camila=20
deberan colocar: "para Camila Villamil".
=09=09
Now English Translation
First hand information for the BsAshomesick travelers
traveling in France in July
The famous "Festival International de Theatre" in Avignon
(France) this month will be including in its program a=20
Argentine play with a "porteno" touch.
The texts will be translated on a screen but not the songs.
The play is called in BsAs : "Glorias Portenas"
in french for the Festival : "Les gloires de Buenos Aires"
in English : " The Glories of Buenos Aires".
It begins the 9th of July for three weeks of evening performances
during the festival in a place called : Lycee Saint joseph
( Saint Joseph s high school), wihch is somewhat like a
Tangeria, where you can also eat empanadas.
The director of the play has included a short but excellent
representation of Tango dancing, especially for the festival.
This is performed by Camila Villamil and her partner Tate,=20
two young non professional but talented dancers. After the
representation, you can stay and dance. Before the play,
Camila and Tate will probably give classes.
The e-mail address for the event is:
=09=09=09=09gloriasportenas @hotmail.com
If you want to communicate with Camila, indicate that the
e-mail is for Camila Villamil.
The end
Claude (Alias El Franchute) BsAs.
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:28:59 EDT
From: Leanna Noel Mix <Leannas728 @AOL.COM>
Subject: Food, IMHO...
I could see how one, unfamiliar with the language, might not find the
availabe cuisine in Bs As to be user friendly. In my first (of hopefully
many) trip, I was overwhelmed by choices.
I don't eat a lot of wheat, or dairy, but found, when I followed the
schedule Sergio alluded to, that I was always able to eat healthily. In
particular, I became so enamored of "Tartas", especially "tarta aselga" or
"verdura", that vegetable consumption was a glorious experience. I even
searched out a book of recipes to bring home.
The best thing to do was to find the out-of-the-way cafes, pick one, and
return when possible. I still remember a pollo y arroz meal at Cafeteria
Bariloche (San Telmo) which was so wonderful, and so well priced. I also
found that the fruterias and groceries were convenient, and provided the
ingredients of many "al fresco" meals, despite not having a kitchen.
Even the pasta shops, where you can get fresh raviollis, noqui, and noodles,
also had ready made omlettes, delicious even when cold, after a day of dance.
And the beef! So amazing, and served exactly to the temperature specified.
Count me as an avid supporter of the many charms of that great city, and
please do not anticipate that in a metropolis of millions there is nothing
edible by American standards (poor as they are in general.).
Have a cafe cortado for me!
End of TANGO-L Digest - 8 Jul 1999 to 9 Jul 1999
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