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There are 12 messages totalling 586 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. "Tango" & the Oscars
2. Tango in Singapore
3. Diego & Gabriela
4. Miguel Calo (2)
5. Miguel Calo I made a mistake
6. MILONGUERO VS. SALON (3)
7. Nora's Tango Week (was: Diego & Gabriela)
8. Oops, sorry. (Re: Stanford dance weeks)
9. RE. Mayview Health Clinic milongas and events in March.
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:28:43 +0000
From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM>
Subject: "Tango" & the Oscars
I don't thing Carlo Saura's "Tango" has a chance of winning the
Oscar for best foreign language film.
Robert Benigni's "Life is Beautiful" seems certain to win. It has
received enormous press & favorable critical reviews & been
nominated for seven Oscars. This includes both Best Picture
AND Best Foreign Picture, a double nomination that I believe has
only happened once before. But since it's unlikely that a foreign
language film will win Best Picture ("Saving Private Ryan" is the
front-runner, followed closely by "Shakespeare in Love"),
the Academy will likely cast its votes for Best Foreign Picture
to "Life is Beautiful."
On the other hand, the nomination of "Tango" has increased its
visibility, & with it tango dancing & music - yet another milestone
in tango's continuing rapid growth. I wonder what will be the next
major consciousness-raising event?
Larry de Los Angeles
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:39:44 MET
From: Martin Petschke <petschke.bln @SNI.DE>
Subject: Tango in Singapore
Hola lista,
a lady friend will be moving from Germany to Singapore in a
couple of weeks.
Are there any milongas, teachers or other tango events ?
Thanx for listening
Martin
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:09:42 -0700
From: Richard Powers <vintage @LELAND.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Diego & Gabriela
Hi list:
On Monday, Stephen P Brown wrote:
> Diego Ladeveze and Gabriela Lopez are tango dancers and instructors
> from Rosario, Argentina. They are students of Orlando Paiva, and it
> shows in their elegant and expressive style....
I didn't mention the Stanford dance weeks to this list, even though they
feature Diego & Gabriela, because unfortunately they have to conflict with
Nora's tango week this year. But perhaps some of you might be interested
nevertheless.
If you would like to dance tango day and night during the week of July 4th,
I recommend that you take Nora Dinzelbacher's tango week in (I believe)
Oakland, CA. I don't have further information on her week, other than the
dates, but I'm sure it will be forthcoming.
BUT if you would like to mix Argentine tango (by Diego & Gabriela) with
other dances (salsa by Joby and Luis Vasquez, social dance by Buddy
Schwimmer, lindy hop by Rob van Haaren & Diane Thomas, historic Argentine
tango by Angela and I, Parisian bal musette by Michelle Nadal, etc.), or if
you miss the unique ambiance of the Stanford dance weeks, then check out
http://dance/DanceWeeks/danceweek.htm
However it is filling fast. We announced the dance weeks ten days ago and
already 93 out of 120 places have been taken through online registration.
Apologies for not telling you about it ten days ago.
There is also information about the Stanford swing week (the following
week) plus Prague (the following week), Vienna/Budapest (the following
week) and Paris (the following week) dance weeks at:
http://dance.stanford.edu
Hey, you can do two Bay Area dance weeks in a row. Binge! Nora's tango
week then the Stanford swing week, if you like extreme contrast in life. :)
I hope to see you either at Nora's week (I'll drop by as usual) or at Stanford.
- Richard
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:11:47 +0100
From: Schulz Johannes <j.schulz @STR.DAIMLER-BENZ.COM>
Subject: Miguel Calo
Hola muchachos!
I 'am also like Miguel Calo und I play frequently in our Milonga.
My favorite Calo CD is
Miguel Calo and Raul Beron form the Reliquias series called Al compas del
corazon DB 37413. This CD is brillant and I heared it in BA often in every
milonga.
Also really great is the El Bandoneon CD with Alberto Podesta called Yo soy el
Tango (EB 34)
There is another El Bandoneon CD with Raul Beron and Raul Iriarte which is also
really good dance music and is called Las esrellas (EB92)
Also a good tango CD is from FM Tango called con sus grandes cantantes (EM
028542). I brought this CD because of the vals amor y vals.
Now there is a new CD from the Reliquias serie with Miguel Calo and Raul
Iriarte and I'am very curirous if ihis CD has nearly the same quality than the
Reliquias CD with Raul Beron. It's called Miguel Calo sus exitos con Raul
Iriarte.
I know three other CD's from Miguel Calo
a. Loco Turbin (BL 17)
b. Trenzas (EM 037294)
c. frente a frente (FU 016145)
but I didn't brought them!
Ciao
Johannes
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:37:43 +0200
From: Mark Soekarjo <soekarjo @PROBIBLIO.NL>
Subject: Re: Miguel Calo
At 14:11 +0200 16-02-1999, Schulz Johannes wrote:
>Now there is a new CD from the Reliquias serie with Miguel Calo and Raul
>Iriarte and I'am very curirous if ihis CD has nearly the same quality than the
>Reliquias CD with Raul Beron. It's called Miguel Calo sus exitos con Raul
>Iriarte.
I like it a lot
dr. Mark W. Soekarjo
Digital Peppers Partnership
tel: +31 (0)20-5110460
fax: +31 (0)20-5110456
mail: soekarjo @digitalpeppers.com
http://www.digitalpeppers.com
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:35:10 +0100
From: Schulz Johannes <j.schulz @STR.DAIMLER-BENZ.COM>
Subject: Miguel Calo I made a mistake
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Sorry, I made a mistake!
Also a good tango CD is from FM Tango called con sus grandes cantantes
(EM 028542). I brought this CD because of the vals amor y vals.
Amor y vals is on the FM Tango CD Rodolfo Biagi Racing Club EM 052421
Ciao
Johannes
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Also a good tango CD is from FM Tango called con sus grandes cantantes
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:20:48 -0600
From: Roger Ray <r-ray @NWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: MILONGUERO VS. SALON
Nancy wrote:
> Give me a substantial man anyday!
Walter replied:
> Oh, no! Just when I finally took off those pounds and got my posture
> straighened out, you tell me you want me to stick that pot belly out
>there...
I say:
Boy, you think you've got problems? This is like the third strike against
me. Besides being bearded and balding (which, as one European observer
opined a while back, makes one prone to bumper-car behavior), I'm
practically a bantamweight bailarin ( 5'9" and < 140 lbs)
On a slightly more serious note, though, I often feel as though I don't
have quite enough "substance" to clearly communicate the lead. For
example, there have been numerous times, when trying to lead a fwd ocho at
the cruze, I've been met with:
1. a blank stare, followed by the question
2. "What do you want me to do?"
Even though this scenario usually transpires when dancing for the first
time with a follower who's unfamiliar to me, it's still pretty depressing
to find that I still can't communicate clearly the lead of a fairly common
figure. There's probably other failures of my technique that are at work
here, but it seems as though the ability to transfer momentum to the
follower is probably one important cue that followers use as a guide.
--
Roger Ray
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:49:12 -0600
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Nora's Tango Week (was: Diego & Gabriela)
Here is some information on Nora's tango week that I obtained from a
flyer that I picked up in the San Francisco Bay Area last week.
Tango Week: July 5-9 $455 per person paid before April 30.
Nito & Elba, Gavito & Marcella, El Indio & Mariana
Guillermina & Roberto, Nora Dinzelbacher, and New York Tango Trio
Tango Weekend: July 2-4 $275 per person paid before April 30
Nito & Elba, El Indio & Mariana, Orlando Paiva,
Guillermina & Roberto, and New York Tango Trio
Both the Tango Week and Tango Weekend $625 per person.
Location Emeryville Holiday Inn--across the Bay from San Francisco.
For more information call or Fax Nora at (510) 482-2524 or call Bob at
(530) 343-1199. Email: <Dem436 @aol.com> Webpage: <www.tangoweek.com>
--Steve de Tejas
(Absolutely no financial interest)
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Diego & Gabriela
Author: Richard Powers <vintage @LELAND.STANFORD.EDU>
Date: 2/16/99 1:09 AM
Hi list:
On Monday, Stephen P Brown wrote:
> Diego Ladeveze and Gabriela Lopez are tango dancers and instructors
> from Rosario, Argentina. They are students of Orlando Paiva, and it
> shows in their elegant and expressive style....
I didn't mention the Stanford dance weeks to this list, even though they
feature Diego & Gabriela, because unfortunately they have to conflict with
Nora's tango week this year. But perhaps some of you might be interested
nevertheless.
If you would like to dance tango day and night during the week of July 4th,
I recommend that you take Nora Dinzelbacher's tango week in (I believe)
Oakland, CA. I don't have further information on her week, other than the
dates, but I'm sure it will be forthcoming.
BUT if you would like to mix Argentine tango (by Diego & Gabriela) with
other dances (salsa by Joby and Luis Vasquez, social dance by Buddy
Schwimmer, lindy hop by Rob van Haaren & Diane Thomas, historic Argentine
tango by Angela and I, Parisian bal musette by Michelle Nadal, etc.), or if
you miss the unique ambiance of the Stanford dance weeks, then check out
http://dance/DanceWeeks/danceweek.htm
However it is filling fast. We announced the dance weeks ten days ago and
already 93 out of 120 places have been taken through online registration.
Apologies for not telling you about it ten days ago.
There is also information about the Stanford swing week (the following
week) plus Prague (the following week), Vienna/Budapest (the following
week) and Paris (the following week) dance weeks at:
http://dance.stanford.edu
Hey, you can do two Bay Area dance weeks in a row. Binge! Nora's tango
week then the Stanford swing week, if you like extreme contrast in life. :)
I hope to see you either at Nora's week (I'll drop by as usual) or at Stanford.
- Richard
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:21:17 -0500
From: Enrico Massetti <e_mass @EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: MILONGUERO VS. SALON
As a follower, I was given 3 different instructions from 3 different
sources. Here they are:
- The cross is not a stop, consequently if at the cross there is no lead,
the follower is supposed to get going entering in a grapewine to the
leader's right without missing a beat, unless of course the leader leads a
stop, a pause or a fwd ocho.
- This past week-end's workshop with Carina Losano and Pablo Fontana, Pablo
told me to wait for his lead instead. The lead consisted in a little touch
with the tip of his fingers on my back when he wanted me to start going.
Very nice feel and no uncertainty on my part.
- Metin Yazir simply starts turning his left shoulder to the back to make
room for the follower and signal the beginning of an ocho or a grapevine.
This also conveys a clear lead.
None of the above are people of any "substance".
As a follower, I do prefer some sort of lead. When at the cross, if the
leader stands there without giving me any clue it takes me a moment to
figure out what he wants from me. I guess it all depends on the level of
knowledge of the leader and the sensitivity of the follower, but not having
a lead can be confusing.
Mirella
Original Message-----
From: Roger Ray <r-ray @NWU.EDU>
To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: MILONGUERO VS. SALON
>Nancy wrote:
>
> > Give me a substantial man anyday!
>
>Walter replied:
>
>> Oh, no! Just when I finally took off those pounds and got my posture
>> straighened out, you tell me you want me to stick that pot belly out
>>there...
>
>I say:
>
>Boy, you think you've got problems? This is like the third strike against
>me. Besides being bearded and balding (which, as one European observer
>opined a while back, makes one prone to bumper-car behavior), I'm
>practically a bantamweight bailarin ( 5'9" and < 140 lbs)
>
>On a slightly more serious note, though, I often feel as though I don't
>have quite enough "substance" to clearly communicate the lead. For
>example, there have been numerous times, when trying to lead a fwd ocho at
>the cruze, I've been met with:
> 1. a blank stare, followed by the question
> 2. "What do you want me to do?"
>
>Even though this scenario usually transpires when dancing for the first
>time with a follower who's unfamiliar to me, it's still pretty depressing
>to find that I still can't communicate clearly the lead of a fairly common
>figure. There's probably other failures of my technique that are at work
>here, but it seems as though the ability to transfer momentum to the
>follower is probably one important cue that followers use as a guide.
>
>--
>Roger Ray
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:53:28 -0000
From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: MILONGUERO VS. SALON
Do not be discouraged, It is not mandatory to lead by only using close body
contact and mass. Actually, there are many, many teachers who teach how to
lead by the "position" of the body. The experienced follower *knows* what
the next step is by how the leader moves. In fact, a lot of the leading that
I use is very, very light. Almost imperceptible sometimes. Yet most
followers, even beginners, have little trouble following.
Keep up the good work, you'll get there!!
Manuel
Original Message-----
From: Roger Ray <r-ray @NWU.EDU>
To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: MILONGUERO VS. SALON
>Nancy wrote:
>
> > Give me a substantial man anyday!
>
>Walter replied:
>
>> Oh, no! Just when I finally took off those pounds and got my posture
>> straighened out, you tell me you want me to stick that pot belly out
>>there...
>
>I say:
>
>Boy, you think you've got problems? This is like the third strike against
>me. Besides being bearded and balding (which, as one European observer
>opined a while back, makes one prone to bumper-car behavior), I'm
>practically a bantamweight bailarin ( 5'9" and < 140 lbs)
>
>On a slightly more serious note, though, I often feel as though I don't
>have quite enough "substance" to clearly communicate the lead. For
>example, there have been numerous times, when trying to lead a fwd ocho at
>the cruze, I've been met with:
> 1. a blank stare, followed by the question
> 2. "What do you want me to do?"
>
>Even though this scenario usually transpires when dancing for the first
>time with a follower who's unfamiliar to me, it's still pretty depressing
>to find that I still can't communicate clearly the lead of a fairly common
>figure. There's probably other failures of my technique that are at work
>here, but it seems as though the ability to transfer momentum to the
>follower is probably one important cue that followers use as a guide.
>
>--
>Roger Ray
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:33:25 -0800
From: Richard Powers <vintage @LELAND.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Oops, sorry. (Re: Stanford dance weeks)
Hi again:
I accidentally sent the URL for browsing from on-campus.
On Tuesday, Richard Powers wrote:
> you miss the unique ambiance of the Stanford dance weeks, then check out
> http://dance/DanceWeeks/danceweek.htm
No, from off-campus, you need
http://dance.stanford.edu/DanceWeeks/danceweek.htm
The other URL, for ALL dance weeks, was good.
http://dance.stanford.edu
Richard
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:49:42 -0800
From: TangoMan <tangoman @HOOKED.NET>
Subject: RE. Mayview Health Clinic milongas and events in March.
>From: "Donna Sotiropoulos To Listserv @Mitvma.Bitnet" <VERGAD @AOL.COM>
>Subject: Mayview Health Clinic milongas and events in March.
>
>Many of you know that in Oct. MayView Health Clinic sponsored a=
tanogothon,
>and it was a great success, thanks to the bay area Tango community. This=
was
>a worthy cause.Mayview serves the underserved in the Palo Alto and Mountain
>View communities, provides health services, HIV testing, std testing and
>health education for people who cannot afford health services. Many of you
>danced until you dropped and the money is still coming in from that event.
>Thanks to all those who participated and gave of their time. This was a
>wonderful reason to dance.
Dear Tango friends,
I want to fill in few important facts missing in Donna's description of the
October Tangothon.
The most important is the fact that it was Donna who singlehanded organized,
promoted and brought to a rounding sucess a worthy event that counted with
the support of many members of our Tango community. Her unselfish dedication
and enthusiasm was inspiring and truly encouraging.
Donna is again spearheading a major fund raising event for the clinic and
this time she has enlisted the support of a great group of professionals
headed by Daniela, Armando, Marcos y Zita from Los Angeles.
Valorie and I are giving our one hundred percent support to Donna for the
Mayview Clinic benefit, and we will be around to enjoy the various
activities already planned. We will be dancing with all our friends at the
Cinema Cafe after the premiere of Saura's movie Tango on March 5, and I have
volunteered to play the music at the milonga after the performance at the
Mountain View Center on March 12.
As a matter of fact we have postponed our travel plans to be here in the
South Bay during March 5-14.
The other fact is the generous response that Daniela and Armando have given
to Donna's request to bring their blockbuster new production TANGOING to the
South Bay.
As an added bonus, Donna asked us to produce a series of weekend workshops
to offer the South Bay community an opportunity to have fun learning to
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The Teachers:
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Guillermo & Fernanda
Marcos & Zita
Diego & Carolina
Alberto & Valorie
Three Classes Daily with specific topics TBA
Saturday March 6 -Sunday March 7
12 Noon - 6 PM
Dance Spectrum, 1705 S. Bascom Ave., Campbell, CA
=20
Saturday March 13
12 Noon -6 PM
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Sunday March 14
12 Noon -6 PM
Place TBA
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