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There are 19 messages totalling 865 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Apt for Rent in Buenos Aires to tango dancers
2. Fwd: To the Tango-L
3. TANGO REVIEW
4. Tango News from Down Under [longish]
5. [Fwd: sexual release?]
6. [Metin Yazir]
7. Fire damages Tango venue in San Jose California
8. Whereabouts of Leandro Palou and Andrea Misse
9. EL COMPADRITO toe first tango walk.
10. Tango(?) Magic
11. Tango Magic (2)
12. EL CACHAFAZ
13. Tango in Madrid
14. Size of the side step in a grapevine
15. Toes and Leaning
16. light like a feather
17. Tango in Costa Rica?
18. some of last weeks topics
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:56:54 -0300
From: Janis Kenyon <jantango @FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
Subject: Apt for Rent in Buenos Aires to tango dancers
If you are coming to Buenos Aires for tango and are in need of an apartment
for a year beginning September 28, please read the following message I
received from the owner:
It is a two bedroom apartment with a large living-room ( 6 meters x 4
meters) with an eat-in kitchen and a bathroom. All the rooms are large and
look out (including the bathroom and the kitchen) It is an old and stylish
house in a corner that has been divided in three. My apartment is one of
them, it is about 90 meters all. There is also a roof (terrace) upstairs of
120 meters all mine. There are no maintenance expenses.
It is located 5 blocks from Primera Junta subway station, in Cachimayo and
Pedro Goyena Ave. and there are a lot of buses that pass in front or near
it. Of course it has a telephone line.
I am asking for between 700 / 600 per month (it depends if it is just one
person, a couple or two friends).
Serious inquiries should be directed to Veronica at verus @ciudad.com.ar
Janis Kenyon
Buenos Aires
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:28:00 EDT
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:01:54 -0700
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From: AlbertoPaz <tangoman @hooked.net>
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>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:23:55 -0400
>From: Nancy Ingle <ningle @RHS.BREVARD.K12.FL.US>
>Subject: Re: About Tangringo
>
> I believe Alberto Paz and Tangringo have started a new Newsgroup because
>they were unwilling or unable to abide by the rules of this Tango-L. I
>think some of the nastiness we are reading today was promoted by some
>members of that new group to effectively kill this group. Certain people
>have been 'invited' to join the new group....presumeably those people who
>will agree with the annointed leadership on all issues - disagreement or
>other opinions are not well-tolerated.
>
> I hope they will be happy with their new group......and with the
>homogeneity of their thoughts.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Nancy Ingle
As a matter of fact, we are very happy to see professionals like Daniela and
Armando, Sergio Cortazo and Gachi Fernandez, poets and composers like Acho
Manzi, dancers, teachers and organizers from Florida to Montreal and every
point in between, joining to support the idea of an Argentine Tango Open
Forum, where the only moderation and censorship is exercised by the
individuals willing to participate.
>I think some of the nastiness we are reading today was promoted by some
>members of that new group to effectively kill this group.
This is totally incorrect Nancy. You have been nasty since day one. Up until
now there was no choice but the Delete key and a sick bag by the computer.
The best service you have done to the subscribers of this Tango list, is to
encourage a massive registration drive to the ATOF on the day you penned
your poison. Thank you.
Everyone will have the opportunity to verify for themselves the inaccuracy
of your statements above, and to make a mental note about the inadequacies
of your social manners.
We're looking forward to have you join the ATOF. It will be quite a
challenge to be able to swing without a net. Look in your dusty closet for
the integrity, responsibility and accountability that are required to
participate.
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:10:58 GMT
>From: Ed Loomis <edl @WCO.COM>
>Subject: (fwd) Re: About Tangringo
>
>
>Nancy's post, although no doubt sincere, is sadly lacking in facts.
>Both TangoMan and Tangringo are not being heard on the Tango-L because
>they have been suspended by the "Tango Authorities" over some petty
>rule or another. Since the Great OZ will not deign to answer their
>private email to him it is not entirely clear why either of them were
>suspended or what the term of suspension will be.
A clarification of terminology would help put things into perspective. My
postings are being routed to the "Moderator" to insure that they abide by
the rules. Once that the Labor Day Tango Getaway date passes, you'll be
allowed to know about special discount airfares, room rates and a number of
tuition we were hoping to make available.
According to the rules written by Shahruck, the Labor Day Tango Getaway
we're organizing does not qualify as an event of national and international
interest. Besides, according to his private e-mail, Daniela, Armando,
Fernanda, Guillermo, Valorie and I, don't qualify as "major" figures (he
refused to define what "major" figures are)
Several people have benefited with airfares and room rates because of
repeated postings about the Labor Day Tango Getaway. People from as far as
New York, Washington, DC and Florida. This is the kind of information that
the rules of Shahruk suppress and keep from reaching people's e-mail boxes.
The consequence of my unwillingness or inability to abide by the rules of
this Tango-L (as Sourpuss from Brevard County wrote above) has been that my
postings have been directed to the "Moderator" for review of compliance with
the rules.
The problem seems to be that Shahruk is unavailable, so the processing of
the postings that need to be moderated has come to a stand still. While
waiting, a few people sharing the same dubious honor got to think about why
we joined the Tango-L. It was there, it was easy to do (any moron with a
computer and modem can do it) and somehow it made it possible to create a
camaraderie and a friendship network that became a reality as some of us
have the fortune to travel to other cities where a tango community existed.
In the process, it gave some of us a sense a membership to a global tango
community like Cherie wrote yesterday.
Perhaps the main reason for the debacle of this list was the orchestrated
hypocrisy of treating individuals who took risks and used their personal
resources to promote tango, as a some sort of a disease. The term commercial
was cleverly inserted in the rules and in the mind of many ungrateful
characters who hold up their noses at the idea of somebody actually putting
their money where their mouth is. I know personally every single one
"commercial" promoter in the US, and every single one has to deal with
overdraft bank accounts, unreasonable landlords, and overdue bills to pay,
all that for the love of tango. And to make a better playing filed for the
rest of us. And to have the opportunity to meet and learn from a wide
variety of teachers and performers. And to provide many Argentine and
European teachers the chance to try their luck in the US.
The puritan alternative has been the "non-profit" societies and
organizations, where a few cleverly play tango kings and queens with other
people's money. Yours.
Let them show their IRS returns and the write-offs they can take on their
personal income for the activities they "volunteer" for the non-profit
organizations. Let them show the salaries, reimbursements and paid expenses
that the non-profit organizations bylaws allow its board members and
officers. Ask in the communities about people who have been boycotted,
muscled and harassed because they decided to exercise the freedom to
associate with anybody and to organize some activities outside the choke
hold of the local Tango Society.
You'll be lucky to hear about these things, because the rules prohibit
discussion of "negative" matters, they prohibit the discussion of the rules,
they prohibit the discussion of personal matters.
On the other hand, the lack of accountability and the fomented hypocrisy
give carte blanche to certified morons and dickheads to freely and publicly
diss hard working professionals, like Daniela Arcuri or Susana Miller or
Gustavo Naveira, knowing well that these and others like them will never
return their commentaries in kindness and describe their shitty posture,
plugged ears and ridiculous poses.
Another "benefit" of this list has been the use of anonymity to harass with
racist and libelous messages many subscribers of the list.
When dear friends become mortified by not knowing how to deal with a
swastika drawn on the forehead of the picture I use on El Firulete's Home
page, I said it is time to move on.
For me, the legacy of the tango list, that started as a generous effort to
bring the tango communities together, will now be one of fomenting racism,
hate, and the disrespect for the Argentine Tango dancers and practitioners
through the implementation of rules that squash the free flow of
information, underestimate the power of choice of individuals, and encourage
political divisiveness by selectively attempting to legislate behavior and
pass judgment to manipulate public opinion.
When Nancy writes, "I think some of the nastiness we are reading today was
promoted by some members of that new group to effectively kill this group,"
she fails to understand that a group is made out of people, and some of them
people have gone across the street because they are playing better music,
the floor is not sticky, there are people dancing tango, the hosts have
manners and welcome everybody, and it is all about tango, and what a great
tango party it is.
Life is too short to waste pellets in 'chimangos'
>Alberto and Walter among others have started a new list which is open
>to anyone and is unmoderated. The only condition is that we must post
>under our own name and not use pseudonyms, which will mean taking
>personal responsibility for our posts. Anyone who wishes may visit the
>Argentine Tango Forum at http://www.egroups.com/group/argentine-tango/
>and check this out for themselves. It's no secret. Ciao.............
Thank you Ed, thank you Dario.
Alberto Paz
Join other responsible members of the Argentine tango community
at the new Argentine Tango Open Forum at,
http://www.egroups.com/group/argentine-tango/
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:20:06 -0700
From: Jorge Gonzalez-Becerra <jlgb22 @PACBELL.NET>
Subject: TANGO REVIEW
Hi,
In reference to the information requested by me about the upcoming event
in September TANGO REVIEW in Miami, I failed to receive your response my
PC system crashed. Would you be so kind to send it to me again?
Regards,
JLGB
jlgb22 @pacbell.net
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:10:51 +1200
From: faera <faera @XTRA.CO.NZ>
Subject: Tango News from Down Under [longish]
Dear International Tango Friends --
a bit of news from Down Under --
Here in Wellington New Zealand
We were very fortunate to have a visit from Dominique and
her son Sebastian - visitors from Belgium and tourists in NZ.
Dominique was a connection from Tango-L and Eddy Rodts
Tango-L list member........... thanks Eddy.....
We were also expecting a visit from Conrad Sernia in Australia
- but I believe his visit dates to NZ have come and gone without
a chance to dance Tango in Wellington.........
Those of you who attended CITA in March this year will also
know local Wellington dancer Alex White - a tall blond young
man - who now wears his Cosmotango t-shirt everywhere - and
is a much finer dancer for the three months he recently spent in
Argentina -- Dominique danced with Alex here in Brooklyn -- and
said with a misty glow that she had danced here as she had danced
in Buenos Aires -- it seemed rather unforgettable for her.
This last weekend we had a locally produced Tango stage show
called TANGOMANIA - featuring Alex White and Graciela Heredia
as principal dancers - Graciela also offered workshops during her
visit here - she is based in Auckland at present.
Wellington is a wonderful city for the Tango Dancer --
My own Tango Project is now focussing on marketing to attract
more people to the dances -- Wellington currently sees about 100
people in lessons each week -- with lessons almost every night
of the week - I a run weekly practise sessions on Thursday -
followed by a candlelight milonga fortnightly -- and , I hold a
Candlelight Milonga 8-midnight the First Saturday where I am
the DJ -- next month I add live music to the programme -
Currently my venue is the local school hall -- which is spacious,
warm and has a very sweet dance floor. However in September, I
am expanding to offer a Sunday afternoon dance [2-5pm 12 Sept] in a city
pub called Hotel Bristol - we will be able to use the ground level bar -
which means that if we carry on into finer weather [our winter now]
we can extend outdoors and include 'street dancing' on the Cuba Mall
footpath.
Across all the events in Wellington, it is usually possible to dance
Tango for either a Saturday evening or a Sunday afternoon each
weekend. The September Tango calendar also features a Tango Ball -
with 'ELEGANCE' the theme for the evening -- we expect about 60
people to attend with Tango friends travelling here from Auckland,
Nelson, Christchurch and Dunedin.
The Tango Calendar - is a month at a glance of Tango events -- this
takes a lot of time to produce well -- and I have very high standards
for layout and design -- once it is designed in colour and the events
information is formatted - I have spent 10 hours - I print it in B&W as a
three fold brochure - with a print run of about 400 which I put about in
local cafes, libraries and bookstores. To cover the costs of production
and some of my time, I ask teachers and Events organisers to pay to be
included at $5 per event or $10 per lesson block - those that don't wish
to be included produce their own publicity - but every one is on tight
budgets and few are willing to spend very much - that's a bit of a grind -
but all part of the job I guess -
In terms of other marketing - I got a piece in the local community paper -
The article did mention Tango-L - 'an international Tango e-mail list that
allows dancers to get in touch with one another' and thereby to make a
reference to our local phenomenon Wellington Tango's 'most improved
man' Neville Waisbrod - who began dancing Tango about 6 months ago
and already through this list has arranged Tango dancing in Cologne,
Johannesburg, Chicago, New York, Sydney, Auckland and Melbourne.
His 'city credits' are as long as your arm. He is very nice to dance with --
a very lovely single father in his early 50's. For me - he is living the dream -
Tango jet set life - though it's all as he travels for work and he is away far
too much for the preference of the ladies here in Wellington.
Here's the message I sent to my Tango e-mail contacts list - about 70 local
people interested in Tango --
Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 2:30 PM
Subject: TNT Tango in the Cook Strait News this week
> Be sure to see p.15 this week--in the Cook Strait News
> dated 23 August 1999.
> it begins..............
> 'BROOKLYN HUB OF TANGO'
> Go to St Bernard's School Hall in Brooklyn on Thursday nights
> and you could be forgiven for thinking you've just stepped
> into Buenos Aires
>
> weeeeeeeeee! Don't miss it:
> Despite the fact that most of the things I am
> quoted as saying - I did not say in exactly those
> words -- and there were two major errors among
> a few minor ones...........it's a very exciting article
> with a colour photo of Ron & AJ dancing [that I
> took a couple of years ago] -- Apologies to Ron -
> they mispelt your name --
>
> But then they said that Tango Nui a Tara means
> 'The Big Harbour of Tara' - I mean really.............
> Tango Nui a Tara is `the big TANGO of Tara'
> Te Whanga Nui a Tara is 'The Big Harbour of Tara'
>
> AND I did not say:
> 'The hall is the hub of Tango dancing in Wellington'
> as the journalist said I did. But she may be forgiven
> as it is where most of the regular dance events take
> place ---and I suppose it does make nice copy.
>
> She also mistakenly reports that the next candlelight dance
> is at the Hall in .............Moncrief St. Mt Vic........so then
> why is the article about Brooklyn you might ask .........But
> again she may be forgiven because she saw all the Tango
> calendar dates for Alex's Tango_Firulette........
>
> They will run a correction next week....
> The 1st Sat. Candlelight Dance [4 Sept] is at 40 Taft Street Brooklyn -
> St Bernard's School Hall featuring -- Elena & Latin Live -- This trio
> features Elena [Mohawk] on the violin - Steffen Gorres on guitar &
> Tim Whitta on percussion -- they will begin at 9:15pm with a set of
> very danceable TANGO and other Latin dance rhythms...............
>
> The most exciting news is that although the article does not
> include a phone number --- I have already had a phone call
> from an enterprising and keen woman who has been wanting
> to learn -- and is keen to learn in Brooklyn----------
>
Thanks for taking the time to read this far -- I thought perhaps
there would be people keen to hear about Tango at the ends of'
the earth -- hearing about Tango elsewhere gives me points of
reference for visions and future planning -- I am still pitching
for 600 Tango couples on a single dance floor -- now that's a dream
for the 21st century....................
un abrazo
Nancy
Nancy Nichols-Acevedo
faera @xtra.co.nz
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:41:47 -0400
From: Eugenia Spitkovsky <euginas @EROLS.COM>
Subject: [Fwd: sexual release?]
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:31:17 -0400
From: Eugenia Spitkovsky <euginas @erols.com>
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Although XXX website address does not belong in tango-l, I wonder if it
got through here because sexual release does help infinitely angry and
hateful. Is there a hidden message here? Either dance tango, or...visit
the website?
Speaking of cats...what was that last discussion? Walk like a cat? Toe
first or hill first? Smooth movement or rapid turns? Style of close
embrace, or open frame with the kicks? Are we implementing the
discussion? Perhaps in a sick, inapropriate way we do. Please, let's
stop. Otherwise the rest of us will unsubscribe.
I never liked watching wrestling or boxing, they do not go well with
tango music. We enjoyed this subscription until a couple of angry and
hateful members began their unlimited contributions. Just do not
respond. Maybe they'll find another venue for the much needed release.
Wish everyone a fabulous tango weekend,
Eugenia
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:53:35 EDT
From: Gulden Ozen <ozeng @NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: Re: [Metin Yazir]
Hi Melinda!
Metin is in Turkey and he was in Izmir last weekend. As far as I know, he=
is
trying to organize some activity to help the victims of earthquake..
Best wishes,
Gulden
Melinda Bates <tangerauna @EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> Hello list,
> =
> Does anyone know the whereabouts of our beloved teacher Metin Yazir? I=
'm
so
> concerned that he might have been at home in Turkey last week..... plea=
se
> let us know where he is (Munich maybe?). Thanks!
> =
> Melinda
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:37:12 -0700
From: "Partridge, Rebecca" <Rebecca.Partridge @UCSFSTANFORD.ORG>
Subject: Fire damages Tango venue in San Jose California
Due to a fire that occurred at the Germania Restaurant and Bar on Aug 19,
1999, (in San Jose, California) the Argentine Tango classes taught there on
Wednesday evenings (by Keith) have been postponed until an interim location
can be found.
Suggestions about alternative locations in Santa Clara county ("silicon
valley") with a suitable dance floor, would be appreciated.
Germania has a large dance hall, a cozy restaurant and bar, and
tango-friendly management. We hope that the hole in roof (above the dance
floor) will be repaired quickly so we can resume dancing there very soon.
Rebecca
rebecca.partridge @ucsfstanford.org
or
crinigan @pacbell.net
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:50:43 -0400
From: Shahrukh Merchant <merchant @ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Whereabouts of Leandro Palou and Andrea Misse
Hi, I'm trying to locate Leandro Palou and Andrea Misse. Does someone
know their current whereabouts and, in particular, a telephone number
where I can contact them?
Thanks in advance,
Shahrukh
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:59:27 -0400
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: EL COMPADRITO toe first tango walk.
Many have asked questions about EL COMPADRITO AND HIS WALK.
El compadrito was described by Sarmiento ( Argentinean president and
writer 1811-1888 )as the equivalent of the Spanish MAJO ( dweller of poor
neighborhoods in Southern Spain's ANDALUSIA ); " All the motions of the
compadrito reveal the majo; the way he walks, the way he moves his
shoulders, his gestures, the way wears he wears the hat, even the manner he
spits between his teeth " - " all that is Andalusian ).
Other writers gave his picture in more detail ( 1898 ), " he spends his
nights in bars drinking enormous amounts of alcohol. He carries a hidden
knife, it is frequent when he ends his outings with fights, cuts in his face
or terrible wounds in his abdomen. Proud, arrogant, he is prone to be
offended by a gesture or a stare."
He brings cattle to the markets situated in the outskirts of Buenos Aires or
to the port. He dwells around those areas,
the border of the city ( orilla - arrabal ); for that reason they were
called by the contemptuous name of ORILLERO or ARRABALERO ). This characters
responsible to some degree for defining the Argentine Tango in its very
beginnings; as he imitated the dances of the blacks ( candombes )to
entertain himself, his friends and eventually to have a woman in his arms.
Those that have seen Argentinean movies, shows or theater depicting that
particular space, period and human element, immediately recognize that the
tango walk is very similar to the compadrito walk. It would be the same if
the particular walk style of some blacks in the large cities of the USA had
influenced the dances originated there such as Fox-trot, Swing or Rock and
Roll.
Tradition and history are very important, they form the distinctive
characteristics of different societies and their popular cultures.
Have very good tangos; try to master toe first lead.
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:30:42 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Tango(?) Magic
Hola Listeros,
The much proclaimed Tango Magic presentation was broadcast on PBS last
night. I found it only by accident, not being that much of a TV watcher that
I plan ahead by reading the program listings. When I saw that it was on, I
was annoyed with myself that I hadn't set ut for taping it. As it turned
out, it was no great loss.
The program was a disappointment to me. Of course the dancing was beautiful,
but most of it, except for that of Diego Difalco and Carolina Zokalsky was
more ballet than tango. It was beautiful dancing, but it wasn't really
tango, even show tango. Looking at it through the eyes of someone unfamiliar
with tango, I saw grace and elegance and emotion, but none of the feeling of
unity between the music and the dance that is the essence of tango.
The other disappointment in the show was the music. Even Diego and Carolina
were at a disadvantage dancing to that jazz music pretending to be tango
music. The show would have been more appropriately titled Paean to
Piazzolla. The emcee mentioned in passing that the music of Piazzolla was
controversial, and not univerally accepted by tango traditionalists. Fine.
But in a show that purports to present a "history of tango," he should't be
portrayed as representative of tango to the exclusion of the real masters of
tango music, Pugliese, DiSarli, D'Arienzo,.... and on, and on.
If you buy the video, get it because you like ballet and jazz, not for the
tango.
Tangringo
____________________
Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane
Harriman, NY
_______________________
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or call 914-783-6002 about
Tango Workshop in Poughkeepsie, NY
sponsored by Hudson Valley Tango
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:08:08 -0400
From: Alan McPherron <mcph+ @PITT.EDU>
Subject: Tango Magic
Tango Magic is not going to be aired in the Pittsburgh area, to the utter
disgust and dismay of the Pittsburgh Tangueros. Would some kind soul
videotape it for us? We'd be more than happy to pay any costs involved.
Alan McPherron
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:59:40 -0400
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: EL CACHAFAZ
Charles Roques asked for confirmation of El Cachafaz date of death.
OVIDIO JOSE BIANQUET, ALSO KNOWN AS EL CACHAFAZ, was born in Buenos Aires on
February 14th.1885. El Cacha, called this way for short, died February
7th.1942, during an intermission between tango and tango, while he was
acting with Carmencita Calderon,, in the Club El Rancho Grande, in Mar del
Plata. He was considered to be the best tango dancer.
We had the chance to see Carmencita Calderon ( 97 years old ) dancing in
Buenos Aires at the Club Espanol, last March.
Hope that this is of help.
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:56:20 -0700
From: diane m tober <DTOBER @PRODIGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Tango in Madrid
I just got back from a month in Madrid. I wanted to thank everyone I met at
La Carreta, Sala Cha-3, Tropical House, and any other venue in which I may
have danced Tango but cannot recall at the moment. I had a wonderful time
meeting everyone and dancing with many wonderful dancers.
Muchas Gracias,
Diane (from California)
Recien llego de mi mes en Madrid. Me gustaria agradecer toda la gente que
conoci en La Carreta, Sala Cha-3, Tropical House, y otros lugares que baile.
Gracias a todos esos bailarines que contribulleron a una vacacion
memorable. Tuve muchos bailes lindos y apacionados.
besos de California,
Diana Tober
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:19:53 -0700
From: Jean Walsh <tangochic @HOTBOT.COM>
Subject: Size of the side step in a grapevine
Hello, List:
Can someone suggest to me what should be the proper size of the side step in a g
rapevine: the width of the shoulders, bigger, or smaller?
I recently danced with a man who suggested that I make my side step smaller than
the width of my shoulders. It felt kind of strange and uncomfortable, because I
wasn't getting in front of him after the turn.
The fellow could not give me a good explanation as to why I should make my side
steps smaller, except that he had learned it in some workshop.
Muchas gracias,
Jean.
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:07:45 -0600
From: tangostud <tangostud @MOST-WANTED.COM>
Subject: Re: Toes and Leaning
Charles Roques <Crrtango @AOL.COM> wrote:
"Regarding Daniela being difficult to move, my experience dancing with
Milena Plebs, Carolina Zokalski (Diego and Carolina) or Florencia Taccetti,
all Argentine and professional dancers is that they are more difficult to
lead
simply because they expect very precise indications before they go
anywhere."
I totally disagree with you, Charles.
First of all, the best Argentine professional dancers, such as Milena,
Guillermina, Lorena, Vanina - are the easiest ones to lead. They have been
trained by the best tango teachers of Buenos Aires - all different styles.
Thus they are able to adjust to any man's lead easily and make him look
good no matter who he is. On the other hand, Daniela is stuck in one
particular style, and is unable to adjust
to different partners. She and Armando make a nice couple and are
experienced stage performers, but what they teach is open for debate.
Second of all, please do not place Florencia in the same high category as
Milena. Florencia (just like Suzana Miller) can barely move on the dance
floor. But this subject is for another time.
Best,
A.T.
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:15:23 -0700
From: kevin cathey <quillroy @YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: light like a feather
Joe Camper wrote:
"..., that you wonder why any man want to dance with a
woman who leans on her partner the way she does."
Why? Pleasure!
With many women, joe may have a point. It is truly
demanding to lead a partner who improvises her own
steps, reguardless of my lead. Heavy is a woman who
has no balance and is letharginc in her movements.
This is not Ms. Arcuri.
When she chooses to accept an invitiation to dance, I
am inspired to take up the resposibility of leading
her and protecting her on a crowded dance floor. I am
happy to be entrusted with that privelege.
With Ms. Arcuri in my arms, leaning as she does, I can
relax and enjoy the music and the dance. She brings
her precise and graceful talent to every tango she
dances. I contribute my humble lead and the few steps
and figures I know, while she contributes her
intensity, her balance, her technique and even her
awareness of my balance and position in the line of
dance. The result is an effortless and delightful
state of tango bliss.
She has never been heavy.
Kevin Cathey
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:28:17 -0400
From: Nancy Hirschhorn <nhirschhorn @STARPOWER.NET>
Subject: Tango in Costa Rica?
Hi list members,
I'll be in San Jose, Costa Rica August 25-29 and would love to be able to
find a local milonga, if one exists. I've searched the internet and haven't
found anything in Costa Rica.
Does anyone know about tango opportunities there?
Thanks for your help,
Nancy Hirschhorn
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:20:46 +0200
From: Kim Visser <kimv @DOLFIJN.NL>
Subject: some of last weeks topics
Dear list,
there are a few things I read this week that really amazed me! I would
like to react upon
them.
> I have noticed that most people that want to >do their own thing are
usually not very good
>dancers.
What do you mean by 'good dancers'? That is something that can be inter
preted in different
ways.
I believe that someone who is able to express his/her innerfeelings in
the dance is a good
dancer. I also believe that sometimes it is
not possible to express yourself with the
traditional tango tools (steps/body-position).
I think if you then limit yourself to those
familiar tools, you are not doing a 'good'
job. Tango has only survived for so many
years, because people have tried different
things and kept the dance alive.
>We need our heels for our balance! To permit
>women to be elegant all the time, we use high
>heels, so that we more easily reaches the
>floor.
??? I have never heard this before.
I never dance with my heels touching the
floor. It would interupt my movement to do so
and feels unnatural to me.
I dance a lot wearing flat shoes and standing
on my toes. Just like in 'real life' I like to
stand in my own balance.
>One should not really expect to take one or >two tango lessons and the
n jump onto a
>crowded floor. Many of the great dancers and
>teachers speak about growing up in Buenos
>Aires and attending milongas for as
>long as a year or more and just watching!
Many people seem to forget this is the 90's
and we are not in Buenos Aires! People live
faster now and like to see immediate results.
If they have to wait for a year until
others think they are good enough, there will
not be very many people left at the Milonga's,
and you will have noone to dance with...
>It is also fine to practice the lead and
>follow with another woman, although I don't
>think that any woman can lead as well as a man
>(who knows how to lead).
What a nonsense! There are such wonderful
womenleaders! I have danced with women who
danced incredibly good. I have never danced
with a man like that.
What is this? Shortsightedness? Homophobia?
Or maybe it is just a lack of experience?
Whatever it is: do something about it, for you
might miss one of your greatest tangomoments
this way!
Kim
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:59:02 -0400
From: Kathleen Seymour <knsandjts @HOME.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango Magic
Alan McPherron wrote:
>
> Tango Magic is not going to be aired in the Pittsburgh area, to the utter
> disgust and dismay of the Pittsburgh Tangueros. Would some kind soul
> videotape it for us? We'd be more than happy to pay any costs involved.
> Alan McPherron
"Tango Magic" was just released on video and I found it on
www.amazon.com for $12.99 + shipping and handling. For whatever reason,
PBS in Detroit didn't see fit to air it either.
-Kathy
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