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There are 8 messages totalling 287 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Tango CD ordering on the Internet
2. Tango through the Middle Ages (was: Re: Embrace) (3)
3. Tango CDs
4. urgent - unsuscription Tango-L Lidia Ferrari
5. Tango Thru the Middle ages
6. Tango Weekend Update
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:34:19 +0200
From: Garrit Fleischmann <fleischm @STUD.UNI-FRANKFURT.DE>
Subject: Tango CD ordering on the Internet
Hi Listeros,
one of the best resources for Tango CDs in Europe is
Danza Y Movimiento in Hamburg - that's where I am
normaly ordering my CDs. They have a Tango-catalogue
with more than 600 titles, and they will order CDs for
you which are not in the catalogue.
http://www.danzaymovimiento.com
They don't have special low price offers but they
offer a good service....
Cheers,
Garrit
(I have no personal financial interest connected with this posting)
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email: fleischm @uni-frankfurt.de oder tango @garrit.kpnet.de
Tango: http://www.cyber-tango.com/
Witze: http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/~garrit/jokes.html
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:19:11 +0200
From: Colin Brace <cb @LIM.NL>
Subject: Tango through the Middle Ages (was: Re: Embrace)
On 08/07/99 at 07:29 AM, AlbertoPaz <tangoman @HOOKED.NET> wrote:
> For example, in a taped interviewed with master Mingo Pugliese in
> 1997 and later published in El Firulete, Mingo addresses the subject
> you seem to think "everybody knows, believe or not."
> [Quote]
<snip>
> What happened is that because of the continuous stage
> of siege and martial law that the country was in, there was a
> prohibition for people to meet or gather in groups. To give a party or
> to celebrate a wedding you had to have a (police) permit so eventually
> people stop dancing everything, Tango, rock and roll, boogie-boogie,
> tarantella, etc. But, never, never, ever any military government
> issued a decree to prohibit the Tango.
It seems to me that tango music lost a lot of its expressive force in
the 1950s, and I've wondered whether this was an organic development or
(what I suspect but can't be sure of) whether it was due to the fact
that tango musicians became disconnected from the dancers and started
playing less danceable music. My feeling is that part of what makes the
very best tango music (Calo' and early Troilo come to mind) so wonderful
is that it was a magical combination of great musicians working with
superb material under the constraint of playing live dance music. The
latter turned out to be a virtue, since the pulse at the heart of great
tango seems to be a very primal, instinctive one for we mortals; not
only the rythym of dance but also that, for example, of chewing and
making love. My hypothesis: when tango musicians stopped playing live,
tango suffered, and as evidence of this I refer to the recordings of
Troilo and Pugliese from the 1960s; the performance style became
mannered and flabby.
Whatever the reason for tango's evolution, most modern tango music and
most modern tango performance leaves me cold, including Piazzolla,
although certain vocal tango music recorded since the 50s, such as some
of the recordings of Goyeneche, has a certain charm.
Anyone care to comment on how and why tango evolved as it did?
--
Colin Brace <cb @lim.nl>
Amsterdam
http://www.lim.nl
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:14:56 -0400
From: Kathleen Seymour <knsandjts @HOME.COM>
Subject: Tango CDs
HOT FLASH!!!!!!!!!!
I just received the following message from Zivals in B.A.:
>Dear Tango friend,
>
>The Tango is keeping us waiting, but it's coming, it';s coming...
>
>Bear with us just a few days more, please, a little more patience: we're
>working out the last details on our secure server and taking care of the
>fine tuning on our extensive data base.
>
>As soon as zivals.com is available, we'll let you know!
>
>A cordial greeting from zivals.com
Incidentally, I got on their update mailing list by visiting their site
at www.zivals.com. All you have to do is leave your email address, and
they'll send you a progress report on their new web site.
Just thought you would be interested,
Kathy
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:09:25 +0200
From: Jean-Pierre Jacquet <jpjfilms @CYBERCABLE.FR>
Subject: Re: Tango through the Middle Ages (was: Re: Embrace)
The political undercurrents affecting the tango music and its proponents
through the years are a well-established and cannot be brushed aside.
The years spent in jail or assigned residence by a man like Oswaldo
Pugliese are a testament to that fact, and why shouldn't his music be
affected by it?
Having such a nostalgic approach to the appreciation of tango music
seems to me rather sterile. Longing for the good old days is like going
through life with blinders, or, in our case, ear plugs. Even if the
style of Piazzola leaves you cold, one has to acknowledge that this man
is, "tous genres confondus", one of a handful of this century's
melodists: having written "Nonino" is enough for this man's music to be
immortal and allow him to enter the pantheon of the great melodists
alongside with Cole Porter, Gershwin, Charles Aznavour or Tom Jobim.
More specifically, let's not forget that tango is the descendant of
folkloric music and beats. It has been my observation in milongas,
concerts and shows, that when the first few bars of "La Yumba"
(Pugliese), a collective shiver goes through the audience, hearts beat
faster and feet start stomping. Likewise with "Libertango" (Piazzola),
for my money, the modern anthem to the tango: a couple of bars and one
is totally transfixed or transported.
So let's rejoice with the Mosalini, Carrasco, Ziegler, Yo Yo Ma, Sexteto
Major, and all the others who understand and continue the legacy of
tango music, which is a whole made of multiple parts with plenty in
common.
Happy listening.
Jean-Pierre Jacquet
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:20:39 -0400
From: Fernandez Eduardo <efernandez @IUCNUS.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tango through the Middle Ages (was: Re: Embrace)
Jean Pierre, what a "Cambalache" you created. Your are mixing the Bible with
the Hot-water heater...
Yo-Yo Ma with Pugliese? Give me a break!!!
Zigler with Libertella y El Sexteto? No way...
Sorry. You need to listen more carefully...it's not the same thing...
Eduardo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Pierre Jacquet [SMTP:jpjfilms @CYBERCABLE.FR]
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:09 PM
> To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Tango through the Middle Ages (was: Re: Embrace)
>
> The political undercurrents affecting the tango music and its proponents
> through the years are a well-established and cannot be brushed aside.
> The years spent in jail or assigned residence by a man like Oswaldo
> Pugliese are a testament to that fact, and why shouldn't his music be
> affected by it?
> Having such a nostalgic approach to the appreciation of tango music
> seems to me rather sterile. Longing for the good old days is like going
> through life with blinders, or, in our case, ear plugs. Even if the
> style of Piazzola leaves you cold, one has to acknowledge that this man
> is, "tous genres confondus", one of a handful of this century's
> melodists: having written "Nonino" is enough for this man's music to be
> immortal and allow him to enter the pantheon of the great melodists
> alongside with Cole Porter, Gershwin, Charles Aznavour or Tom Jobim.
> More specifically, let's not forget that tango is the descendant of
> folkloric music and beats. It has been my observation in milongas,
> concerts and shows, that when the first few bars of "La Yumba"
> (Pugliese), a collective shiver goes through the audience, hearts beat
> faster and feet start stomping. Likewise with "Libertango" (Piazzola),
> for my money, the modern anthem to the tango: a couple of bars and one
> is totally transfixed or transported.
> So let's rejoice with the Mosalini, Carrasco, Ziegler, Yo Yo Ma, Sexteto
> Major, and all the others who understand and continue the legacy of
> tango music, which is a whole made of multiple parts with plenty in
> common.
> Happy listening.
> Jean-Pierre Jacquet
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:31:40 -0300
From: Lidia Ferrari <lferrari @FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
Subject: urgent - unsuscription Tango-L Lidia Ferrari
Hello tangueros.
I can make the unsuscription temporarily of tango-L.
Any body can said me how make this unsuscription temporal.
Thank you.
Lidia Ferrari desde Buenos Aires
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:03:49 +0200
From: Jean-Pierre Jacquet <jpjfilms @CYBERCABLE.FR>
Subject: Tango Thru the Middle ages
Dear Fernando,
Putting Yo Yo Ma and Pugliese in the same basket was obviously a
rhetorical shortcut to make my point. The former will never be a tango
musician in his own right, yet by the shear emotional power and gusto of
his playing, he brings a lot to the wedding basket of the bride (as in
classical musicians "pairing" with tango musicians); a lot more than
other renowned musicians (read Daniel Barenboim), whose kinship with
tango is merely an Argentine passport.
In short, it's OK to appreciate Louis Armstrong and Charlie Parker or
John Coltrane, and it's not blasphemous to enjoy Canaro and Piazzola or
Telleria.
Bye now (pay later)!
Jean-Pierre Jacquet
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:14:02 EDT
From: Victor Crichton <victor_vsc @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Tango Weekend Update
If anyone is waiting till the 9th hour to make reservations for the Reno
Labor Day Tango Getaway, here is some good news that I just received. This
will also be good news for anyone like myself that missed the original hotel
group rate deadline.
********
We have just picked up a message from the Reno Hilton in which they
have agreed to extend the group rate of $69 single/double occy. to
participants of the Tango Getaway.
The special rate will be in effect on a first come first served basis
until the hotel booking capacity reaches a certain percentage (I
believe they said 85%, they are now at 70% capacity)
********
I attended this event last year and I must say that it was FIRST CLASS from
start to finish. The teachers, the hotel, the meals, and the milongas all
add up to a great mini-vacation. If you don't have Tango plans set yet for
Labor Day Weekend you can't go wrong with this one.
I have no financial interest in this event, just helping to spread good
news.
Victor Crichton
Tampa Bay, Florida
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