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There are 8 messages totalling 306 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. LIVE Double Milonga Weekend in Colorado
2. More Tango CDs on the Internet (2)
3. DON'T LEAVE YOUR E-MAIL OPEN
4. Question: ? Reason for E-mail solicitations ? - No dance content. (3)
5. New movie
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:51:18 -0600
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz @CSN.NET>
Subject: LIVE Double Milonga Weekend in Colorado
LIVE Double Milonga Weekend with Tango Quintet at Mercury Cafe
Extasis with Dan Diaz, plays for dancing at the Mercury Cafe Friday
and Saturday of Labor Day weekend in Denver Colorado. The quintet is
formed from Extasis and a special guest musician from Utah, Dan Diaz.
Instrumentation is Piano, Violin, Bass and 2 Bandoneons.
Extasis with Dan Diaz played for the Grand Finale Milonga at the
recent the Colorado Tango Week. The music ranged from traditional
dance music (tangos, milongas and waltzes) to the powerful
compositions of Piazzola and other modern arrangements. The passion
and energy of the live music transformed the dancers who amplified it
and fed it back to the orchestra.
Double milonga weekends, many with Extasis and Dan Diaz will continue
approximately monthly. Advance notice will be maintained at the Tango
Colorado website: http://www.tango.org/dance .
Extasis is a Colorado tango quartet that has been playing tango
dances and concerts for the past year and a half.
Dan Diaz is an Argentine bandoneon player living in Utah. He has
performed as the Vernieri-Diaz Duo: http://www.intellinks.com/tango/
The Mercury Cafe is a Cafe/Restaurant/Poetry Salon run by Marilyn
McGenity Just North of Downtown Denver. In appearance and ambiance
the Mercury is very reminiscent of the Parakultural in Buenos Aires.
The Friday night Milongas have become the hottest night of the week
for Tango in Colorado, drawing dancers from Ft Collins, Boulder and
Colorado Springs, not to mention visitors from other tango
communities in the US and abroad. http://www.mercurycafe.com
For spontaneous travelers, note that many airlines offer deep
discount weekend flights (leave Friday or Saturday, return Sunday or
Monday). These are often announced on Wednesday the week of travel.
These will probably be less available on Labor Day weekend, but check
the websites for United and Frontier since they maintain big hubs in
Denver.
There is even a Youth Hostel one block from the Mercury with $15
lodging. http://www.tango.org/dance/DenverLodging.html
Tom Stermitz
2612 Clermont St
Denver, CO 80207
Chautauqua Publishing / Ragtime Interiors
"On-Line Arts & Crafts Movement Resource Directory."
(303) 388 - 2560
stermitz @ragtime.org
http://www.ragtime.org/ragtime/
http://www.tango.org/dance/
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:10:25 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: More Tango CDs on the Internet
Yesterday I forgot to mention Bob Dronski at Tango Nada Mas. He has a
catalog of about 85 tango CDs. His website is
<http://www.tangonadamas.com>.
The ones I mentioned yesterday were:
Mark Celaya has a catalog of tango CDs with about 150 titles. To
order you may phone him at (800) 600-8644. For a list of titles you
may visit his website: <http://home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango>.
Daniel Trenner's Bridge to the Tango sells a growing list of tango
recordings and is usually quick to fill orders. You can request a
catalog directly by phone: (888) 382-6469, or visit the website at
<http://www.tangobridge.com/dtango7>.
Carlos Groppa has an extensive list. His webpage is:
<http://www.tangoreporter.com>.
I have also looked at several websites in Argentina, the Netherlands
and Germany that seemed to offer extensive lists of tango music. I
have no experience with any of these.
Volver (Argentina) the URL is <http://www.volver.com/>
Mundial (Netherlands) the URL is <http://www.mundial.nl/>.
Canzone (Germany) the URL is <http://www.canzone.de/>
Danza y Movimiento (Germany) the URL is
<http://www.danzaymovimiento.com/>
Garritt Fleischmann <http://www.cyber-tango.com/> offers a fairly
comprehensive set of links for ordering CDs online at
<http://www.cyber-tango.com/e/#order>.
With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:44:48 -0400
From: Jeffrey Blustein <blustein @AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject: Re: More Tango CDs on the Internet
helloXX
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:49:21 -0400
From: Jeffrey Blustein <blustein @AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject: DON'T LEAVE YOUR E-MAIL OPEN
I GOOD TIME LOOKING AT YOUR E-MAIL BECAUSE YOU LEFT OPEN AT FORCHEINMER
BUILDING G-FLOOR
DON'T FORGET TO SHUT DOEN
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:24:05 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Question: ? Reason for E-mail solicitations ? - No dance content.
Perhaps someone on the list (like the List monitor?) can explain, publicly
is fine, what I am experiencing recently with my e-mail?
Several weeks ago, I started getting advertisements for tango workshops and
private lessons from a person who is a member of the Tango-L, who
(according to information I have received) acts as a host and
financial/scheduling intermediary for visiting tango teachers from Bs.As.
These messages were from that person's personal address to my e-mail
address, as well as to a multitude of other addresses in the header
(members of the Tango-L, I presume?).
I have never met this person, nor communicated electronically, so I
wondered how this person got my e-mail address, and why these unsolicited
advertisements were coming my way (I live 50 miles from the location
advertised).
After the messages continued for awhile, I responded to the address in the
header, and asked the person to remove me from her mailing list. I
immediately received a polite reply and apology, and haven't gotten any
more private e-mails from that person.
Then, yesterday, I received a new e-mail message from another individual.
This person (who I am 95% sure is also a member) is hawking a tango music
CD for "only $19.95", and the messages was long, and detailed, listing all
the songs, and making a big pitch for the singer. Detailed information for
buying the CD was presented.
I have never communicated with this person either, yet, he too has my
e-mail address. I responded, requesting to know how this person had
obtained my address, but have not yet received any answer. (At this point,
being mostly curious, but also slightly irritated, I will not mention the
names of the two parties concerned.)
So my questions should now be obvious:
1. How are these people getting my e-mail address? Could it be from the
Tango-L? (I have no alternative explanation or theory at this point.)
2. If it is from the Tango-L, then I am curious as to whether the List
management is supplying the addresses to individuals for their commercial
and marketing use, or, are the individuals themselves able to extract the
addresses themselves using some method or technology (which I would know
nothing about, being mostly computer illiterate).
3. If the answers to any of the above questions are "Yes", then I have one
or two more questions: Do people think that the Tango-L should be
supplying members' private e-mail addresses to promotors or retail sales
enterprises, to further their personal financial endeavors? And, do
members want their personal e-mail boxes to contain unsolicited
individual-to-individual solicitiations or sales pitches from unknown
members of the tango community?
(N.B: I have no problem at all - in fact, enjoy and support - advisories
on the general Tango-L for workshops, classes, tango weekends, and such,
wherever they are in the world, even when the person making the advisory
has financial interest in the event; I think there is potential benefit to
many people. But I wouldn't care for sales pitches for products or goods
like CDs, or clothes. And, as you can tell, I definitely wouldn't want the
Tango-L management to provide our personal e-mail addresses to persons
making pure financial/entrepreneurial efforts to sell merchandise.)
Could someone provide any enlightenment on this subject and these
questions? And, if the List manager has any comments, I would appreciate
hearing them, publically.
Thank you,
Steve Hoffman
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:43:30 -0700
From: Ruddy Zelaya <ruddy.zelaya @ENG.SUN.COM>
Subject: Re: Question: ? Reason for E-mail solicitations ? - No dance
content.
Steve,
perhaps I can elucidate. As you can see from your message's 'To:'
line below, your personal email address is being broadcasted to the list
(as is mine with this message). Any enterprising person can thus
collect the address of everybody who has ever sent a message to the
list. That's how he/she got your address and even which mail server
you are using.
Regards,
---
ruddy
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:24:05 -0800
>From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
>Subject: Question: ? Reason for E-mail solicitations ? - No dance content.
>X-Sender: usinet.acaraje @pop6.ibm.net
>To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>MIME-version: 1.0
>X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by out4.ibm.net
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:22:45 -0700
From: Ruddy Zelaya <ruddy.zelaya @ENG.SUN.COM>
Subject: Re: Question: ? Reason for E-mail solicitations ? - No dance
content.
faera @xtra.co.nz wrote:
>Actually the list of names is not available for the TANGO-L list -
>I tried to access it when I First joined to see who else was on the list --
>but it was only available to the list administrator --
>
>regards;
>
>Nancy
Nancy,
In my reply to Steve I meant to say the 'From:' line (found
in every email) but in my haste typing the message I wrote 'To:'
instead. While viewing the list membership has been off-limits
for a couple of years now, that wouldn't stop our enterprising
spammer. To wit, you can put together a list of addresses by
downloading the archives and extracting the From: line from
each message.
Anyway, that same 'From:' line is what the Listserv program
is keying off from to check whether to broadcast your message
or not. If you tried to mask/disguise that address then you
could not post to the list since the software would block it.
If the Listserv is (can be?) tweaked to Forward the message
while removing the From: line (not all of it, just the part
included between '<>'), then you could trump the spammers
(provided, of course, that you don't include your e-mail address
in the body of the message or as your signature ;-) Unfortunately
that way lies the dark side, i.e., impersonating someone else
would become so easy that any incompetent idiot with a grudge
could do it, as opposed to now when you have to be competent
(or know someone who is ;-) Another side effect is that
that would put an end to the so-called private e-mail discussions
since presumably nobody would know each other's addresses.
Regards,
---
ruddy
"A solved problem creates two new problems, and
the best prescription for happy living is not to solve any
more problems than you have to"
-Russell Baker.
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:38:08 -0700
From: "Pelayo Llamas, Jr." <pelayojr @LANMINDS.COM>
Subject: New movie
On page E 14 of the San Francisco Chronicle, August 19, 1999 appeared
the following in "Personals" section:
ROBERT DUVALL will direct and star in "Assassination Tango," which W
describes as a movie about "a dashing hit man who gets hooked on tango
while in Argentina on a mission."
I did a web search and found nothing. This may still be in the idea
stages. Any replies with more information would be appreciated.
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