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There are 13 messages totalling 438 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. "light like a feather" (2)
2. Please help!
3. Tango CDs on the Internet (2)
4. This week in San Francisco
5. Correction: Re: Tango CDs on the Internet
6. The Physics of Dance -Reply
7. Tango teacher in BA
8. To show the location of the earth quake
9. WARNING!: no cyberstalking allowed (2)
10. "The Dance of Life"
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:37:23 +0200
From: Sabine Fuchs <Sabine.Fuchs @SBG.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: "light like a feather"
At 22:47 17.08.99 -0600, Tom Stermitz wrote:
>I do not like a light, floating partner, which is often advocated in Ballroom.
Heavens, this is not what I was talking about! With "light like a feather"
(which I put into brackets for a good reason) I meant the followers reaction
to the lead. (Smooth, immediate...) IMO you can do that better while dancing
on your balls. (Not on your toes.) I did not mean a ballroom posture with
neither connection with the floor nor with the partner. No overstretched
legs, no backbent upper body. Two or three times I was confronted with
dedicated ballroom dancers (trying to) dance AT, and the result was in no
case a very good one.
>Many social dancers outside of Argentina lack density and connection. If there
>was one thing I wish North American dancers had a LOT more of, it is
>for connection. (Actually, I need the proverbial three wishes so I
>can Include include passion and musicality, but those are different
>diatribes).
Absolutely your opinion (for European dancers as well) - there is nothing
more unnerving than dancing with a man who gives you the feeling that he
doesn't want to touch you. But dancing not so close doesn't necessarily mean
a bad lead - while my experience was that men who dance close normally are
good leaders.
But please consider that not every woman sees that in the same way. There is
a very good dancer in our Tango community who always dances close, with
every woman. I like many others think it's great, but there are also some
women who refuse to dance with him - they don't like the close embrace.
Cheers
Sabine
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:05:10 +0200
From: Sabine Fuchs <Sabine.Fuchs @SBG.AC.AT>
Subject: Please help!
Can anybody share experiences with a teaching couple called Vilma&Fernando?
(I don't know anything except their first names, unfortunately.)
Sabine
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:35:51 EDT
From: Mirella Massetti <MMirella @AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: "light like a feather"
In a message dated 8/14/99 2:51:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
joe.camper @JUSTICEMAIL.COM writes:
<< A prime example would be Daniela Arcuri who feels so heavy when she is
dancing with you, that you wonder why would any man want to dance with a
woman who leans on her partner the way she does.
>>
By now you know you entered a mine field with this statement. Daniela is one
of the greatest dancers, I have a lot of admiration and respect for her, her
professionalism, and her skills.
I can assure you she can dance beautifully and effortlessly even without a
partner. It is up to you now to understand in which part of the couple the
problem lies. ;-))
Mirella Massetti
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:02:09 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tango CDs on the Internet
For sources of tango music on the web, I recommend three U.S. vendors.
All three specialize in tango music and have much more extensive
catalogs of titles than you will typically find U.S. stores.
Mark Celaya has a catalog of tango CDs with about 150 titles. To
order you may phone him at (800) 600-8644. For a list of titles you
may visit his website: <http://home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango>.
Daniel Trenner's Bridge to the Tango sells a growing list of tango
recordings and is usually quick to fill orders. You can request a
catalog directly by phone: (888) 382-6469, or visit the website:
<http://www.tangobridge.com/dtango7>.
Carlos Groppa has the most extensive list but can be slow to fill
orders. You can reach him through his webpage:
<http://members.aol.com/tango4you/alltango/catalog.htm>.
With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:55:17 -0700
From: Randy Garrou <randygarrou @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: This week in San Francisco
Can anyone help me find Nora's in San Francisco, or does anyone know of any
classes or milongas in San Francisco either this Thursday, Friday or
Saturday? Thanks for any help.
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:56:36 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Correction: Re: Tango CDs on the Internet
Oops,
Carlos Groppa's webpage catalog of tango CDs has changed locations.
The new URL is <http://www.tangoreporter.com>
With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:53:51 -0700
From: Lance Brady <LAB1 @CI.BERKELEY.CA.US>
Subject: The Physics of Dance -Reply
>>> Nitin Kibe <NKibe @IFC.ORG> 08/17/99 07:21am >>>
Greetings, List.
To add to the recent exchanges on analytic approaches to the tango, I
read this interesting book by Kenneth Laws, The Physics of Dance.
[snip]
This particular title is out of print....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nitin and List:
Three sites for buying or finding out-of-print books:
http://www.alibris.com
http://www.bibliofind.com/
http://www.abebooks.com/
Lance
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:11:25 EDT
From: Victor Crichton <victor_vsc @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Tango CDs on the Internet
A couple of days ago I posted a request for information about web-sites that
offered Tango CDs for sale. I received a request to post the results and
would now like to share what was given to me.
Many thanks to those that responded!
The one I was looking for, FARO is at:
http://www.farobue.com.ar/
I also received:
Tango Nada Mas in Chicago
http://www.tangonadamas.com/forsale.cfm
Christie Cotte in San Francisco, her e-mail is
SFTanguera @aol.com.
She is a teacher in Bay area and sales tango CDs.
Mark Celeya in Los Angeles
http://home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango
Daniel Trenner in New England
http://www.tangobridge.com/dtango7
Carlos Groppa
http://members.aol.com/tango4you/alltango/catalog.htm
I hope some of you find this useful. Unfortunately, I did not get any
information about the Zivals.com web-site. If any is forthcoming, I'll pass
it on.
Thanks again to those who sent info.
Victor Crichton
Tampa Bay, Florida
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:25:52 EDT
From: Dario Mendiguren <C21DARI @AOL.COM>
Subject: Tango teacher in BA
Dear list:
I've just come back from BA and I had an opportunity, when I went to dance to
"El Viejo Correo" to meet Sara, she was teaching Tango to a group of
people there before the Monday's Milonga. I really liked the way she was
teaching and the way she was emphasizing on the"apilado" (milonguero) style,
that the next Monday I tried myself and it was a great experience (she
share with me some "milonguero' style " secrets that make dancers look
better and did some 'fine tune" in my style,
She also at same time helped a friend of mine on her first Tango class and
I could tell you that Sara showed a lot of experience in her teaching skills
(after the class she told me that she learned with Miguel Angel Soto for
several years)
There is only a little problem, if you want to take classes with her, she
doesn't speak English so you relay have to at least know the Tango terms
well known in
"castellano" but she is very pacient and is not very expensive.
If you decide to take advantage to learn with her in your next trip to BA
call her at her cellular phone number 15 40 238180 and arrange a class
with her
PS whoever sees her send her my regards Thank you Dario
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:27:19 PDT
From: Eva Varon <e_varon_m @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: To show the location of the earth quake
Dear All,
I think if you are available to open this attachment of Turkey you can see
where Izmit, Adapazari, Golcuk and Duzce are located on the east part of
Istanbul distributed by the sea of Marmara. And Avcilar is located far west
on the point written s Istanbul through Trakya. And I and my family are
located close to the point mentioned as Uskudar.
I think the quake lso effected the Denizli which is located through Aegean
part.
I do not know if it helps you imagine the location and ever mean stg to you.
Best Regards
Eva
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:35:04 -0400
From: Christina Burtis <Cburtis @IFC.ORG>
Subject: WARNING!: no cyberstalking allowed
Dear List,
I have been annoyed for the last time upon hearing about yet another
instance of email harassment in connection with our Tango-L list. If you have
become a target for some pathetic individual's idea of fun, there are many
resources out there to help you. Email, or internet harassment, all know as
"cyberstalking" is ILLEGAL. Let me repeat this for those trolls who get their
jollies from abusing the membership of the Tango-L List:
<<<<CYBERSTALKING IS ILLEGAL, TRACEABLE, AND PROSECUTED.>>>>>
I work in the legal profession so I decided to put my research skills to
use for something I care a lot about: ar. tango - and anything related to ar.
tango. If you have received these harassing emails, save electronic and hard
copies for your records if you can. (never, NEVER open attachments however).
They will have information about the sender's identity & origins that you may
not be aware of. Then check out the informative sites I found regarding this
subject.
CyberAngles
http://www.cyberangels.org/indca11.html
The largest internet safety and education program since 1995. They have a
super site and a hotline available
for advice. Deals with all sorts of Internet abuse. You will especially want
to look into this site if you have children who
use the internet. Check out concept of "cookie" technology.
CyberSpace Law Center.
http://cyber.findlaw.com/criminal/cyberstalk.html
A great resource and collection of links on internet harassment from
Findlaw. The link above deals with
cyberstalking & email threats.
Washington Post Article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/frompost/nov98/email01.htm
A useful article by Brooke A. Masters in Nov. 1, 1998. Deals specifically
with email harassment and its prosecution.
Don't forget to send a copy of the offensive message to the administrator
of your service provider.
For example send to: POSTERMASTER @whatever.com, adding "Please do something
about this". Keep records
of the administrator's responsiveness, or lack thereof. You will also want to
check out your provider's anti-harassment
policy and how good they are about enforcing it. The organizations above, and
others, do monitor the track records
of various providers.
Good luck, best wishes and great tangos.
Love,
Melenita de Oro
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Here's mine: I have no interest, financial or otherwise, in the organizations
above. Nor am I acting in any professional
capacity, legal or other, by posting the above information. I am not an
attorney. These are solely my own views and not
those of my employer. I am fully responsible for the contents of this email,
with the exception of the links and their contents.
Links and the material they contain are copyrighted. My interest in posting
this statement is completely personal and my
intentions were to pass on publically-accessed information, in good faith, which
may be of use to others.
******* that about does it. :) *****************
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:52:56 -0700
From: Greg Olsen at Work <golsen @NONSTOP.COM>
Subject: Re: WARNING!: no cyberstalking allowed
On the subject of Email and cyberstalking. It is good advice to save
the mail in electronic and hardcopy form. Be sure to save/print the
complete headers from the mail. A lot of mail user agents like Netscape,
Outlook, etc. do not display complete header information by default.
That information is vital to tracking down offenders. I worked as a
postmaster for a large company and had to deal with several incidents of
email harrassment. Postmasters need that information to contact the
postmasters for the originating domain. Also, From: headers are easily
forged (spammers do it all the time), but send and receive information is
harder to forge. A careless hacker can be traced relatively easily.
Happy trails,
Greg Olsen
> I work in the legal profession so I decided to put my research skills to
>use for something I care a lot about: ar. tango - and anything related to ar.
>tango. If you have received these harassing emails, save electronic and hard
>copies for your records if you can. (never, NEVER open attachments however).
>They will have information about the sender's identity & origins that you may
>not be aware of. Then check out the informative sites I found regarding this
>subject.
>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:21:21 EDT
From: Cherie Magnus <MACFroggy @AOL.COM>
Subject: "The Dance of Life"
Hi List--
Just as an antidote to all the heavy stuff on the list lately, here's a
lovely observation by Jennifer Avalon from the Electra Buzz list:
<<There is nobody who can't dance....we are born with the gift. The question
is, how much do we use it? Somewhere along the way we've all had those
moments where we've watched from the sidelines wondering, would we look silly
on the floor?....but once we've joined in we're amazed at how the rhythm
carries us along. It's interesting that while we dance we become totally
unaware of who is watching....we are lost in the feeling of movement.
In the Dance of Life no one is truly the master....there's always room for
improvement. The lessons of life make us better dancers, and we all dream of
one day dancing the perfect dance. The Dance has its share of exhilaration,
hope, humor, fear and tenderness....truly magic in motion. On the Dance
Floor of Life miracles can happen when least expected. While the music
plays, and the dancers participate, up above in the balcony the Heavens watch
and observe us mere mortals grace the floor. They applaud when one person's
joy of The Dance spreads to another ...and another... Let's never forget
that we all know how to dance.....>>
Abrazos,
Cherie
Los Angeles
http://www.viveladifference.com
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