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There are 15 messages totalling 495 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Homepage Heidelberg Mannheim
2. Question: Tangofestivals in Europe 25 May - 9 June?
3. Ad for Tango Info in Wine Ad in New Yorker Magazine
4. Sore Feet: Ouch (5)
5. Tango Express
6. sore feet (2)
7. May in Cleveland
8. [Fwd: Tioma and Viviana]
9. Two pieces wanted by Astor Piazzolla
10. Dear Houston
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:46:30 +0200
From: Silke Engesser <j43 @IX.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE>
Subject: Homepage Heidelberg Mannheim
Liebe Tangofreunde,
die Heidelberger / Mannheimer haben jetzt auch eine homepage.
Schaut mal rein:
http://members.aol.com/tangomahd
Jeden Donnerstag ist in Heidelberg Milonga.
Viele Gruesse
Silke
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:17:17 +0200
From: mark <mark @FARM.DE>
Subject: Re: Question: Tangofestivals in Europe 25 May - 9 June?
hi Anders
some events can be found at
http://www.is-bremen.de/~tocco/Tango/TangoBaelle.html
>I have a friend visiting from US and have this question for you.
>Could someone please inform me about if there are any Argentine Tango
>festivals or workshops to visit in Europe - the closer to Sweden the
>better - in the period 25 May to 9 June 1999?
>
>Also larger milongas or similar arrangements would be interesting.
bye
mark
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:07:40 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Ad for Tango Info in Wine Ad in New Yorker Magazine
From: Greg Olsen at Work Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:56 PM
>
> I checked out the tango instruction. It is bronze level American style
> tango.
It's a bit of a mish-mash, isn't it? The instruction is American tango, but
every other reference to tango is Argentine:
The midi music (Uno) is not a song you'll hear in an American tango
repertoire, and the tempo and style wouldn't fit the dance.
The glossary contains terms used only in Argentine tango. I never saw a
molinete in American tango, or heard the term used, to cite one example.
The tango history doesn't even mention Vernon and Irene Castle ;-) ;-) ;-)
;-).
Tangringo
____________________
Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane
Harriman, NY
oldzeid @frontiernet.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at
http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm
Por el fomento y progreso del Tango
===================
Visit the Hudson Valley Tango Web Site at
http://www.nycdc.com/hvtango
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:23:00 -0400
From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV>
Subject: Sore Feet: Ouch
Colette:
I suggest that you let the man absorb some of your weight. My
teacher tells men in group lessons that our left hand has one
purpose only: "to be the woman's private leaning post."
I also suggest shoe inserts or pads to cushion your foot.
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:44:36 +0100
From: elonce <elonce @POPMAIL.DIRCON.CO.UK>
Subject: Tango Express
Hallo Everybody,
Does anyone have any information about a tango company called "Tango
Express", which I have just been told is coming to London for a run of ten
weeks?
The company assisting with the PR didn't have any details !
Many thanks,
Paul Lange
El Once Tango News
http://www.elonce.dircon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:45:26 -0400
From: "Jean-François Bouchard" <jean-francois.bouchard @MEQ.GOUV.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Sore Feet: Ouch
Michael
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Date : 99-04-22 09=3A23
Colette=3A
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teacher tells men in group lessons that our left hand has one=20
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:51:22 +0100
From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Sore Feet: Ouch
Some teachers and some styles of tango suggest that the woman *leans* on =
the
man. Personally I prefer that each partner supports his/her own weight an=
d
maintains their own balance.
Manuel
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From: Jean-Fran=E7ois Bouchard <jean-francois.bouchard @MEQ.GOUV.QC.CA>
To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Sore Feet: Ouch
Michael
I cannot possibly agree. Each partner should be self-supporting.
Jean-Francois Bouchard
____________________________ S=E9parateur R=E9ponse
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Objet : Sore Feet: Ouch
Auteur : <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV> =E0 Internet-Mail
Date : 99-04-22 09:23
Colette:
I suggest that you let the man absorb some of your weight. My
teacher tells men in group lessons that our left hand has one
purpose only: "to be the woman's private leaning post."
I also suggest shoe inserts or pads to cushion your foot.
=3D
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:41:13 -0700
From: JC Dill <tango @VO.CNCHOST.COM>
Subject: Re: Sore Feet: Ouch
OK, Jean-Francois, I'll wear flat "men's" shoes, and you wear a pair of 4
inch "women's" tango heels, and we can dance together in reversed roles for
a month.
Then we will see if you can "possibly" agree.
Try walking a mile in the other person's shoes, *literally*, before you
make a statement like this.
In general, the woman should support her own weight, but there are
exceptions. For the woman to lean slightly into her partner and let her
partner absorb *some* of the weight that would otherwise be entirely on the
metatarsal pads of her feet is acceptable to most gentlemen tangueros.
jc
On 09:45 AM 4/22/99 -0400, Jean-Fran=E7ois Bouchard wrote:
> Michael
> =20
> I cannot possibly agree. Each partner should be self-supporting.
> =20
> Jean-Francois Bouchard
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>Objet : Sore Feet: Ouch=20
>Auteur : <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV> =E0 Internet-Mail
>Date : 99-04-22 09:23
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> Colette:
> =20
> I suggest that you let the man absorb some of your weight. My=20
> teacher tells men in group lessons that our left hand has one=20
> purpose only: "to be the woman's private leaning post."
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> I also suggest shoe inserts or pads to cushion your foot.
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:46:16 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Sore Feet: Ouch
From: Michael Ditkoff Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:23 AM:
> I suggest that you let the man absorb some of your weight....
> our left hand has one purpose only: "to be the woman's private leaning
post."
Great! It may not have cured her sore feet, but it gave me a sore arm!
Thanks for the tip.....;-)
Tangringo
____________________
Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane
Harriman, NY
oldzeid @frontiernet.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at
http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm
Por el fomento y progreso del Tango
===================
Visit the Hudson Valley Tango Web Site at
http://www.nycdc.com/hvtango
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:50:46 -0600
From: Wayne R Williams <WAYNE_WILLIAMS @HP-LOVELAND-OM2.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: sore feet
>I suggest that you let the man absorb some of your weight. My teacher
>tells men in group lessons that our left hand has one purpose only:
>"to be the woman's private leaning post."
ouch!!!
for me this would guarantee a short trip around the dance floor. to
much leaning leaves my body feeling as though i have just exited the
gym versus a tango. the energy from the hips down is grounded and
into the earth. the energy from the hips up is relaxed and is about
embracing your partner - true for both the leader and the follower.
there is, however, an element of support that does play into the
embrace, but it is only along a rotational axis (perpendicular to the
ground) to assist with turns or ochos. perhaps your teacher was
referring to this form of support. this, however will do nothing to
alleviate the stresses on a followers foot - it is about creating
rotational movement. i have spent numerous hours with teachers
working on eliminating various forms of tension in the upper body that
detract from the dance - energy in thrusting the head forward, any
lifting of the shoulders (which would provide the lean-against-me
support alluded to above). this then frees your upper body to move in
the way necessary to lead from a relaxed place. leaning introduces
tension in both partners both emotionally and physically.
regards,
wayne williams
boulder colorado
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:14:15 -0600
From: Wayne R Williams <WAYNE_WILLIAMS @HP-LOVELAND-OM2.OM.HP.COM>
Subject: sore feet
okay,
i've thought about this more and realize my previous posting was not
entirely accurate or complete.
it seems intuitive that a slightly forward lean by the follower which
is newton's third by a man (supporting counter force) could help to
reduce some of the pressure on the ball of the foot - i offer this
humbly acknowledging that i am outside of my area here.
however,,,,, there is something to be cautious about here. the best
women that i have danced with offer this paradoxical and delicious mix
of feeling both dense - read present, and being effortless to move.
so the intention behind the forward lean is about hearing your partner
- connecting with your partner. if the intention of the follower is
to find support for aching feet i suspect that would alter the entire
feeling of the dance and create some of the tension i referred to
earlier.
these comments are offered within in the framework of what creates a
nice dance - obviously within my understanding of the dance.
if your feet are hurting this is obviously a different consideration
and you need to respect your body. leaning on a trusted friend is of
course fine - especially if they understand what is going on. i also
recall seeing some women teachers in bs as dancing at milongas in
tennis shoes - granted casual ones like the outdoor calisita - but
there is a message there....
cheers,
wayne williams
boulder colorado
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:13:51 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: May in Cleveland
The month of May will be a good tango month in Cleveland.
Saturday and Sunday, May, 8 & 9 Tioma & Viviana
a wonderful couple from New York City. Tioma born in Russia, and Viviana born
in Boenos Aires. I feel one of the up and coming couples to watch for. There
Salon style will just captivate you.
They are tango instructors at the International Ballet Dance Center at
Carnegie hall. They possess a spirited, elegant style of dancing which
appeals to a wider audience while winning the raise of the milongueros.
Distilling the essentials of tango, learned firsthand from the dancers of the
older generation, their dance is a fine example of the authentic salon style
of tango with its emphasis on musicality, posture, balance, and communication
between partners.
Also coming to Cleveland Wednesday Night May 19
Daniel Lapadula, will be in Cleveland for one night putting on a workshop,
and working one on one with each couple present.
Nito and Elba will be in Cleveland from Aug 18 thru the 24
for more information please contact
Tim Pogros (TimmyTango)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:46:01 -0500
From: Karen Whitesell <kglass @IPA.NET>
Subject: [Fwd: Tioma and Viviana]
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:29:33 -0500
From: Karen Whitesell <kglass @ipa.net>
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Dear Cleveland and all,
You must try to take classes from Tioma and Viviana. I met Tioma
(El Ruso) in New York City, and he was wonderful. I loved his class and
his teaching methods. He even asked me to dance one night. What a
thrill, that tall young frame, those protective arms, and that strong
chest...
That chest, he wasn't afraid to meet yours.
And Viviana, such a beautiful person, in personality and performance.
Those thin, long legs... to die for.
Just see them, sigh,
Karen
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:57:20 -0500
From: Aristotelis Grammatikakis <arigr @HUGO.SMFA.EDU>
Subject: Two pieces wanted by Astor Piazzolla
Hola hermanos del tango.
I am looking for Astor Piazzolla's -original- album versions of Libertang=
o
and Balada para un Loco. I have both pieces in different versions, played=
by the master himself in concerts or by other people but I am looking for=
the
original albums. To my knowledge Libertango is included in a CD by the sa=
me
name which includes other ~tangos (such as Tristango and Amelitango) and
I also found lyrics of it, so it must be sung? If that album doesn't incl=
ude the
sung version, then I am looking for the sung one. As for Balada, well, th=
e same
thing. They are both very difficult to find here in Boston, I think I loo=
ked everywhere. Also tried a couple online stores.
Any help would be appreciated.
A.
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:05:06 -0500
From: Karen Whitesell <kglass @IPA.NET>
Subject: Dear Houston
Well, my Mapquest directions and my tango shoes are all packed, and I'm
headed your way for Houston Stained Glass Supply's open house/ seminars.
(I'll be learning a CAD program for designing stained glass. I can
design those beautiful shoes we've been talking about!)
A.Lester Buck III tells me I can dance on Sat night at Discover Dance
Studio and on Sun at Cafe Express. Kinda makes the 600 miles worth the
trip.
Anxious to meet tango dancers in Houston...When I met Arturo in Fla., he
said I didn't look anything like I wrote. We laughed.
Wish we could have a Tango L Milonga. It would be fun to meet/dance
and laugh with all.
Looking forward to Houston, just one tango town at a time.
Karen
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