Tango-L mailing list archive: Digest 14 Apr 1999 to 15 Apr 1999

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Digest from 14 Apr 1999 to 15 Apr 1999

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There are 16 messages totalling 649 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. "Forever Tango" video & CD 2. Orillero style (3) 3. Forever Tango Video & CD; only 50 minutes NOT 2 hours 4. Tango at The Coyte Point Yacht Club (SF Bay Area-San Mateo) 5. Tango Real Quartett im Internet 6. Tango Burnout (4) 7. TANGOING Opening night in SFO 8. TANGO NIGHT: WEBCAST/DANCE 4/15/99 9. tango burn out 10. Fabian Salas Schedule in Atlanta 11. Fabian Salas Schedule

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:14:47 +0000 From: Mark Celaya <mark-joan-tango @JUNO.COM> Subject: "Forever Tango" video & CD We wish to thank everyone who responded to our offer for the "Forever Tango" video and hope you are enjoying it. Due to the overwhelming response we have received, a new shipment (the first is sold out) is available immediately for distribution. Also we wish to clarify that the video is approximately ONE hour long--not two--as we were originally misinformed as to its length. The video is excellent quality and professionally edited using multiple camera angles and closeups. You may order by calling (818) 763-1294 or by fax: (818) 623-8322. Visa/Mastercard accepted. Shipping is included in the price: $39:95. Make sure to visit our Web site for more information on our special events and CDs. Con Abrazos, Mark & Joan http://home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:15:23 +0200 From: Alexis Cousein <al @BRUSSELS.SGI.COM> Subject: Re: Orillero style Raimund Schlie wrote: > I doubt. Ask somebody from BsAs who knows about styles and he will not agree He will not agree to *any* classification. Tango, IMHO, has as many styles as there are (good) couples (and even more -- I dance in many styles depending on partner, music and mood), and that's one of its most endearing characteristics. If you're really good, you can even spawn your own following: the mere fact that there *are* more than one style to start giving names to speaks for that fact -- we'd all be dancing the same way by now if nobody had ever dared testing the envelope. Yet more confusing, groups that dance *similar* styles also see their `common' style evolve, which, in the course of the years, leads one word to cover different style groups at different times. (and of course, many Argentines also delight in creating their own nomenclature that is conflicting with that of others -- `Salon' is used by Tete totally differently than by many others before him, though Tete seems to have skewed the `common' meaning of the word in his favour over the years -- but then, I'm sensing a swing of the pendulum back the other way now ;) ). Obvious last words: who gives a rats-ass what it's called, as long as it feels good for both partners (and invariably also *looks* good -- I've never seen two people dance a tango in harmony yield an ugly result. For many good milongueros, the `imperfections' are even a part of their style, just like `impurities' in a diamond that are well-distributed can yield a splendid coloured diamond). -- Alexis Cousein Systems Engineer Silicon Graphics Belgium al @brussels.sgi.com

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:37:35 +0200 From: Raimund Schlie <kbb @PODEWIL.DE> Subject: Re: Orillero style Alexis, very much so. And in addition: there is a tendency to bring classification and apodictic definition into Tango Argentino, for some people it seems to be even the most interesting part of it. Strange attitude... Raimund PS to Alexis: maybe we saw each other in Nijmegen? Alexis Cousein wrote: > Raimund Schlie wrote: > > I doubt. Ask somebody from BsAs who knows about styles and he will not agree > > He will not agree to *any* classification. > > Tango, IMHO, has as many styles as there are (good) couples (and even > more -- I dance in many styles depending on partner, music and mood), > and that's one of its most endearing characteristics. > > If you're really good, you can even spawn your own following: the mere > fact that there *are* more than one style to start giving names to > speaks for that fact -- we'd all be dancing the same way by now if > nobody had ever dared testing the envelope. > > Yet more confusing, groups that dance *similar* styles also see their > `common' style evolve, which, in the course of the years, leads one word > to cover different style groups at different times. > > (and of course, many Argentines also delight in creating their own > nomenclature that is conflicting with that of others -- `Salon' is used > by Tete totally differently than by many others before him, though Tete > seems to have skewed the `common' meaning of the word in his favour over > the years -- but then, I'm sensing a swing of the pendulum back the > other way now ;) ). > > Obvious last words: who gives a rats-ass what it's called, as long as it > feels good for both partners (and invariably also *looks* good -- I've > never seen two people dance a tango in harmony yield an ugly result. For > many good milongueros, the `imperfections' are even a part of their > style, just like `impurities' in a diamond that are well-distributed can > yield a splendid coloured diamond). > > -- > Alexis Cousein > Systems Engineer > Silicon Graphics Belgium > al @brussels.sgi.com -- ************************************************************* Raimund Schlie Podewil - KBB Klosterstrasse 68-70 10179 Berlin tel (work): +49+30-247 49 750 fax (work): +49+30-247 49 700 tel (home): +49+30-85 60 34 15 email: kbb @podewil.de *************************************************************

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:55:00 -0400 From: Asta Chen <Asta_Chen @HARVARDPILGRIM.ORG> Subject: Re: Forever Tango Video & CD; only 50 minutes NOT 2 hours Hello Tango-L, I am wonder beside me does anybody order "Forever Tango" video from Mark and Joan? According to below information, the "Forever Tango" video is approx. 2 hours long. However, after I ordered video, received and watched it. It is only 50 minutes, NOT 2 hours. Everybody knows that 2 hours is 120 minutes, and 50 minutes is not equal to 120 minutes. I wrote e-mail to Mark and Joan on Monday, 4/12, asked for explaination. But they did not response back to me. I am wonder does anyone order "Forever Tango" video and get 2 hours long, and I got a SHRINK one. Asta ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Forever Tango Video & CD Author: Mark Celaya <mark-joan-tango @JUNO.COM> at HPHC

Date: 4/5/99 6:40 PM We'd like to announce a great opportunity for "Forever Tango" fans. We are now distributing and selling direct the official "Forever Tango" Video --Broadway Version--Produced and officially released by Luis Bravo. This exceptional video is approx. 2 hours long, and we are offering it for only $39.95 (which includes free shipping and immediate delivery). We also have available the "Forever Tango" soundtrack (2 CD set) for only $29.95 (free shipping). Order both Video and CD for only $64.95 (free shipping). We accept Visa and Mastercard. Visit our website for a more complete list of available CDs, as well as info. on our Friday Night Milonga-- the largest Milonga in Southern California--and other special events. Please join us for our Annual Spring Dance on Friday April 23. Come dressed in your favorite "Roaring 20s" costume and be eligible to win great prizes, or just come and have a great time! Call us at (818) 763-1294 or Fax: (818) 623-8322. Con Abrazos, Mark & Joan Address: home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:24:49 +0200 From: Alexis Cousein <al @BRUSSELS.SGI.COM> Subject: Re: Orillero style Raimund Schlie wrote: > > Alexis, very much so. And in addition: there is a tendency to bring classification > and apodictic definition into Tango Argentino, for some people it seems to be even > the most interesting part of it. Strange attitude... > Raimund > > PS to Alexis: maybe we saw each other in Nijmegen? Must've been some time ago -- since I have a son, I've never managed to attend Eric's gig (it's in the evenings). I do try to go to some of the afternoons, though, in the Pianofabriek and Humbeek in Belgium, nowadays. -- Alexis Cousein Systems Engineer SGI Belgium al @brussels.sgi.com

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:29:24 EDT From: L- El Nonno <RosaLed @AOL.COM> Subject: Tango at The Coyte Point Yacht Club (SF Bay Area-San Mateo) Milonga de Mis Amores presents Tango april 24 1999 At the coyte point yacht club. Introductory class 8:30 - 9:15 PM Milonga ( Dance Party ) 9:15 PM - 1:00 AM Salsa and Tango Exhibitions yacht club members free admission! guest $ 10.00 for: inf. (510) 243-0742 Directions coyote point yacht club is located in San Mateo, ca on the groundos of the Coyote point Recreation Area. Coyote Point is a peninsula that is located on the west side of the San Francisco Bay, just south of the San Francisco Airport and north of the San Mateo Bridge (hwy 92) >From the north - San Francisco; take hwy 101 south past the San Francisco Airport. Turn right on Poplar Ave, (about 1.9 miles past the Broadway Exit). Turn right on Humboldt (traffic Light). Turn right on Peninsula Ave (traffic Light ). Cross back over the freeway. Just before the freeway entrance turn left. After passing under the overpass (and before the golf course) turn left. After passing the Park entracen Kiosks, bear right all the way to the end >From the south - San Jose; take Hwy 101 north past the San Mateo Bridge (hwy 92) Turn right on Dore Ave (the third exit pass the hwy 92) Immediately !!! turn left following the frontage road past the Golf Course. Turn right at the end of the Golf Course immediately before the overpass. After passing the Park entrance Kiosks, bear right all the way to the End ( Plus; watch for the " Tango " sign!!!!) Host; Itati and Emilio Flores This Milonga will be the fourth saturday of evrery month!!!!

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:34:38 +0200 From: Robert <tango2 @ZEDAT.FU-BERLIN.DE> Subject: Tango Real Quartett im Internet

375E3C84F102084AF9AD2027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Liebe Tangofreunde! Das Tango Real Quartett aus Berlin hat seit dem 7. April 1999 eine eigene Homepage. Unter dem Link http://www.tangoreal.de koennt Ihr uns erreichen. Ihr erhaltet dort Informationen |ber die Gruppe. Wir wuerden uns ueber einen Besuch von Euch freuen. Schreibt uns, wie euch die Seite gefaellt,oder wenn Ihr Fragen, Wuensche oder Anregungen habt. Versionen in Spanisch oder Englisch werden bald folgen. Viele Gruesse, Robert Schmidt email: kontakt @tangoreal.de

375E3C84F102084AF9AD2027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <h1> Liebe Tangofreunde!</h1> Das Tango Real Quartett aus Berlin hat seit dem 7. April 1999 eine eigene Homepage. Unter dem Link <a href="http://www.tangoreal.de">http://www.tangoreal.de</a> koennt Ihr uns erreichen. Ihr erhaltet dort Informationen über die Gruppe. Wir wuerden uns ueber einen Besuch von Euch freuen. Schreibt uns, wie euch die Seite gefaellt,oder wenn Ihr Fragen, Wuensche oder Anregungen habt. Versionen in Spanisch oder Englisch werden bald folgen. Viele Gruesse, Robert Schmidt email: kontakt @tangoreal.de </html>

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:25:34 -0500 From: David Locke <dlocke @BINDVIEW.COM> Subject: Tango Burnout After nine months of almost daily classes, practicas, milongas, workshops and private lessons, after finding a group of very supportive friends, I'm at that plateau and I'm burning out. How did you get past this if it has happened to you? A tango buddy of mine sugested going cold turkey for a while, but I really don't want to find something else to fill my calendar. I have to many tango freinds to just disappear. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. David Locke

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:01:02 -0700 From: Pat Cummings <drpat @AHT.COM> Subject: Re: Tango Burnout David Locke wrote: "After nine months of almost daily classes, practicas, milongas, = workshops and private lessons, after finding a group of very supportive friends, = I'm at that plateau and I'm burning out. How did you get past this if it has happened to you?" This has happened to me with other activities, although not yet with = Argentine Tango. Perhaps your feeling burned out is a result of your = "daily classes, ... workshops and private lessons..." That sounds like = a lot of learning for what should be a "fun" activity! There's a lot = more to AT than learning "new steps". Instead of cold turkey, perhaps what you need is to stop taking formal = lessons for a little while, and simply dance. I know that in my VAST = (sarcasm, folks!) two-year-plus AT experience, we have been forced = several times to forgo lessons due to lack of funds. But we still kept = dancing tango. Even when foot problems keep me from dancing, we still attend the = milongas and events. I get pleasure from talking with my tango friends, = watching Ken dance with the other ladies, and listening to the music. I hope this helps you, too. --Pat =20 (of Pat&Ken, dancing whatever we want, but mostly tango...)

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:04:34 -0700 From: Planet Tango <tangoman @HOOKED.NET> Subject: TANGOING Opening night in SFO We are very excited about the opening of TANGOING, Dance Concert at the Alcazar Theater this Monday, April 19. Billed as "A show with all the dance, magic and expression of the new generation," TANGOING is the brainchild of Daniela Arcuri, Armando Orzuza, Marcos Questas and Zita Gonzalez, Argentine Tango dancing professionals from Argentina, now residing in Los Angeles. The cast also features Guillermo Merlo, who was a member of the cast of Forever Tango for several years. He nows partners his sweetheart and exquisite dancer Fernanda Ghi, who danced tango on stage several years in Japan under contract with Fuji. Omar "Tweety" Merlo, Guillermo's brother and a renown dancer in Buenos Aires, will dance with talented Natalia Lavandeira. Completing the cast are Juan Manuel "Malambo" Fernandez and Edith Paez. According to Miranda Garrison, assistant choreographer of the movie "Evita," in TANGOING "tradition meets innovation." And Vince Patterson, a director and choreographer, who was a consultant to "Evita" also said, "but most astonishingly, it presents the tango as a 'contemporary' form of expression." The initial publicity, including an ad on El Firulete, listed the previews starting April 16 (you know who's birthday) through April 20, and the opening on April 21. People contacting the box office (415.441.4042) are being advised that the Opening Night will be Monday, April 19 at 8 PM. Tuesday, April 20 will the theater will be dark. The Alcazar is located at 650 Geary Street at Jones, three blocks from Union Square. Check Valorie Hart's commentaries at, http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/firulete/tangoing.htm Thank you for visiting Planet Tango at, http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:04:37 -0700 From: Planet Tango <tangoman @HOOKED.NET> Subject: TANGO NIGHT: WEBCAST/DANCE 4/15/99

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:11:00 -0700 (PDT) To: mailinglist @ialfredo.com From: al @ialfredo.com TOMORROW: THU, APRIL 15 @ 7PM INTERNET alfredo presents: "Tango Night" $5 COVER. TANGO ALL NIGHT LONG! FREE INTERNET ACCESS & WEBCAST Alberto Paz, World Renowned Argentine Tango Master will be showing his magic this Thursday, April 15 at INTERNET alfredo with Tango extraordinaire Valorie Hart [his tango partner] before they leave for their USA tour! INTERNATIONAL AUDIENCES: INTERNET alfredo will webcast the Dance via the latest push technology @ http://www.ialfredo.com/webcam.html DON'T MISS IT! Come watch Tango at its best and network with the Tango scene in San Francisco. After the show, dance Tango till you drop with the Masters! WHERE & WHEN: INTERNET alfredo -- SF's WILDEST CYBERCAFE! http://www.ialfredo.com/ 790-A Brannan Street/7th street San Francisco, CA 94103 U.S.A. APRIL, THU. 15TH @ 7PM. For directions go to; http://ialfredo.com/directions.html Thank you for visiting Planet Tango at, http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:40:22 -0700 From: Greg Olsen at Work <golsen @NONSTOP.COM> Subject: Re: Tango Burnout David Locke <dlocke @BINDVIEW.COM> wrote: >After nine months of almost daily classes, practicas, milongas, workshops >and private lessons, after finding a group of very supportive friends, I'm >at that plateau and I'm burning out. How did you get past this if it has >happened to you? > When I am burned out on tango, I do more ballroom and latin. When I am burned out on ballroom, I do more tango. I could never quit dancing completely. I also recently found that switching teachers and/or venues can be really refreshing. It helps to get a new perspective on things and re-evaluate your goals. Happy trails, Greg Olsen

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:23:47 EDT From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM> Subject: tango burn out If you only had my schedule. I teach tango on Wednesday nights, Thursday nights, and Saturday nights. Plus I just got back from CITA. talk about Burn out. I my self love the salsa and merengue. It doesn't take much thinking just letting you body move to the music. my Saturday night milonga ends with the salsa bands taking over. I wouldn't have it any other way. My good friend Sammy DeLeon has a 13 piece Salsa band, and any one who has come to my workshops also sees and hears Sammy play. Tim Pogros (TimmyTango)

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:32:24 -0400 From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: Fabian Salas Schedule in Atlanta Hi all: Here is the schedule of events for the visit of Fabian Salas in Atlanta: WORKSHOPS: 1. Thursday April 29, 9:00-10:30 p.m. Musicality 2. Friday April 30, 9:00-10:30 p.m. Fundamentals of tango Free dance 10:30 to 11:30 (or so) 3. Saturday May 1, 1:30-3:00 p.m. Intermediate Skills 4. Saturday May 1, 3:30-5:00 p.m. Vals 5. Sunday May 2, 12:30-2:00 p.m. Sacadas 6. Sunday May 2, 12:30-2:00 p.m. Jumps & performance moves 7. Monday May 3, 8:30 - 10:00 p.m. Milonga workshop 8. Tuesday may 4, 8:00 - 9:30 p.m. Improvisation 9:30 - 10:00 question & answer All workshops except Sunday at the Decatur School of Ballet. 102 Church Street, Decatur. Sunday workshops at Locurto's Ballroom 2991-D N. Druid Hills Rd. N.E. Toco Hills Shopping Center Friday night dance hour after the workshop at the Decatur School of Ballet. Saturday Night Dine and Dance at Toni's Casa Napoli. Sunday after the workshops a group of us will go to the Music Midtown Festival. Check out www.musicmidtown.com to see the featured acts, fees, etc. for this three day event. We are particularly interested in Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and the fabulous Latin group "Cubanismo". Fee schedule: 1-3 workshops $25 each 4-7 workshops $20 each All 8 workshops $150 Friday night dance hour: no charge Saturday night at Toni's Casa Napoli: no cover, you pay for your own consumption of food and drinks. Midtown Music Festival: see www.musicmidtown.com Thanks very much for your interest and support. Manuel Patino www.tango-rio.com

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:40:30 -0400 From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET> Subject: Re: Tango Burnout Hi David, You wrote: > at that plateau and I'm burning out. How did you get past this.... Any help will be greatly appreciated. David, don't let yourself think in terms of plateaus, or of things you have to learn. They'll come. Try this: Find a partner that will dance with you, and find an empty floor somewhere. Put on Quejas de Bandoneon, or Gallo Ciego, or Don Juan, or Recuerdos, or....(your choice)...... Embrace your partner, close your eyes, and let the music get inside you. You'll tango. Tangringo ____________________ Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane Harriman, NY oldzeid @frontiernet.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm Por el fomento y progreso del Tango =================== Visit the Hudson Valley Tango Web Site at http://www.nycdc.com/hvtango

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:44:12 -0400 From: Manuel Patino <manuelp @MINDSPRING.COM> Subject: Fabian Salas Schedule Hi everybody, Please forgive me for using up bandwidth but I forgot to post the cost for private lessons with Fabian. The cost is $60 per hour. Please contact Ronda rondap @mindspring.com to schedule private lessons. We still have some slots open particularly on Friday, Monday & Tuesday, but they are going fast. Thanks again, Manuel Patino www.tango-rio.com

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