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There are 15 messages totalling 610 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Milonga in Milan
2. Facundo & Kely Posadas workshops???
3. Orillero style (3)
4. Trivia-History Quiz ... Just for fun
5. Graciela Gonzalez in Chicago Apr 14-18
6. New Instructional Video Review (and some comments)
7. Sv: TANGO-L Digest - 7 Apr 1999 to 8 Apr 1999
8. Re[2]: On "asking" -Reply -Reply
9. Baila Tango in New York
10. De Pura Cepa
11. Matej Oresic in Washington DC.
12. Tango comes to the former Tango Desert
13. Nora's tango week and weekend
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:03:25 +0100
From: giuseppe blanco <giubla @IOL.IT>
Subject: Milonga in Milan
Dear Tango friends,
we are very happy to announce the "first tango soiree" at Milonga Ideal
of Saturday April 10th, starting 10.00 PM
musicaliza Giuseppe Blanco.
Milonga Ideal is a fascinating place in a building of the beginning of
the century.
Milonga Ideal
viale Molise 68 Milan, Italy,
Admission ticket (included one drink):
Lit. 15.000
http://www.foxservice.com/milonga_ideal/
ciao, Giuseppe
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:18:56 +0200
From: el Suizo <milonguero @CHEERFUL.COM>
Subject: Re: Facundo & Kely Posadas workshops???
Dear Bobby...
I know that they will be here in our fair city of Lausanne during the
Lausanne festival organised by my old association. The dates are:
21 mai - 24 mai 1999
I try to a maintain web page on them, in order for tango nomades like you
and me to follow them. I've just created a web page for them
http://www.gotan.ch/facundoYkelly.htm ... if you learn more about their
travel points can you forward the information to me? Thanx.
cheers
/Shawn (de Lausanne)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:03:00 -0400
From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV>
Subject: Re: Orillero style
Valerie
My understanding that the four styles of tango are:
Salon
Milonga
Vals (Waltz)
Fantasy
Milonguero means close embrace and be used in each of the four
styles of tango above.
Based on my limited understanding of tango, Orillero goes back
to the origin days of tango when there was a "black" tango
danced by the lower classes and a Orillero (white) version
that was danced by the middle and higher classes. The "black"
version was the erotic version while the orillero was less
explicit.
Hope this helps -- and that I'm right.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:29:20 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Trivia-History Quiz ... Just for fun
Hi List:
I just came across an article in a dance magazine with a little history of
the (blank). Here's part of it. See if you can guess what the dance is and
where the places are:
"If there exists a form of music that is a direct expression of sensuality,
it is the (blank).
" ...The contemporaries of the first (blank) were highly shocked at the
eroticism of this dance in which a lady clung to her partner, closed her
eyes as in a happy dream, and glided off as if the world had disappeared.
The (blank) melodies overflowed with longing, desire and tenderness.
"These new (blank) melodies could trace their ancestry back to the (blank)
of early 18th century (blank), and to the (blank) on the banks of the
(blank) river.
"... There is something about a (blank) that is irresistible."
The answer's obvious, right?
Scroll down
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(suspense?)
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Did anyone say: Tango?... Buenos Aires?... (ahem) brothels?... Rio de la
Plata?
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(more suspense?)
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The dance is the Viennese Waltz, born in the beer gardens of the 18th
century, and the rural inns and taverns on the outskirts of Vienna and on
the banks of the Danube.
Imagine! Sensuality and eroticism in 6/8 time!
Tangringo
____________________
Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane
Harriman, NY
oldzeid @frontiernet.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at
http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm
Por el fomento y progreso del Tango
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:40:20 -0400
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= A. Contreras" <jcontrer @CMET.NET>
Subject: Re: Orillero style
First some history of tango. At the beginning, tango was a dance/music of=
low
social and economic level people in Buenos Aires, most of them living in =
the
outer neigborhoods, called "orillas" (edges) of the city. Hence, "oriller=
o" is
a tango danced in the "orillas", a more rough style, without subtleties,=
many
times danced on the back yard of the houses, on earth floor, so it had to=
be
danced rising the feet, not sliding over the floor like is now danced th=
e
salon style.
"Orillero" is almost a synonim of "canyengue".
Salut mon amie. Si tu veux parler plus du tango et de son histoire, je su=
is
ici.
Jos=E9 A. Contreras
Santiago de Chile
Sanchou/Missire/Gourgues/Kim wrote:
> Hi list !
>
> Could someone explain me what is the Orillero style. I know Sal=
on,
> Milonguero, Fantasia, Canyenge but Orillero=8A ?
>
> Thank you for your answers.
>
> Val=E9rie Sanchou
> Toulouse - FRANCE
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:37:49 -0600
From: Roger Ray <r-ray @NWU.EDU>
Subject: Graciela Gonzalez in Chicago Apr 14-18
I picked up a flyer last night that announces that Graciela Gonzalez will
be in Chicago next week: Apr 14-18.
Private lessons ($80) will be available on Wed (14th) & Fri(16th).
There will be six two-hour workshops ($35 each) on Sat & Sun (Apr 17-18):
* Finding your center and posture
* Women's decorations
* Getting comfortable with close embrace
* Changing dance directions
* Using your body & the music to communicate
* Milonga con traspie
There's also a practica ($25) on Thurs & a fundamentals class ($35) on Fri.
Events are at several locations in Chicago -- downtown & near north side.
For info:
Call Al (773-994-7929)
or Kathy (312-315-8126 or 1-888-TANGO-21 (leave msg))
--
Roger Ray
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:50:34 +0200
From: Raimund Schlie <kbb @PODEWIL.DE>
Subject: Re: Orillero style
"Jos=E9 A. Contreras" wrote:
> First some history of tango. At the beginning, tango was a dance/music =
of low
> social and economic level people in Buenos Aires, most of them living i=
n the
> outer neigborhoods, called "orillas" (edges) of the city. Hence, "orill=
ero" is
> a tango danced in the "orillas", a more rough style, without subtletie=
s, many
> times danced on the back yard of the houses, on earth floor, so it had =
to be
> danced rising the feet, not sliding over the floor like is now danced =
the
> salon style.
>
> "Orillero" is almost a synonim of "canyengue".
I doubt. Ask somebody from BsAs who knows about styles and he will not ag=
ree.
Although nobody really can reconstruct some "authentic" orillero or canye=
ngue,
people I asked nevertheless denied the identity of these two. They would
occasionally point at somebody dancing in a sal=F3n and emphasize: "Look!=
HE is
dancing orillero (or canyengue or...)!" So: Tango experts of the world, t=
hink
twice before you repeat things you can=B4t know.
Raimund
>
>
> Salut mon amie. Si tu veux parler plus du tango et de son histoire, je =
suis
> ici.
>
> Jos=E9 A. Contreras
> Santiago de Chile
>
> Sanchou/Missire/Gourgues/Kim wrote:
>
> > Hi list !
> >
> > Could someone explain me what is the Orillero style. I know S=
alon,
> > Milonguero, Fantasia, Canyenge but Orillero=8A ?
> >
> > Thank you for your answers.
> >
> > Val=E9rie Sanchou
> > Toulouse - FRANCE
--
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Klosterstrasse 68-70 10179 Berlin
tel (work): +49+30-247 49 750
fax (work): +49+30-247 49 700
tel (home): +49+30-85 60 34 15
email: kbb @podewil.de
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:10:00 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: New Instructional Video Review (and some comments)
The video review shown below was added to the Planet Tango website
yesterday. <http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/revu-1.htm>.
Inclusion of this new video brings the current total of videos listed
to 61. The explosion in the number of instructional videos for
Argentine tango over the past ten years is quite amazing, and it
parallels the growth of tango Argentino itself. On his first tango
webpage, Ernesto had descriptions of 10-16 videos. (I cannot recall
the exact number.) My first listing, which can be found somewhere in
the Tango-L archive, was of 22 videos. Now there are 61 instructional
videos listed on the Planet Tango website--many of which were produced
in the past few years.
My most appreciative thanks to Alberto Paz (aka Tango Man) for
providing space on his Planet Tango website for the video reviews.
He has worked very hard to keep the webpage up to date. He has also
kindly provided links to webpages where the videos can be purchased.
Alberto has offered me occasional advice when I needed it, but he has
been a model of integrity--not once questioning my evaluation of
videos he produced and/or distributes.
My thanks also to those of you who have offered me private comments
about the videos. If you look carefully, some of you may find your
own words in the reviews.
There are additional instructional videos in the works. Carlos and
Alicia worked with Adam Boucher (Director of Tango: The Obsession) to
produce four wonderful instructional videos that should soon be
released. Daniel Trenner is currently in Buenos Aires producing yet
another round of instructional videos with Argentine masters.
--Stephen Brown (aka Steve de Tejas)
*** Nito & Elba: Teach Argentine Tango 1999
Always spontaneous and exciting dancers, Nito and Elba are known for
the generosity and originality of their teaching. Because they have
lived in Mar del Plata, Argentina for many years, their approach to
tango has not been fully assimilated into the standard set of steps
and patterns that are commonly taught in Buenos Aires. This video
covers the outstanding material that Nito and Elba taught in their
January, February and March 1999 workshops in Dallas, San Francisco,
New York, Tuscon, Los Angeles and Santa Barbara. Re-shot in a
well-known Tango Bar in Northern California, the 35 minute video is
intended as reminder of the workshops rather than an instructional
tape. Those who were fortunate enough to attend the workshops in one
city will find the video is packed with more variations than they can
recall. Those who did not attend the workshops will have to work
harder to dig out the outstanding intermediate material included on
the video. Everyone will want to use the slow motion and rewind
buttons on their VCR. The demonstration dance at the end of the video
shows the excellence of Nito & Elba's dancing. Barbara Garvey provides
English narration for this relatively simple production. Price: $35
including s&h from Al Garvey, 281 Scenic Rd., Fairfax, CA 94930.
-fin-
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:56:46 +0200
From: Dan Wajnman <dwajn @IMAGE.DK>
Subject: Sv: TANGO-L Digest - 7 Apr 1999 to 8 Apr 1999
I will be going to Berlin next weekend and hope to shop for some =
tangoshoes. Can anybody help me with some addresses?
Thank you
Karen Wajnman
Copenhagen, Denmark
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:36:05 -0700
From: DIANE CLARK <CLARK @LDBB.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: On "asking" -Reply -Reply
Thank you for such an encouraging and positive reply. Believe me, it
really helps to hear a man's point of view.
We all man need a little encouragement from time to time. I try to
encourage beginners by dancing with them and, in fact, I am not so
impressed with all the "steps", as with a man who listens and moves to
the rhythm of the music.
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:03:45 EDT
From: Jack Karako <JKarako @AOL.COM>
Subject: Baila Tango in New York
Hi everyone,
Just a reminder we are still having the Saturday Night Milongas
*** Doors open at 9:30PM***
*** Free lesson at 8:30 PM***
at "Ballroom on Fifth" 319 5th Ave, @32nd St.
one of the nicest, biggest dance floors in New York
Visit our web site to see the additions & upcoming events we are planning
www.BailaTango.com
Feel free to forward this e-mail to friends.
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:42:22 -0400
From: Nitin Kibe <NKibe @IFC.ORG>
Subject: De Pura Cepa
Greetings, list.
Some days ago I had enquired about the identity of a particular version of this
milonga. It is apparently by Juan D'Arienzo and is available on a 2 CD set,,
Las Grandes Orquestas del TangoJuan D'Arienzo 40 Grandes Exitos, Label:
Maestros del Tango Argentino, BMT 610. I just bought it at my local Tower
Records.
Regards,
Nitin Kibe
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:52:51 -0400
From: "L: Anne-Sophie Ville" <Aville @WORLDBANK.ORG>
Subject: Matej Oresic in Washington DC.
Matej Orjesic and his partner Rena will be in Washington DC for classes=
this coming week end.
Here is the schedule of the classes.
Everything will be held at PINES OF FLORENCE 7151
Lee Highway Falls Church VA
Saturday April 10th
12.30 pm - 2.00pm Tango Technique : Power& Balance
2.00 pm - 3.30pm Milonga
Sunday April 11th
1.00 pm - 3.30pm Tango Technique : Pivots (Turns & Ochos)
4.00pm - 5.30pm Tango - Musicality
PRIVATE CLASSES AVAILABLE - FOR MORE INFO CONTACT ANNE-SOPHIE: 703-841-=
1509 -
TANGANSO @HOTMAIL.COM
April 11th - SUNDAY NIGHT
TANGO AND A DINNER milonga at
the Pines of Florence 7151 Lee Highway Falls Church VA
Free beginner class: 6.00 pm - 6.30 pm
Milonga 6.30 pm - 10.30pm
Cost: $10 voucher on food or drinks
Anne-Sophie Vill=E9, AFTH4
Room # J9-237
Tel # 202-473-4088
Fax # 202-473-8107
=
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:22:47 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Tango comes to the former Tango Desert
Dear friends on Tango-L,
This is a little long, but it's good news (for me) that's been a long time
coming, so I hope you don't mind me rambling on a little.
Tango is finally becoming a reality in the Hudson Valley.
Since "discovering" tango nearly two years ago, I've enjoyed sharing
landmark events with the List:
- Our first attendance at a New York City milonga "Tango Oasis" in December
of 1997.
- Our start of live tango instruction (after 6 months of having to rely on
video instruction) in January 1998.
- Helping to start the collection of tango lyric translations on the web,
with thanks to all of you who contributed to the works, and especially to
Alberto Paz (TangoMan) who maintains the site at Planet Tango where the
collection appears.
- Our first workshop with visiting masters (Pablo & Esther Pugliese) in
February 1998.
- Our tango week experience at the USTC in May 1988 (couldn't swing the
trip this year... bummer).
Now, there's one more happy event to share:
Until now, our neighborhood has remained a tango desert. The Hudson Valley
(extreme northern suburbs of New York City) has been an active ballroom
locale for many years, but tango has been unknown to the inhabitants.
Since our introduction (and addiction) to tango, we have attempted to
catalyze local interest and appreciation of the dance by demonstrating
whatever skill we have acquired at every opportunity. This has consisted of
exhibitions at ballroom dance clubs, dance parties and classes, and
slipping some of our tango techniques into every rhythmic opportunity that
occurred on the dance floors of the Hudson Valley.
During this gestation period, coincident with our correspondence relative
to the Lyrics Page, I have often sought and gotten advice and encouragement
from my email pen pal, Alberto.
Now that interest has grown to the level where this area is ready for a
jump start, a little serendipity seems to have had come into play: Alberto
and his partner Valorie Hart will be returning from Buenos Aires in late
May to resume their teaching tour, and our discussions led to the idea of
whether their itinerary would tolerate a foray into the Hudson Valley.
To make a long story a little less long, TangoMan and Valorie have arranged
to return to the US a day earlier than originally planned, to be with us on
the weekend of May 22nd and 23rd. They will be guest instructors at what
would customarily be ballroom workshops at two of our regular events, the
IBM Club dance on Saturday and at a Sunday evening dance party hosted by
local ballroom teachers.
Another, related, happy event to share is the launching of a new web site,
Hudson Valley Tango, thanks to my friend, Rob Clark:
http://nycdc.com/hvtango/
where you can see the workshop schedules as our first announcement of
upcoming events.
This has been a boot-strap effort until now. Finally, seeds are being
planted in fertile ground, and the Hudson Valley will soon have a place on
the Tango Map.
Tangringo
____________________
Walter M. (Tangringo) Kane
Harriman, NY
oldzeid @frontiernet.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tango Lyrics in Spanish and English at
http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/letras.htm
Por el fomento y progreso del Tango
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Visit the Hudson Valley Tango Web Site at
http://www.nycdc.com/hvtango
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:02:57 -0500
From: STEVEN LEE <tango-1 @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Nora's tango week and weekend
Hello List,
What's the specifics on Nora's tango Workshop in July in California?
Dates? Cost? Contact number?
Thanks in advance.
Steve
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