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There are 12 messages totalling 556 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Forever Tango Video & CD (3)
2. Tango in Estambul
3. 1999 World Tour of Julio Balmaceda & Corina de la Rosa
4. New Reviews of Instructional Video
5. Forever Tango Video & CDs
6. Number of Video Reviews
7. Private lessons in Seattle
8. Tango Manners
9. Re[2]: On "asking" -Reply
10. Stanford Tango Club Spring Classes
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:06:54 +0000
From: Larry Carroll <larrydla @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango Video & CD
Wow, just what I have always wanted, a video of "Forever Tango." (Now if
only
I could get one for Tango X 2!)
Oh, and in the URL for Mark & Joan's Web site they left out the tilde
(~). It
should be
http://home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango
Larry de Los Angeles
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:16:56 +0300
From: nemin <nemin @TURK.NET>
Subject: Re: Tango in Estambul
Hi Daniel and List,
You can easily find every kind information in the below two web sites about the AT activities in
Istanbul.
http://www.kuresel.com/tango.htm
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/6046/tangoin.html
Regards,
Necdet Katrancigil
Daniel Lapadula wrote:
> Hi list...does any one knows about activities in Estambul?...
> One of my students is going to be there for 3 months I meet Metin in Miami
> several month ago. Maybe somebody has his e-adrees or someone else who is
> teaching in Estambul.And also about milongas.
> Thanks in advance......Daniel Lapadula,Miami.
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:29:36 -0300
From: "Lic. Sebastian de la Rosa" <multimodal @CIUDAD.COM.AR>
Subject: 1999 World Tour of Julio Balmaceda & Corina de la Rosa
Dear List,
I have the pleasure to announce a 1999 world tour of Julio Balmaceda &
Corina
de la Rosa, Here in this passage, you can find the dates and the contacts=
of
each place where they are going,
USA
Denver Area
April 7th: Denver (workshop)
April 8th: Boulder (workshop)
April 9th: Denver (Show with performance of Tango, Milonga, and Vals)
April 10th: Denver (workshop)
April 11th: Denver (workshop)
April 14th: Denver (workshop)
April 15th: Boulder (workshop)
April 16th: Ft. Collins (workshop)
April 17th: Denver (workshop)
For more information call:
303 333 2465 Michele Benigno mexben @aol.com
303 860 9206 Andrea Wagner.
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Los Angeles Area
>From April 19th to May 12th (workshops and Performance)
For more information call: Linda Valentino (323) 650 - 0509
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UNITED KINGDOM
London
>From May 14th to May 16th (workshops and Performance)
For more information contact with : Liz Tomlin or Dorrit lizat @email.msn.=
com
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SWITZERLAND
Basel
May 20th
June 25th, 26th, 27th
For more information in Basel contact:
Cecile Sidler & Romeo Orsini tangoschulebasel @data.com.ch
+41-(0)61-981-6996
Lousane
Tangofollies Festival
Since May 21 to May 25
Contac: Marie Lorraine Boltron mlb @dmtsun2.epfl.ch
Zurich (festival & workshop)
>From July 3rd to July 11th
Contact:
Suzanne Mennel
TangoStadt Zurich
dok.Zerbini @switzerland.org>
Tel. ++41 1 240 22 01
Fax. ++41 1 240 22 02
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NEDERLAND
Groningen
May 29th and May 30th
For more information in Groningen contact:
Bettie Bolks and Marco Taal marco.taal @gironet.nl>
Amsterdan
June 5th and June 6th
For more information in Amsterdan contact:
Marijke de Vries
Tel: +31-(0)20-6751440
Fax:+31-(0)20-6732242
Haarlo
>From June 7th to June 10th
For more information in Haarlo contact:
"Erve Veldink" Eef van Leeuwen
Tel: +31-(0)545-261448
Fax:+31-(0)545-261448
Deventer
June 12th and June13th
For more information in Deventer contact:
Marco Taal marco.taal @gironet.nl
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ITALY
Torino (Turin)
>From June 15th to June 22nd
For more information in Torino contact:
Carlo or Patrizia ; Tel: +39-011-521-2113
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SPAIN
Sitges (Barcelona)
>From July 15th to July 18th
Contact:
Fernando and Pilar
+34-932-319096
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Lic. Sebasti=E1n de la Rosa
TANGO AL SUR
Francisco Beiro 3647
(1636) Olivos
Buenos Aires
Rep. Argentina
FAX: (5411) 4790 - 0576
E-mail:info @tangoalsur.com.ar
www.tangoalsur.com.ar
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:03:13 EDT
From: Dario Mendiguren <C21DARI @AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango Video & CD
Would it be to much to ask about how to get a Video of "Tango Argentino"
Thanks, and many Tangos Dario
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:44:07 -0400
From: "Walter M. Kane" <oldzeid @FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango Video & CD
>
> Wow, just what I have always wanted, a video of "Forever Tango." (Now if
> only
> I could get one for Tango X 2!)
Ditto. And for Una Noche de Tango, too.
Tangringo
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:04:54 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: New Reviews of Instructional Video
The three video reviews shown below were added to the Planet Tango
website earlier today. <http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/revu-1.htm>
My thanks to Alberto Paz for providing space on his website for the
reviews.
Coming soon: A review of a new video by Nito & Elba that was just
released by Tango Bar Productions.
--Stephen Brown (aka Steve de Tejas)
*** Esther and Pablo Pugliese: Basics of Salon Tango
The Puglieses are known for their method of teaching tango basics _
particularly turns. In this video, they cover walking, salidas, ochos,
paradas and giros (turns) in considerable detail. In teaching these
elements, the Puglieses address posture, use of the body to mark
steps, improvisation and other important skills. The video would be
most useful as a supplement to other basic instruction. The Puglieses
explain and demonstrate basic elements of tango but seem to presume
that the student will have some knowledge of how the elements fit into
the dance. Price: $40 ($50 for PAL) plus s&h from Bridge to the Tango,
P.O. Box 560127 Medford, MA 02156, (888) 382 6467, website:
<http://www.tangobridge.com/dtango7>.
*** Esther and Pablo Pugliese: Intermediate Salon Tango
In this video, the Puglieses begin where their basics video leaves
off. They teach how to integrate arrastres, boleos, ganchos and
adornments into the dance. The also show how to recombine elements of
the turn to improvise. Their instruction covers many details to refine
the movements and addresses the roles of both partners in
improvisation. Previous knowledge of the Pugliese approach to turns is
essential to getting the most out of this intermediate video. Price:
$40 ($50 for PAL) plus s&h from Bridge to the Tango, P.O. Box 560127
Medford, MA 02156, (888) 382 6467, website:
<http://www.tangobridge.com/dtango7>.
**** Esther and Pablo Pugliese: Milonga
For those with a basic knowledge of tango and an interest in learning
milonga, this video can be the place to begin. Those who master all
the material on this one-hour video should be able to dance milonga
quite well. After two demonstration dances, the Puglieses teach
rhythm, basic and complex walking elements, ochos, giros and some
adornments. They also explain and demonstrate how to improvise by
combining the elements they have taught. The instruction is clear and
thorough, the demonstrations are well executed, and the one-camera
production is quite effective in capturing what is taught. The
Puglieses assume viewers have a basic knowledge of tango. Price: $40
($50 for PAL) plus s&h from Bridge to the Tango, P.O. Box 560127
Medford, MA 02156, (888) 382 6467, website:
<http://www.tangobridge.com/dtango7>.
-fin-
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:28:07 +0000
From: Mark Celaya <mark-joan-tango @JUNO.COM>
Subject: Forever Tango Video & CDs
We were so excited to let you all know about the new "Forever Tango"
Video & CD offer that we forgot some very important info.
The Video is the original cast, opening night on Broadway, June 19, 1997.
Corrections: Our telephone number is (818) 763-1294.
Web Page Address: home.att.net/~mark-joan-tango.
Looking forward to hearing from you soon!
Con Abrazos,
Mark & Joan
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:25:13 -0500
From: Stephen P Brown <Stephen.P.Brown @DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Number of Video Reviews
Dear Alberto:
My counting indicates that the current number of videos listed is 60,
if one does not count the Bridge to the Mango version of the Osvaldo
Zotto/Mora Godoy videos as a separate video.
The number appears in two places in my introductory paragraphs as is
shown below.
Also clicking on "From Stephen Brown" brings up my old and now defunct
email address. My correct email address (this one) is found when
clicking on my name in your introduction.
See you in a few weeks.
With best regards,
Steve
The right video tape could be helpful in learning Argentine Tango. If
you are fortunate enough to live in an area with regular instruction,
video tapes can offer a different perspective. If you live in an area
that is without regular instruction, video tapes may be the only way
to learn Argentine Tango.
With help from friends and subscribers to Tango-L, I have identified
60 instructional video tapes for Argentine Tango that are readily
available for purchase in the United States. (Although I make every
attempt to keep abreast of the growing number of instructional
videos for Argentine Tango, there may be more. Please excuse any
omissions, and let me know if you discover any additional
instructional video tapes that are available.) For Tango videos,
readily available is relative. It means someone will sell the tape to
you via mail order without having previously taught you the material.
Below is my rating and a description for each of the 60 readily
available videos offering instruction in Argentine Tango. Although my
ratings have been influenced by other opinions, they are mine alone.
Unless otherwise specified, all videos are in English with VHS format
and conform to NTSC standards.
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:53:08 EDT
From: Sue Stigleman <sues @SHAMU.MTN.NCAHEC.ORG>
Subject: Private lessons in Seattle
I'll be in Seattle at the end of April. I've checked out
the tango dance scene on the Web. I'm also interested in
scheduling a private lesson, if I'm able to work that out.
(There's no tango instruction here in town, so I try to
take advantage of opportunities in other places.) If you
have any recommendations on teachers in Seattle, please
email me (sues @shamu.mtn.ncahec.org). Thanks!
--sue
Sue Stigleman, Librarian
Mountain Area Health Education Center (MAHEC)
501 Biltmore Avenue, Asheville, NC 28801-4686
(828) 257-4452 (828) 258-2099 (fax)
sues @shamu.mtn.ncahec.org
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:26:38 -0400
From: Melinda Bates <tangerauna @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Tango Manners
I have enjoyed the discussion about tango/milonga manners, who should ask
whom to dance, and how. I'm not sure there is any more clarity than before
the issue was raised, but it was useful to me. The messages that most
puzzled me came from Oscar Wright, who wrote on April 1:
You will get varying opinions on the subject and while I don't have a firm
opinion on the matter, it is important to remember that if you hurt
someone's self esteem, it is a deep and painful blow and remember how it
feels when you are hurt that way in any walk of life. There is an arrogance
and an insensitivity in American culture; one sees it in many aspects. I
guess the key is to empathize and treat people as you would want to be
treated. Be wary of arrogance and self righteousness and remember that you
yourself are not perfect and think about the last time that you were deeply
hurt by someone's insensitivity. Let these thoughts be your guide in what
you say or do - Oscar Wright
On April 2 he wrote again, this time saying that if a man wants to dance
with a woman, the hell with manners, just go for it....
So, without meaning to be too personal, my question is - aren't you wanting
it both ways? The initial message indirectly accused me of being arrogant,
self-righteous, and impatient. Of being willing to deeply wound someone's
feelings with typical American thoughtlessness.
My response to that is : Huh? Did you even read my query? I talked about
dancing with leaders who are careless with their followers, who dance
dangerously (not just badly) or even those who just dance so badly that
there is no way to enjoy it. Is it really Oscar's point that men are so
hyper sensitive that saying "no thank you" to a dance will destroy someone's
self esteem? I thought tango was a dance for grown-ups.....
My point was that Americans are so OVER sensitive that we rarely (if ever)
just say "no" to anyone about anything. The culture requires an
explanation, i.e. "I'm resting right now/ I promised this one to someone
who is coming/my feet hurt..." It's the same in dating where women almost
never just say "no". We are conditioned to "soften the blow" with some
excuse "I'm working late, my cousin is visiting....." We are taught to do
this to spare men's feelings. My question was, is this REALLY necessary?
Oscar's point in his second message was to just grab what you want,
regardless of whom it offends. This is the same person who thinks a "no
thank you" is rude and arrogant? Am I the only one who sees a disconnect?
I like to dance with all kinds of leaders, including the beginners, because
I remain so deeply grateful to the ones who danced with me when I started.
I just don't like to be grabbed or interrupted, and I refuse to be injured
by someone else's carelessness or lack of skill. I'm not a teacher, and
even if I were, I can't imagine myself correcting a leader during a dance.
We dance at his level for better or worse. As some of the other ladies
noted, this can be a real problem. There are plenty of leaders who view a
dance as a tutorial. I for one can't wait to get away from them!
In Europe last fall, my boyfriend and I went to lots of milongas. He is a
relative beginner, I've been dancing two years. Because I arrived WITH a
man, no one else would ask me to dance, in additon, they watched us dance,
at his level, and thought that was my level too. He worked hard to start
conversations with other men and then encouraged them to dance with me.
Most of the time this led to at least a few nice dances. But I don't think
I would have had the nerve to ask any of those strangers to dance. And then
we have the situation one of the other ladies described - going to a milonga
and sitting in frustration all night. That is really awful for us
followers. And it happens a lot. I ALWAYS encourage my partner to dance
with ladies who are sitting. But too many men can't or won't. Then men
want to criticize us for doing the asking? I don't think you would like it
very much if you only danced when someone else asked you..... This is not BA
of the 1940s. It's not even the US of the 1940s!
Eduardo is at least partially right. It may not be possible to bring the
cultural manners of the milongas of BA to the US. It is difficult to impose
this subtle and "foreign" way of doing things on adults who did not grow up
with it. But "manners", of courtesy, graciousness, patience, kindness are
supposed to govern our actions in other parts of life. Why not expect them
to translate into tango as well? Then men will be sensitive to women when
they ask, and women will be sensitive to men - when they accept, or decline,
or ask for themselves.
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:55:00 -0400
From: Michael Ditkoff <Michael.B.Ditkoff @USDOJ.GOV>
Subject: Re[2]: On "asking" -Reply
Message authorized by:
: CLARK @LDBB.COM_at_inetgw2 at wtgate
Hello:
I'm new to this mail list and walked in the middle of mail
exchanges. I hope I'm not going to far out on a limb. Permit
me to give a perspective from a man's point of view.
When I started dancing tango, I was absolutely in awe of men
who could execute difficult figures. Because I have a good
teacher, I'm now able to see that there's a big difference
between executing a figure and executing well a figure.
Anyway, when I saw a woman dance a parada, mordita, molineta
and figures I still don't know the name, I became intimidated
of the woman who could dance them and wouldn't think of asking
her for a dance because I thought I could never interest her
with the little I knew. I was wrong!
With experience, I now understand that if a woman is a good
follower and the man a good leader, a woman can dance figures
she doesn't know. This wasn't apparent to me months ago.
Anyway, if a woman was kind to help me when I was a poor
dancer, she's entitled to dance with me now that I'm much
better. I have my favorites also and always look for them.
However, they may be dancing when I look for them and I might
be dancing when they're looking for me.
Women have told me that when they're not dancing, they're
"checking out the men" i.e. noticing their skill level and
courtesy. Also, women talk to women and discuss their own
ratings of the men.
If a woman asks me to dance, I treat it as a compliment. A man
should never feel threatened by a woman asking him to dance.
A man also should never forget that he was once a beginner and
there were women who helped him dance better and that he
should repay the favor by accepting an invitation.
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:37:25 -0800
From: Pelayo Llamas <pelayojr @LANMINDS.COM>
Subject: Re: Stanford Tango Club Spring Classes
Spelled like a true Stanfurd man (Schedual or Schedule?) GO BEARS!
Michael Proctor wrote:
>
> Here is the Stanford Tango Clubs Spring Quarter Class Schedual
>
> NOTE changes
> in location,
> in class times,
> in organization by level, there is now an Advanced level
> and in cost
>
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