[TANGO-L] Musicality, randomized

[Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub @yahoo.com>]

Hi everybody

Thank you Ramiro, for opening such a delicious can of
worms.

I know of a dancer who defends his right to have a
musicality that is like nobody else's. This dancer's
musicality had been characterized as nonexistent or
randomized and I think the word got back to him
somehow.

Now, I am all for everybody's right to be themselves
and different from everybody else, but I thought there
was a bit of a logical flaw in this reasoning. It's
like speaking a language that nobody else speaks; good
for you, but now you can't communicate!

So while I am in principle willing to consider walking
on the 2.2 beat and taking 3/5 of a step on the 1.5
beat, and as a follower, I actually do this when led,
unless it makes some kind of musical sense at some
level, I can't say it sits well with my own musicality
which longs to go with either the beat or the melody
or even both. I'm fairly musical even though I say so
myself (at least when I lead that's what I hear), and
as DJ I know the music intimately. If it doesn't make
SENSE to me, I find it hard to get INTO it.

I thought the idea with tango was, you both get INTO
it, together, like, on the same wavelength?

In the same vein, I enjoy dancing with musicians, the
seem to do the right thing at the right time and it
feels very satisfying.

OK, now you.

Tine



--- ramiro garcia <ramiro9  @YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> -----disclaimer-----
>
> I am mostly a traditionalist when it comes to the
> music, and
> Rarely play 'Nuevo' music. Even then, I often play
> 'Nuevo' style
> from the 40s and 50s. I like to dance Nuevo, Open
> embrace, and
> close embrace.
>
> ----end disclaimer----
>
> I believe one of the elements in Nuevo music that is
> conducive
> to the longer stride is the wandering beat.
>
> Music in strict tempo "chains" you to the beat.
> Whether it's
> blatant and obvious, like D'Arienzo and Biagi, or
> more subtly,
> like DiSarli, or even Demar.
>
> It is Very Very clear when you are On the beat, and
> Off the
> beat.
>
> With Nuevo music, and a wandering beat, it is not so
> clear. You
> can miss a beat here, a beat there. You can take
> 2-beat step, a
> 1.5 beat step, a 2.2 beat step. You're not tied to
> the
> 1-1-1-2-1-2-2. Not being tied to that, other forces
> come into
> play to determine the length of your step.
>
> Perhaps one of these forces is your natural rhythm,
> your natural
> harmonic as a function of the length of your legs,
> torso, your
> mass, and your partner's.
>
> In any case, it is easier to find "your own pace"
> when the music
> does not adhere to a strict tempo, and that appears
> to be a
> longer step.
>
> ramiro
>
>
> --- Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos  @YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am trying to figure out what is it about
> alternative
> > music (such as the tango renditions of Beatles
> tunes,
> > just as one example) that encourages the longer,
> > flowing movements of Nuevo.  The melody?  More
> marcato
> > in 2?  Some other term I am clueless on?
> >
> > What I am thinking is that the music of DArienzo,
> for
> > example, really encourages the QQS vocabulary with
> the
> > smaller steps used by central B.A. dancers.  If
> tango
> > styles developed along musical lines (as well, as
> > space issues) what would then be the musical
> change
> > for Nuevo, as being developed on the West Coast.
> Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Trini de Pittsburgh
> >
> >
> >
> > PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> > Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> most popular
> > social dance.
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> >
> >
> >
> > 		
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