[TANGO-L] Cults vs Friends Re: [TANGO-L] Tango lies

[Derik Rawson <rawsonweb @YAHOO.COM>]

Dear Christopher:

I personally do not really think that Milongero Style
exists at all.  It is just a watered down, easy to do
version of tango, for export.  It is mostly marketing
BS.  What I do see in the so called milongero dancers
as a group is a certain inflexibility and dogma.  To
me they seem to me to want to preach a religion
instead of dance a dance, and like any good religion,
anyone who does not conform to their BS is damned and
sent to hell....  To me this totally against the
social nature of the dance and it is also quite
boring.  Cults must dance with their own.  There is
only room for converts, never room for friends.  My
opinion.

Derik
d.rawson  @rawsonweb.com


--- "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett  @CEVERETT.COM>
wrote:

> Sergio Vandekier wrote:
>
> > Chistopher says:
> >
> > Carlos is thought of dancing Milonguero style but
> he claims that he
> > dances
> > Salon.
>
> Just to be clear: some people think he dances
> milonguero, not everyone.
>
> > "Carlos does have a highly rhythmic style, and he
> dances in a very
> > tightly connected way, but he uses many figures
> people might regard
> > as not in the "milonguero" vocabulary: ochos with
> pivots, barridas,
> > paradas, and back sacadas to name a few.  Also, I
> think he would
> > consider apilado style limiting.  Many people
> might feel surprised
> > to see how just little space he needs, and that he
> can and will do
> > almost anything in double-time and syncopa as the
> music calls for. "
> >
> > He certainly dances Salon close embrace.
>
> Agreed, and he would say so as well.
>
> > As to dancing in Buenos Aires. If you know how to
> dance close embrace and
> > know how to navigate the floor, you should have no
> problem dancing in
> > most
> > places.
>
> That's good news.  I can't wait.
>
> > Let's assume that you dance Milonguero Style (like
> Susana Miller) and go
> > dancing to a crowded milonga were people dance
> Salon Close embrace.
>
> On further thought, my observation of Susanna Miller
> is that she
> certainly teaches a somewhat elastic embrace, where
> the contact
> point shifts as needed, and could at certain points
> go away.
>
> How else can one lead giros con sacadas as she
> teaches?
>
> Another notion she's put forth in both workshops of
> hers that I've
> attended is the idea of leading the woman around
> yourself until she
> ends up almost behind you, as in the context of a
> half-turn then
> "snapping back" rhythmically.  Interestingly, Carlos
> was the first
> teacher that ever told me such a thing could be
> done.
>
> Also, Susanna categorically stated during the St.
> Louis workshop
> that milongueros of Buenos Aires don't exclusively
> use a chest
> lead, that they do in fact use a hand lead as the
> situation (ie,
> the woman's comfort) demands.
>
> So, I'm confused.  The idea of "milonguero style"
> seems increasingly
> like a distinction without a difference to me.  One
> could certainly
> say that Susanna Miller teaches a highly distinctive
> style of salon
> tango, and be correct.
>
> All of this begs the question: what defines
> milonguero style tango?
>
> <snip to end>
>
> --
> Christopher L. Everett
>
>


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