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There are 13 messages totalling 369 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Miami congress. Thank you! (2)
2. 8 count Basic - see old postings
3. El Choclo (2)
4. Rodolfo Cieri web-page
5. Por Rodolfo y para Maria Cieri HELP
6. Tango and John Paul II - a fascinating interview
7. (no subject)
8. How to send $ to Argentina?
9. Por Rodolfo Cieri
10. Rodolfo Cieri
11. La letra de "El Choclo"
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:33:31 EDT
From: SIMONE AMARAL <keepdancing47 @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Miami congress. Thank you!
Dear List,
This short posting is just to say goodbye to the new friends I made while at
the Miami congress and I didn't have a chance to do in person. I had a great
time, and I also have to thank Lydia and Randy for the oportunity to see so
many incredible dancer in one dance floor. It's an unforgetable sight.
Adios amigos,
Simone
From Tampa, Florida
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:29:45 +0200
From: Garrit Fleischmann <truco @GMX.DE>
Subject: 8 count Basic - see old postings
Hello people from the Tango-L,
the 8 count Basic has been discussed here serveral times,
an I have compiled some of these discussions on a web page:
http://www.cyber-tango.com/art/basic.html
for an overview of discussions from the Tango-L
http://www.cyber-tango.com/e/art.html
And for everyone, who has trouble with all these american acronyms
(as I did a while ago and sometimes still do):
8CB - 8 count basic
D8CB - dreaded 8 count basic
DBS - dreaded back step
8CB w/DBS - 8 count basic with dreaded back step
LOD - line of dance (counter clock wise)
The back step (stab? ;-) ) is dreaded, because the leader may hit the foot
of a poor unsuspicious lady when steping back, against the line of dance.
Generaly it seems that americans like to abreviate their writing,
so you will often find w/ as an abreviation for with and w/o for
without (at least I allways thought that this was the meaning ;-)
Other acronyms you might like to know:
btw - by the way (good way to start an extremely lenghty discussion
about some basic tango problem)
ROTFL - roling on the floor, laughing (after an extremely bad/good joke)
RTFM - read the f*ing manual (answer to: how do I use my computer/TV/video...)
IMO - in my opinion
IMHO - in my humble opinion
pc - political correct (well, really nothing to do with politics, more with
using the right term for a minority, in order not to have a bomb in
your car the next morning after a public speech:
a man with only one leg is not handicaped but physicly challanged)
I hope this help all non american fellows in the list.
Enjoy the Tango,
Garrit (from Germany)
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Garrit Fleischmann - Frankfurt/Germany
email: kontakt @cyber-tango.com
Tango: http://www.cyber-tango.com/
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> Subject: Re: The Dreaded 8-Count Basic
> Hi list
> I am pretty much interested in this discussion, not as a teacher as
> previous
> contributors but as a dancer. My posting is to give a basic dancer
> testimony
> on the result of traditional tango instruction.
> First of all, would someone be so kind as to explain the meaning of your
> US acronyms?
> I understood that the 3 following
> 8CB/D8CB/Salida Basica
> are equivalent and I could because I was taught the "Salida" with 8 steps.
> But what are DBS and 8CB w/DBS ?
[...]
> Michel Liger
> Aix en Provence, France
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:54:52 +0200
From: Primoz Potocnik <primoz.potocnik @GUEST.ARNES.SI>
Subject: Re: El Choclo
Dario Mendiguren wrote:
> Could anybody tell me why the famous tango "El Choclo" (music from Miguel
> Angel Villoldo, words from Enrique Santos Discepolo) was named that way?
Visit "Letras de Tango" page
<http://www.hooked.net/~tangoman/elchoclo.htm> for an explanation, with
Villoldo's version and Discepolo/Marambio Caran's version of the famous
tango.
Adios, Primoz
Primoz Potocnik, Riharjeva 40, SI-1000 Ljubljana
LiberTangoFlow: http://www2.arnes.si/~ppotoc/tango
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:29:06 +0200
From: "Shawn (el Rubio)" <shawn @GOTAN.CH>
Subject: Rodolfo Cieri web-page
As many of you no-doubt have learned, the world-wide tango community has
just lost a great dancer/teacher, Rodolfo Cieri (he passed away last
weekend). Like many other, I knew him personally, as an organiser here in
Lausanne,.. and as a house-guest in their home just outside of Buenos Aires.
In honour of him I am building a web-page of pictures and videos of material
that I have to be placed on our server at www.gotan.ch.
Anyone wishing to send photos/videos/writings of Rodolfo (and Maria) to be
included on this special web-page should email them to alegria @gotan.ch
or land-mail them to us at the following address:
S.Koppenhoefer
Av. de France 29
1004 Lausanne
Switzerland.
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:14:07 EDT
From: Daniela Arcuri <DATango @AOL.COM>
Subject: Por Rodolfo y para Maria Cieri HELP
Por fabor...alguien en buenos aires, si le puede acercar estas palabras a
Maria, lo agradeceria enormemente...
Daniela Arcuri
Querida Maria:
QUERIA ACERCARTE ESTAS PALABRAS, Y DECIRTE QUE ESTAMOS JUNTO A VOS.
Mi corazon destrozado, mi alma en pena, que conmocion nunca lo hubiera
esperado...asi de esta forma...tan pronto, ...si es que lo vi hace apenas
tres meses en ZITA, compartimos juntos por primera y ultima vez el escenario
en El Complejo "La Plaza", que lindo que fue....lo conoci hace muy pocos
anos...su danza, junto a VOS... Maria, fue una sorpresa para mi ser, se
adueno de mi en un segundo, por solo verlos en un instante, quedo en mi
recuerdo, en mi inspiracion y hasta en mis pies, que lindo que bailan, que
belleza personificada en dos almas, que se funden en una, me siento muy
acongojada, con angustia pero tambien con alegria de saber que en el mundo
existio un bailarin, un artista como Rodolfo Cieri...
Estara siempre en mi sentimientos, en mi baile y en mi...
CON MUCHO CARINO.
Daniela Arcuri
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:15:11 +0200
From: Wojciech Baginski <wb159122 @ZODIAC.MIMUW.EDU.PL>
Subject: Re: Tango and John Paul II - a fascinating interview
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Jorge Navarro wrote:
> Disclaimer: This message is not intended to offend anybody. It is not intended t
> o be sarcastic. It has real Tango content, although those without any sense of h
> umor may disagree. It will be a close call if this message makes it through the
> Tango-L moderators' filters. Let's pray for the best.
>
> The following is not fiction. A documentary about the life of John Paul II is be
> ing broadcast on various religious TV networks. In it, an old Polish woman is be
> ing interviewed. She claims to have known John Paul II when he was a seminary st
> udent in Poland in the 1940's. She mentions that she danced Tango with him.
>
> After seeing this documentary, I made an effort to locate the woman and after se
> veral weeks I was able to interview her over the phone with the help of a Polish
> translator Wfistko Yedno. The following are various thoughts about Tango by the
> former dance partner of John Paul II:
...
...
... [and so on]
This message made me laugh, but it didn't offend me. It seems a joke to
me, because Wfistko Yedno (Wszystko Jedno) can't be a name. It means
"all is the same for me" or "i have no preferences" while choosing
something. :)
Alberto from Poland
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:16:54 EDT
From: Sherrie Pallotta <SherPal @AOL.COM>
Subject: (no subject)
Has anyone stayed at Ceferina Orzuza Greiner's apartment at Calle Presidente
Peron/parana between Correntes and Avenida de Mayo(1500 block)? If you have
any information regarding this space i would appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks , Sherrie in Cleveland.
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:05:24 +0100
From: white95r <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Miami congress. Thank you!
Hi everybody,
As Simone said, I also want to extend my greetings and a note of
appreciation to all of you who attended the Miami Tango Fantasy. Thank you
for making this such a wonderful and pleasant tango event. I know that Miami
Beach and the Fountainebleau hotel are quite wonderful already. The
excellent teaching staff, live music and good organization were also quite
enjoyable, but the people we met there and saw again from other events made
it the wonderful experience it was. Thank you again.
BTW, I have nothing but praise for Randy and Lydia and all their helpers for
staging such a successful tango event. I certainly will attend again and
will recommend it without reservation. I can truthfully say that it was
easily one of the most enjoyable tango events I've ever participated in.
Manuel
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:30:01 GMT
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999 @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: How to send $ to Argentina?
Can someone outline the options, or the preferred method, for sending
money to Argentina from the U.S.? Postal money order? Western Union?
(The tango content is that I want to order some tango sheet music from
a small business in Bs.As.)
Thanks,
Ricardo
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:50:23 EDT
From: Frank Sasson <FRSASSON @AOL.COM>
Subject: Por Rodolfo Cieri
Por favor alguien en Buenos Aires que le haga llegar =E9ste mensaje a Mar=
=EDa=20
Cieri.
Acongojados por el fallecimiento del Maestro Rodolfo Cieri, se unen a mi=20
muchos de los tangueros y tangueras de Miami para decirle que estamos con=20
usted en su gran dolor, y que el mundo ha perdido un artista incre=EDble.
Nuestro m=E1s sentido pesame
Frank Sasson=20
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:18:29 EDT
From: Timothy Pogros <TimmyTango @AOL.COM>
Subject: Rodolfo Cieri
I met Rodolfo and Maria Cieri at Cita "99" and always will remember his
beautiful fluid like motion. I will always remember the Cayengue that Rodolfo
and Maria performed at the Pazzarro theater. How they looked into each other
eyes and how they enjoyed being in each others arms. It was very obvious the
love that they had for each other. This cayengue was the first time that I
have seen this dance performed, and I'm glad that I saw Rodolfo and Maria
dancing it.
I've told my community many times how this couple impressed me, and that
Rodolfo and Maria were one of the main reasons I made plans to go to Nora's
Tango Week in July.
for those who never got the chance or opportunity to see this couple dance,
please make every effort to find someone with their video, or purchase their
tape from Daniel Trenners Catalog, Page 7 bottom center V305 for only $40
Rodolfo will be one tanguero I will miss.
My thoughts and prayers are yours, Maria on the passing of your husband.
I am
Tim Pogros (TimmyTango)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:22:40 -0700
From: Deborah Holm <deborah.holm @PRODIGY.NET>
Subject: El Choclo
I wish it was clear whether:
The man killed his woman's lover; or
The man killed his woman because she had a lover.
This is interesting to me because I am a woman and
I would like to know what to expect.
If I am to be killed because I am unfaithful to a man,
then I need to know that.
And, of course, I would be stricken with remorse if
"my" man killed my lover, because my lover would
be more important to me than "my" man. Right?
Please..... Explain....
Deborah
B.A. Tango
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:51:41 EDT
From: Charles Roques <Crrtango @AOL.COM>
Subject: La letra de "El Choclo"
re Dario's request for why "El Choclo" was titled thus. Supposedly Villoldo
composed it while in a restaurant so he may have named it that because he was
eating corn on the cob at the time. Titles don't have to be serious and
profound so that sounds like as good an explanation as any :-).
Cheers,
Charles
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