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Subject: TANGO-L Digest - 18 Jul 2000 to 19 Jul 2000 (#2000-197)
There are 8 messages totalling 265 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Analysis, passion and the exclusivity of tango
2. TANGO-L Digest - 17 Jul 2000 to 18 Jul 2000 (#2000-196) (2)
3. tango in napoli
4. About Tango Shoes (2)
5. "apilado" and Labor Day Weekend in Colorado (2)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:31:31 -0700
From: "Pelayo Llamas, Jr." <pelayojr @LANMINDS.COM>
Subject: Re: Analysis, passion and the exclusivity of tango
One thing Gavito taught at Tango Weekend in the San Francisco Bay Area
last week was that if you are dancing with chest pressed together, he does
not consider that as inappropriate or forward. What he believes is
disrespectful is to unintentionally or purposefully bob up and down or
side to side (rub) from that most intimate position. You have been
invited to share that space for the purpose of dancing.
This idea is yet another example of the concept of being intimate within
the Tango, without crossing over to sexual intimacy.
Tom Stermitz wrote:
> >Manuel Patino wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I will not deny that rubbing breasts can be
> > > pleasurable, but if that is all you want to do, you are denying the
> > > posibility of a more rich and varied dance.
> > >
> >
> >This notion, which seem to be getting perpetuated, may be
> >a bit misleading, I think. Close embrace, if one
> >is to dance for hours this way, I would think would have
> >to be more like a bird's nest -- cozy, warm, fully constraing
> >and yet absolutely free. Holding the partner tight is not
> >only uncomfortable(to both dancers) but may also lead
> >to a 'thank you' after the first dance.
>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:42:32 GMT
From: ASTRID SATO <astridsato @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: TANGO-L Digest - 17 Jul 2000 to 18 Jul 2000 (#2000-196)
>
>
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Dear Sang,
Didn`t you notice that Veronica speaks fluent English, too?
I don`t know about the heaviness, my shoes from Veronica, that is, Alberto
are lighter than my Flabellas, but the metal plate functions as kind of a
break, I think, because Argentinian shoes have very smooth soles, and if you
don4t want to end up skating on the dance floor, it might be a good idea to
leave them on for a while. What Veronicca probably told you, is that you can
remove the plates if you don4t want them. Why don4t you come to Canaro on
Sunday and talk to her again, and dance with us?
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:12:52 GMT
From: ASTRID SATO <astridsato @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: TANGO-L Digest - 17 Jul 2000 to 18 Jul 2000 (#2000-196)
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Dear Manuel,
I completely agree with Eugenia, I4 m getting rather tired reading all these
messages from "the same authors of a deadly serious controversy". I don4t
think, milonguero style is for sectists, and I don4t find you particularly
tolerant of other people4s styles, in spite of your repeated "it is ok to do
this, that and the other".
In Tokyo our teachers don4t even tell us what is the name of their
particular style, and since almost everybody in the tango scene here learns
from several teachers at once, it is never a subject of controversy. Dancing
in close embrace is simply for those who feel comfortable with each other
and who are able to dance that way, too. We usually start with some
distance, and may move closer gradually, unless some old fashioned Japanese
dance school owner warns his Argentinian instructors, not to get too
intimate with the students because it might lead to "misunderstandings".
Anyway, could we maybe change the subject now, please ?
I wonder how many readers have been reading their mail lately feeling a bit
bored and deciding to remain silent.
Astrid
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:16:34 -0400
From: robin thomas <ic11788 @MAIL.INFOHOUSE.COM>
Subject: tango in napoli
i'm going to be in rome and naples at the end of august. does anyone
have any experiances to share? any recomendations? robin thomas
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:48:49 +0900
From: Sang Hyeon Chang <chang @BARAM.PHYS.TOHOKU.AC.JP>
Subject: About Tango Shoes
Dear lists,
After I asked about the metal piece of tango shoes, I got several
messages. And I noticed that my vague discription caused a small
misunderstanding. When I wrote "heavy and thick", actually I was
comparing it with my ballroom shoes which are very light and thin.
They were not as heavy as usual shoes.
Those shoes were manufactured by famous Argentine tango shoes maker
Alberto.
Mr. Daniel Lapadula in Miami sent me an e-mail about
the metal piece. He wrote me that the name of that is 'cambriyon'.
Thank you..
Sang
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:18:10 -0700
From: Cammie Strange <milonguera @DELLNET.COM>
Subject: "apilado" and Labor Day Weekend in Colorado
Manuel, I hate to sound ignorant, but I am not familiar with the term
"apilado." Would you be kind enough to define it for me.
Also, I am sure that it is not Tom's intention to exclued anyone from the
Labor Day weekend event here in Colorado. I am sure any and all tango
dancers will be welcome, both by Tom and our community. Cammie.
On July 14, 2000 Manuel wrote on this subject: Analysis, passion and the
exclusivity of tango
> I've been reading with interest and participating in various threads about
> "technique and analyses vs. passion" and "exclusivity vs. welcoming people
> into tango". I also see the efforts of people such as Tom S. in Denver are
> about to take form and actualize. Looks like Denver is about to have the
> first nationwide tango exchange with it's exclusively "apilado style"
> milongas. I wish them great success!
>
> A couple of questions come to my mind and maybe this will be good time to
> ask for answers. In a previous post, Leonardo said "Tom's post focuses
more
> on the difficulties experienced by the tango community in achieving a
> balance between analysis and emotional expression." and "This gets back to
> what Tom Stermitz addressed in his post "that a tango community needs to
> have an enjoyable atmosphere. Tango communities need to be inclusive
rather
> than exclusive. If we really love tango, we should want
> to share it with as many others as possible and be patient with the
> challenges facing newcomers. There should be a friendly, welcoming
> atmosphere."
>
> I guess I'm a little unclear about the "balance between analysis and
> emotional expression" in Tom's community. I thought that the "apilado"
> method was the norm in Tom's community. For me, it is a very user friendly
> style and it requires very little in the way of analysis and a very narrow
> range of technique. I don't think an "apilado" dancer need to analyze much
> ;) Certainly, emotional expression should not be difficult while enjoying
a
> sweet and intimate embrace? Anyway, I want to know what parts of the close
> embrace are open to analyses.
>
> Also, I find it a interesting for Tom of all people to stage an
"exclusively
> close embrace" tango weekend. This seem to go against the " Tango
> communities need to be inclusive rather than exclusive. If we really love
> tango, we should want to share it with as many others as possible"......
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:08:23 -0400
From: rtara <rtara @MAINE.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: About Tango Shoes
Dear Chang and list,
I have been buying tango shoes in Buenos Aires for 8 years and have never
heard of the "famous Alberto". There are about 4 well known makers of shoes
in BsAs - Flabella (the famous Eduardo), Fattomano (Susanna now sells their
shoes) Juan Carlos and a woman named Leo. In all my shoe buying I have never
seen a metal tip on a shoe in Argentina, nor have I ever seen anyone dancing
in shoes such as these.I think someone has bought a bunch of street shoes in
BsAs and is selling them as tango shoes - Beware.
Tango shoes are traditionally heavier than ballroom shoes. They offer ore
support for long nights of dancing and in Argentina, no-one changes their
shoes at the dance hall. They wear their shoes on the street.
I have designed a new line of shoes incorporating some of the best features
of ballroom shoes (flexibility/comfort) with some best features of tango
shoes (support/styling). They are NOT made in Argentina but in Uruguay,
where I found a great factory that was willing to work with me to produce a
really HIGH quality shoe.
You can take a look at my website at:
www.22tangoshoes.com
Robin Tara
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:06:09 +0100
From: white95r <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: "apilado" and Labor Day Weekend in Colorado
Dear Cammie and fellow tango dancers.
To me these terms like "apilado", "milonguero", etc. Are only words to
describe small differences in dancing style. I don't believe that tango can
be defined and circumscribed by small concepts. I'll leave it to the experts
to properly define the words.
I'm quite sure that Tom Stermitz wants everyone to come to Denver for this
weekend and all will be welcome. I dance all styles of tango including
"apilado" and I don't meant to say that any style is better or worse than
any other. Those of you who know me and have danced with me know that I
dance the close embrace as well as other styles. I hope that no one thinks
that I oppose Tom's event. I wish him and all Coloradans a very successful
and fun event. I'm sure also that the visitors from other places will enjoy
themselves as well. I support all events that promote tango and dancing in
general. I like to take this opportunity to extend our invitation for all
tangueros to visit Atlanta and dance tango with us too.
Best wishes to all,
Manuel
Original Message -----
From: Cammie Strange <milonguera @DELLNET.COM>
To: <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:18 AM
Subject: "apilado" and Labor Day Weekend in Colorado
> Manuel, I hate to sound ignorant, but I am not familiar with the term
> "apilado." Would you be kind enough to define it for me.
>
> Also, I am sure that it is not Tom's intention to exclued anyone from the
> Labor Day weekend event here in Colorado. I am sure any and all tango
> dancers will be welcome, both by Tom and our community. Cammie.
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