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Topics of the day:
1. New pages about the Music
2. Music pages...correct URL
3. MARCH 20/21 ALEGRIA-workshop CANCELLED
4. newspaper clipping (2)
5. FW: newspaper clipping
6. Tango Event In Heidelberg (10th April)
7. Tango-Ball in Heidelberg (10ter April)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:12:18 +0000
From: Keith Elshaw <elshaw @INTERLOG.COM>
Subject: New pages about the Music
Hola;
Since I joined this list 2 years ago and a bit, the subscriber base for
TANGO-L seems to have about doubled. May I take this opportunity to
personally welcome new and newish subscribers (and send my regards to
old-timers!) and invite you all to take a look at some new pages I have
put up in response to many inquiries about Tango music and recordings.
The task for new people to Tango of finding out about the music and the
musicians can be formidable. I hope my little guides are helpful. And I
look forward to hearing from those with an in-depth knowledge who can
add to my awareness.
Unlike my other pages, the new one on the "Big 8" takes some time to
load because I've put a lot of pictures on it. Hope you like ...
For those of you who saw my piece on the history of the Bandoneon some
time ago, it has been expanded - although in truth it still isn't
completed. I'd still rather dance than sit at the computer.
Parenthetically, I've recently done some talk-radio hosting at Canada's
biggest radio station (yada, yada), CFRB. A cardinal rule of that
business is that you must have an opinion and STATE it to be effective.
I guess that's one reason I've taken the approach I have on my web site.
But I'm not trying to be Mr. know-it-all. As Bucky Fuller said, "You can
never learn less, you can only learn more!"
And now if you haven't heard it for a while, please go to your sound
system, crank it up, and play "Romance De Barrio" by Troilo / Ruiz a few
times. Followed by a few spins of the studio version of "Payadora" -
Sexteto Mayor. The world will be a beautiful place. This is my wish for
all who love Argentine Tango. That and the means to spend some time in
Buenos Aires soon.
Best,
Keith Elshaw
http://www.interlog.com/ttindex.html
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:43:02 +0000
From: Keith Elshaw <elshaw @INTERLOG.COM>
Subject: Music pages...correct URL
Of course ... I checked everything to make sure there were no mistakes.
I just didn't write my address correctly. Dunderhead.
http://www.interlog.com/~elshaw/ttindex.html.
Murphy's Law still works.
ke
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:50:52 +0100
From: el Suizo <milonguero @CHEERFUL.COM>
Subject: MARCH 20/21 ALEGRIA-workshop CANCELLED
Greetings Tangueros/Tangueras.
Because of the weekend-workshop organised by my old association TANGOFOLIE
for March20/21 we must unfortunately cancel OUR regular workshop scheduled
(for some months now) for the same weekend. Therefore the ALEGRIA
March20/21 workshop "Choreography-II" is officially CANCELLED. We hope to
see you at the Claudia & Esteben workshop and to celebrate what happened in
my living-room 5 years ago: the "official" creation of Tangofolie. :-). For
the trivial-pursuit types among you: Lausanne is actually celebrating her
8th year of regular tango-activity (3 years of tango before baptising it
with a name). For more trivial-pursuit details check out
http://www.gotan.ch/interview01.htm.
note: Unfortunately, this is not the first time a date-conflict has
occurred... despite this, ALEGRIA will *continue* with her planned
workshops listed at http:www.gotan.ch. Plan your calendar! Our next
workshop is as follows:
Nancy and Damien (of Buenos Aires):
DATE: April 17/18 (3rd weekend of the month)
WHERE: Lausanne - Centre.Chilean (Av.Jean-Jacques Mercier 6)
WHEN:
beginners: Saturday 17 April 12-13h30 (A1) "basics"
Sunday 18 April 12-13h30 (A2) "turns"
advanced: Saturday 17 April 13h45-15h15 (B1) "turns"
Sunday 18 April 13h45-15h15 (B2) "barridas & entradas +
other games with legs"
figures-class: Saturday 17 April 15h30-17h (F1) "Pugliese"
figures-class: Sunday 18 April 15h30-17h (F2) Piazzolla"
=46IESTA: Saturday 17 April 21.00-24.00
Other upcoming dates for the region:
12.03.99 Bern/CH Noche de primavera in der Villa Bernau Bern
13.03.99 Montreux/CH soir=E9e danse (d=E9monstrations Argentine-Tango) en
bas du NED Infos: 079.6376454
20-21.03.99 Lausanne/CH Choreographie-II Workshop (Alegria) CANCELLED!
20-21.03.99 Lausanne/CH Claudia et Esteban (Tangofoiles)
26.03.99 Vevey/CH Soir=E9e Tango Argentino: Vertigo Latino (org. Ecole
Latino Passion) rue Torrent 4
* 17-18.04.99 Lausanne/CH Stage avec NANCY et DAMIEN (BsAs) organis=E9 par
Alegr=EDa, Infos: 079/6376454 SOIR=E9E le 17!
1-4.04.99 Basel/CH Workshops with Gustavo (Bal-le Samedi)
10-12.04.99 Zurich/CH Gustavo Workshops (soir=E9e le Samedi)
24.04.99 Bern/CH April Konzert und Ball mit dem Cuarteto Guardia Vieja
feat. Monica Rodriguez (Gesang) Showtanz mit Nancy Louzan und Dami=E1n
Esell, Buenos Aires Grosser Saal der Brauereiwirtschaft Wabern Dorfstrasse
24, Wabern bei Bern T=FCr=F6ffnung: 20.30 Uhr Konzertbeginn: 21.00 Uhr Eintr=
itt:
30.-/25.- Fr. Reservation und Auskunft: 031 / 398 23 07 oder e-mail
* 8-9.05.99 Lausanne/CH Stage avec Betty & Steven (Nigmegen) organis=E9 pa=
r
Alegr=EDa, Infos: 079/6376454
08.05.99 Zurich/CH BALL avec Juan Jos=E9 Mosalini y su Gran Orquesta de
Tango (infos: A Media Luz)
21-24/05/99 Lausanne/CH Tangofilies festival, Tangofolie
14.05.99 Baden/CH TangoBallNacht in der Halle 36, Baden. Konzert und
Ball mit Sexteto Canyengue.20.30 Uhr - 03.00 Uhr. Info: Lavable
(Heinz/Petra): 056 667 11 46 oder petra.starmans @spectraweb.ch.
* 12-13/06/99 Lausanne/CH Claudia et Cacho (BsAs) organis=E9 par Alegr=EDa,
Infos: 079/6376454
02-11/07/99 Zurich/CH "Swiss TangoFestival'99" (5 orchestras?!!)
* 14-19.09.99 Lausanne/CH Stage avec LEANDRO et ANDREA (BsAs) organis=E9 pa=
r
Alegr=EDa, Infos: 079/6376454
09-17.10.99 Bern/CH Tango Woche Bern 1999
15.10.99 Bern/CH Noche de otono in der Villa Bernau, bern
* 30/31.10.99 Lausanne/CH Eric Jorisson "El Corte" , organis=E9 par
Alegr=EDa, Infos: 079 / 637 64 54
06.11.99 Bern/CH Noche de verano in der Villa Bernau
10.12.99 Bern/CH Noche de otono in der Billa Bernau
Note: To become part of our regional mailing-list (tango-news for the
region of Lausanne subscribe to AlegriaInfo by sending a subscribe message
to alegria @gotan.ch.
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Association ALEGRIA - tango argentino
Isabelle y Shawn de Lausanne/Suiza
Avenue de France 29, 1004 Lausanne
tel. +4121 6252935 - fax. +4179 06376454
mailto:alegria @gotan.ch,
http://www.gotan.ch/
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:57:00 -0500
From: Chan Park <Chan.K.Park.1 @GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject: Re: newspaper clipping
I understand that THE publicity is important. Yet, does negative publicity=
count as well?
I did get hooked on Tango, a dance of passion. As Kathleen mentioned (Thank=
you, Kathleen), my partner, Eugenia, and I work hard to promote Argentine=
Tango in our area. Our intention is to share our feelings of dancing tango=
with others including dancers and non-dancers. =20
Was tango being conveyed as a dance of passion by the Prince Charles? I=
doubt it. Did Clinton dancing tango in the White House made us to feel=
like tangoing more? Well, you will figure that out.
Joe Petrisko, one of my tango teachers in our area, made a comment on tango=
last Friday after his milonga. He said, "My tango starts here -- here at=
my heart." If WE, dancers not politician, intend to promote tango, I=
think WE need to show that WE dance tango with our heart, not for fame or e=
lse.
Good luck for the movie "Tango" at the Oscars.
Chan Park
Baltimore-Washing Tango
>In response to comments from "tangazos" to Chan Park:
>
>I don't believe Chan ever said, or even suggested, that he wanted to keep
>tango all to himself. (Quite the opposite, actually. Chan works tirelessly
>to promote Argentine tango in the Washington, DC/Baltimore area.) My take
>on what Chan said is that he doesn't feel elevated in any way by seeing
>Argentine tango "demonstrated" by high-profile dilettantes. Exposure is
>great, promoting misconceptions isn't. At least Clinton didn't put a rose
>between his teeth.
>
>Kathleen Bober
>Tucson, AZ
>
>****************************************
>
>Chan K. Park wrote:
>>As far as I am concerned, Clinton dancing in the White House does not make
>me feel proud. Tango music >in the VW commercial does not confirm that I
>am
>doing the right thing. The scene of Charles >supposedly dancing tango does
>not lift me to feel Royal. In my opinion, they have nothing to do with the
>>Tango I am dancing. I rather care about dancers, whom I regularly see and
>share our feelings with in >local milongas. Besides, I like the fact=20
>that Tango is a street dance, free from formality and >superficiality, yet
>touching deep down in my soul.
>
>
>But Chan:
>think of the publicity.....Tango in the White House, the Royal Palace, in
>a
>VW Passat (which airs every...who knows how many minutes?). What more can
>we ask for in our Tango communities? With this kind of exposure, we *can*
>dance in the streets...and teach what is in our souls. This year "TANGO"
>was nominated for Grammys and Oscars.....do you want to keep it all for
>yourself?
>
>I DON'T THINK SO!
>
>tangazos
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:20:27 -0500
From: Fernandez Eduardo <efernandez @IUCNUS.ORG>
Subject: FW: newspaper clipping
List
Sorry. I don't understand this discussion...what is wrong with dancing in
The White House? Music was good, show was done by recognized professionals
(Raul Jaurena, Quintango, Pablo Veron and Victoria Vieyra) dancers were the
average in USA....I go to milongas every week and I tell you Hilary can do
it better than many of our milongueras in DC (got it?)
Them, what was wrong that Charles danced in Buenos Aires? People there love
it!!!
From your comments we can see that you are new in this thing of tango. You
are not Argentinean, nor rise in tango. Even though you are very welcome to
dance tango, you can develop your own philosophy on what is tango. But don't
patronize us!!!!
We, the Argentineans, used to say, "la vida es una milonga" (life is a
milonga), well, it seems that life is "many milongas". If you don't like our
milonga...organize yours, but let's us enjoy what we do.
More "Tolerance". Si?
Eduardo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chan Park [SMTP:Chan.K.Park.1 @GSFC.NASA.GOV]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:57 AM
> To: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: newspaper clipping
>
> I understand that THE publicity is important. Yet, does negative
> publicity count as well?
>
> I did get hooked on Tango, a dance of passion. As Kathleen mentioned
> (Thank you, Kathleen), my partner, Eugenia, and I work hard to promote
> Argentine Tango in our area. Our intention is to share our feelings of
> dancing tango with others including dancers and non-dancers.
>
> Was tango being conveyed as a dance of passion by the Prince Charles? I
> doubt it. Did Clinton dancing tango in the White House made us to feel
> like tangoing more? Well, you will figure that out.
>
> Joe Petrisko, one of my tango teachers in our area, made a comment on
> tango last Friday after his milonga. He said, "My tango starts here --
> here at my heart." If WE, dancers not politician, intend to promote
> tango, I think WE need to show that WE dance tango with our heart, not for
> fame or else.
>
> Good luck for the movie "Tango" at the Oscars.
>
> Chan Park
> Baltimore-Washing Tango
>
> >In response to comments from "tangazos" to Chan Park:
> >
> >I don't believe Chan ever said, or even suggested, that he wanted to keep
> >tango all to himself. (Quite the opposite, actually. Chan works
> tirelessly
> >to promote Argentine tango in the Washington, DC/Baltimore area.) My take
> >on what Chan said is that he doesn't feel elevated in any way by seeing
> >Argentine tango "demonstrated" by high-profile dilettantes. Exposure is
> >great, promoting misconceptions isn't. At least Clinton didn't put a rose
> >between his teeth.
> >
> >Kathleen Bober
> >Tucson, AZ
> >
> >****************************************
> >
> >Chan K. Park wrote:
> >>As far as I am concerned, Clinton dancing in the White House does not
> make
> >me feel proud. Tango music >in the VW commercial does not confirm that I
> >am
> >doing the right thing. The scene of Charles >supposedly dancing tango
> does
> >not lift me to feel Royal. In my opinion, they have nothing to do with
> the
> >>Tango I am dancing. I rather care about dancers, whom I regularly see
> and
> >share our feelings with in >local milongas. Besides, I like the fact
> >that Tango is a street dance, free from formality and >superficiality,
> yet
> >touching deep down in my soul.
> >
> >
> >But Chan:
> >think of the publicity.....Tango in the White House, the Royal Palace,
> in
> >a
> >VW Passat (which airs every...who knows how many minutes?). What more
> can
> >we ask for in our Tango communities? With this kind of exposure, we
> *can*
> >dance in the streets...and teach what is in our souls. This year "TANGO"
> >was nominated for Grammys and Oscars.....do you want to keep it all for
> >yourself?
> >
> >I DON'T THINK SO!
> >
> >tangazos
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:24:00 +0100
From: Jochen Herdel <jochen.herdel @HD.RHEIN-NECKAR.DE>
Subject: Tango Event In Heidelberg (10th April)
Dear listmembers,
just in case anyone of you should be in Europe / Germany / Heidelberg in
April, be sure not to miss the big event:
Tango Ball in the King's Hall on Heidelberg Castle ("Schloss")
April, 10th, 8.00 p.m.
Music by Sexteto Canyengue
Dance show by Ricardo y Nicole
infos at http://www.condetango.de (subject "specials")
The ball is held by Juergen and Andrea Graf, who came from Berlin one year
ago and settled down with their new tango school ("CondeTango") right in
the center of old Heidelberg. They dance a marvelous, beautiful, and very
elegant Tango style and are brilliant teachers. Since they opened, Tango
scene in HD has started to get bigger and bigger and attracts many people
from everywhere around.
The April ball will surely be a highlight of German Tango events in 1999!
For Sexteto Canyengue, who are very well known worldwide, please refer to
http://www.login.net/tango/sexteto.htm
If you're interested in informations on Ricardo y Nicole,have a look at:
http://www.ricardonicole.com
And, just in case anyone doesn't know where / what Heidelberg is: :-))
Heidelberg is located in the South Western part of Germany, close to
France (Alsace). HD is the home town of Germany's oldest univerity. It is
a very beautiful city - many people say, it's the most romantic town
worldwide. Besides Tango, it's for sure worth a vistit!
HD is located at the opening of the Neckar river towards the Rhine valley
and has a nice mild and warm climate. Above the old city reside the very
romantic ruins of Heidelberg castle, the location where the ball will take
place. You can't imagine a finer place for dancing T.A.!
If you're interested in Heidelberg, the Schloss or any other details go to:
http://www.heidelberg.de
http://www.heidelberg.de/verkehrsverein/bilder/schloss.gif
http://www.heidelberg.de/verkehrsverein/english/hdw3_1.html
Of course you can contact me as well:
mailto:j.herdel @hd.rhein-neckar.de
http://www.rhein-neckar.de/~hd
Hope to meet you on the "Heidelberger Schloss" in April! :-))
Jochen
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:26:00 +0100
From: Jochen Herdel <jochen.herdel @HD.RHEIN-NECKAR.DE>
Subject: Tango-Ball in Heidelberg (10ter April)
Liebe Tangofreunde
demnaechst steigt in Heidelberg ein grosses Tango-Ereignis, auf das ich
Euch hiermit hinweisen moechte:
Tango Ball im Koenigssaal des Heidelberger Schlosses
10. April, 20.00
Music von Sexteto Canyengue
Tanz-Show von Ricardo y Nicole
Der Ball wird veranstaltet von Juergen und Andrea Graf, die vor einem Jahr
aus Berlin nach Heidelberg kamen und hier ihre Tangoschule (CondeTango) im
Herzen der Altstadt eroeffnet haben. Die beiden tanzen wunderschoenen und
einfuehlsamen eleganten Tango und sind hervorragende Lehrer. Seit sie das
CondeTango eroeffnet haben, ist die Tango-Szene in Heidelberg aufgeblueht
und zieht inzwischen regelmaessig viele Leute aus dem weiten Umkreis an.
Der Ball wird ein Highlight unter den deutschen Tango-Events 1999 sein!
Infos bei http://www.condetango.de (unter "specials")
Zum Sexteto Canyengue, dem weltberuehmten Tango-Orchester, siehe:
http://www.login.net/tango/sexteto.htm
Informationen zu Ricardo y Nicole gibt es auf deren Homepage:
http://www.ricardonicole.com
Heidelberg-Informationen findet Ihr unter:
http://www.heidelberg.de
Und auch ich freue mich ueber Eure Kontakte:
mailto:j.herdel @hd.rhein-neckar.de
http://www.rhein-neckar.de/~hd
Vielleicht sehen wir uns ja auf dem Heidelberger Schloss im April! :-))
Jochen
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:41:52 -0500
From: jpacher <jpmoon @ICDC.COM>
Subject: Re: newspaper clipping
Chan:
I completely understand what you are saying and I do believe that Tango is a
dance of passion. But, lighten up a little! I am also very serious about
AT and I am active in our community. But you have to remember that these
were planned events and even though Bill Clinton and Prince Charles do not
know a hoot about how to dance it, they attempted to make the most of the
moment. I have to give them credit for that and if the media made it a
spectacle (or a spoof), then so be it. It was all in fun and the nation
got a kick out of it. I have visited my local Blockbuster to rent the Tango
Lesson for the past 3 weeks and it is always out. Perhaps, those who are
renting it saw the news clips and some of them will become our future
students.
I respect your ideas about the Argentine Tango. I live the passion as well.
I am not trying to make light of what you believe the dance is or should be,
but it does belong to all of us in our own way. I was not the least bit
offended by the media coverage. And, I am truly happy to have the air
time....to me it is in no way *negative* publicity. On the contrary, Tango
awareness is growing and maybe someday we will be able to rent the movie
Tango in our local video store. At the very least, we will always have
Tango in our hearts, where it should be.
You wrote:
>I understand that THE publicity is important. Yet, does negative
publicity count as well?
>
>I did get hooked on Tango, a dance of passion. As Kathleen mentioned
(Thank you, Kathleen), my partner, Eugenia, and I work hard to promote
Argentine Tango in our area. Our intention is to share our feelings of
dancing tango with others including dancers and non-dancers.
>
>Was tango being conveyed as a dance of passion by the Prince Charles? I
doubt it. Did Clinton dancing tango in the White House made us to feel like
tangoing more? Well, you will figure that out.
>
>Joe Petrisko, one of my tango teachers in our area, made a comment on tango
last Friday after his milonga. He said, "My tango starts here -- here at my
heart." If WE, dancers not politician, intend to promote tango, I think WE
need to show that WE dance tango with our heart, not for fame or else.
>
>Good luck for the movie "Tango" at the Oscars.
>
>Chan Park
>Baltimore-Washing Tango
>
>>In response to comments from "tangazos" to Chan Park:
>>
>>I don't believe Chan ever said, or even suggested, that he wanted to keep
>>tango all to himself. (Quite the opposite, actually. Chan works tirelessly
>>to promote Argentine tango in the Washington, DC/Baltimore area.) My take
>>on what Chan said is that he doesn't feel elevated in any way by seeing
>>Argentine tango "demonstrated" by high-profile dilettantes. Exposure is
>>great, promoting misconceptions isn't. At least Clinton didn't put a rose
>>between his teeth.
>>
>>Kathleen Bober
>>Tucson, AZ
>>
>>****************************************
>>
>>Chan K. Park wrote:
>>>As far as I am concerned, Clinton dancing in the White House does not
make
>>me feel proud. Tango music >in the VW commercial does not confirm that I
>>am
>>doing the right thing. The scene of Charles >supposedly dancing tango
does
>>not lift me to feel Royal. In my opinion, they have nothing to do with
the
>>>Tango I am dancing. I rather care about dancers, whom I regularly see
and
>>share our feelings with in >local milongas. Besides, I like the fact
>>that Tango is a street dance, free from formality and >superficiality, yet
>>touching deep down in my soul.
>>
>>
>>But Chan:
>>think of the publicity.....Tango in the White House, the Royal Palace, in
>>a
>>VW Passat (which airs every...who knows how many minutes?). What more can
>>we ask for in our Tango communities? With this kind of exposure, we
*can*
>>dance in the streets...and teach what is in our souls. This year "TANGO"
>>was nominated for Grammys and Oscars.....do you want to keep it all for
>>yourself?
>>
>>I DON'T THINK SO!
>>
>>tangazos
>
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