Tango-L mailing list archive: Digest 15 Mar 1999 to 16 Mar 1999

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Digest from 15 Mar 1999 to 16 Mar 1999

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There are 7 messages totalling 332 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. SV: Hotel Victoria 2. Thanks, Daniel & Laura! 3. Tango nights at United States 4. Question for Followers (2) 5. Email access from Buenos Aires 6. Fresno

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:00:00 +0100 From: Pino Dangiola <pino.dangiola @SWIPNET.SE> Subject: SV: Hotel Victoria Hello, Robin,, Me and my brother stayed for 20 nights at this inexpensive hotel. 12 = dollars per person. But it ended up in being an expensive stay. Personal belongings worth = 5000 dollars and our passports were stolen the day before we were leaving. It required a lot of work and = luck to be able to leave the next morning at 11.00.=20 The worst thing is that it seems like it could be hotel staff that = comited the crime. The door had no sign of violence and the timing with our departure. But if you dont bring any valuble things and leave our passports in the = reception you will probably be fine. The best thing is that it is always a lot of tangopeople living there = which know whats going on in the tangoscene. They are nice and friendly = people running the hotel and they sit guard during the night, but the doors and the rest dont give a lot of security. The neigbourhood is = not the best. Have a nice time in BA. I will for sure go back as soon as I am free = from tangolessons. Best wishes, Pino Dangiola CLUB TANGO SWEDEN =20

Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: robin tara <rtara @maine.rr.com> Till: TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU <TANGO-L @MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Datum: den 12 mars 1999 23:54 =C4mne: Hotel Victoria >Many folks have suggested that I stay at the hotel Victoria on my next >trip to BsAs. I did, however, hear from one person who warned that it >wasn't safe. I'd be interested in hearing from people who have stayed >there or at any other inexpensive, centrally located hotel. > >Thanks, Robin >

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:57:20 -0600 From: "Frank G. Williams" <frank @INDY.BSBE.UMN.EDU> Subject: Thanks, Daniel & Laura! Hi Friends, It has been such a pleasure to host Daniel Lapadula and Laura Brondo (from the Miami area) for workshops here in Minnesota. We had an enthusiastic response to their classes, and their improvisational performances at our milonga were just delightful. We all have a deep "tango glow" this morning. I heartily recommend Daniel and Laura as teachers. Each is insightful, analytical as needed, creative and inspiring. I personally enjoyed seeing how their personalities complimented each other in workshops: Daniel with a magnanimous personality that keeps student's amused and attentive, Laura being a little more quiet but always keeping Daniel honest with her own reparte'. ;-) ...and very little of it was superfluous - it was done to focus attention on the important points in the lessons. This couple is pleasure to know and we look forward to their next visit. Again, thanks Daniel and Laura! Frank in Minneapolis _______________________________________________________________ Frank G. Williams, Ph.D. University of Minnesota frank @indy.bsbe.umn.edu Dept. of Neuroscience frank @biosci.cbs.umn.edu 4-103 Owre Hall (612) 625-6441 (office) 321 Church Street SE (612) 624-4436 (lab) Minneapolis, MN 55455

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:50:16 PST From: Eva Varon <e_varon_m @HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Tango nights at United States I wish to know the milonga nights in Newyork and Pittsburgh between the dates 25 March- 10 April The places, adresses, phone numbers, admittance fees, hours, etc... Thanks :) Eva Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:32:09 -0800 From: ramiro garcia <ramiro9 @YAHOO.COM> Subject: Re: Question for Followers ---Kate Withey <withey @SFO.COM> wrote: > > Regarding a woman's choice between dancing with the music, following a > leader who isn't, or trying to make him feel the rhythm he isn't getting, > ... Ramiro ... says: > > >>You must choose -- dance with the music "by yourself," or block out > >>the music and dance with your partner. An awkward dilemma, and I > >>can't blame a woman who chooses the music. Yet, I think choosing > >>to dance with your partner is closer to "tango." > > ... Pepito... says: > > > But it is the art of the follower to make her sense of rhythm felt, > > giving the finishing touch to the process, and/or taking over "the > > rhythm section" when she feels the leader is in doubt. Dancing with > > ladies who can do this is for me THE complete dance experience, > > particularly when I have difficulties following the beat of a given > > orchestra and she can give me the key to understand it! A sublime > > communication experience! Pepito has artfully presented a third option here--instead of an exclusive choice betwen following the music or your partner's lead. She can "make her sense of rhythm felt" "and/or take over 'the rhythm section'". I think he is right, and this is "the solution." Unfortunately, I think this solution is beyond the reach of most people. For this to work, there has to be very subtle communication between the two. A partial transfer of the lead from the man to the woman must take place. How often do men stop a woman with a corte and a parada, then yank her over the extended foot, without giving her time to settle and the opportunity for her adornos? Two considerations: 1) Would the leader be sensitive enough to realize when the woman *Was* in rhythm and was requesting control of the lead's tempo? Beginners, probably not; experienced, maybe yes. 2) Would his ego then allow her better sense of rhythm to take control? According to Kate, she has better luck here with beginners. Correcting the leader's rhythm is a nontrivial, extremely demanding thing to do. It is a task of great subtlety and dexterity, when at all possible. I think it's an awful lot to ask of even a very experienced follower, never mind the average or beginning tango student. Yes, the follower can hijack the lead. If done very carefully, she can change the leader's behavior without his even realizing it. But even when successful, we are getting pretty far from the settled frame of mind that follows so elegantly and allows "Tango Heaven" to take place, and getting into a much more Machiavellian, manipulative style of thinking and being. And that's a very foreign state of being to the ladies. Ahem. > ....Too often... men do not dance in relation > to the music at all...concentrating on the patterns they want to > do, rather than just connecting to the music or their partner. When > dancing with such a lead, the follower really does feel this awful > choice: do I dance *with him* (which feels more like connection & > dancing, if not tango), or do I try to enforce some connection to the > music? The latter usually simply results in fighting with him, I think Kate has described exactly what will happen most of the time when the follower tries to bring her sense of rhythm to the fore, contrary to the leader's. > because > his perception isn't that I'm trying to let him hear the music through > me, but that I'm not following what -- or rather, exactly *when* -- > he's leading. Going through his head is: "What's wrong with this lady? Boy, what a lousy sense of rhythm. She sure can't dance." And afterwards, he graciously reassures her, "Don't worry. You'll get the hang of it. Just keep practicing, and you'll get to be as good as I am." Tango Heaven? Tango Purgatory. Or marriage, even. > ...I'm not a beginner, & I'm not talking about > men who are beginners, either. (With beginners, in fact, this is more > likely to work, because they often *are* aware that they don't know how > to relate to the music, or are too busy thinking about the steps, so > they do appreciate the help.) Sigh. So those who know little, are "more likely..[to]...appreciate the help." Those who "know a lot," you can't tell them anything. "And still they gazed, and still the wonder grew, That one small head, could carry all he knew." Here on the dance floor, in miniature, the secrets to a happy marriage and successful relationships are revealed for all. ramiro garram @wellsfargo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:10:09 PST From: Pepito La Chofa <badchioce @HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: Question for Followers Kate wrote: >Too often, the fact is that men do not dance in relation to the music >at all. Perhaps a definition of 'dance' would be in order here, and more specifically of traditional folk dances like AT. Some time ago, Tete wrote: > "Because tango is and always will be music; and learning how to > walk it, to listen to it, to feel it...because it becomes a part of > you that you cannot detach. > Dance the music. Because the music is the tango." Walter wrote: >My sympathies, Kate. >Absent a connection to the music, the connection to your partner, >and the unity of movement, would be just as good in a sack race as in >tango. I'm affraid he has a point there. Some time ago, Jan Dirk wrote: >I have [seen people who dance whithout any music at all]. The >Brussels-based Argentine couple Sergio Molini & Gisela >Graef-Marino have performed an a number of occasions a 'silent tango' >with more music in it than the last dance I saw Tete make (oct 30 >1998). Yes, and I've seen a man dance with two brooms in a skirt. And it was beautiful (Pocho Pizzarro's show). Kate wrote: >Now, it could be that I'm simply not skilled &/or subtle >enough to do this well, but I'm not a beginner, & I'm not talking >about men who are beginners, either. Soemtime ago, Susana Miller wrote: >Those who won't change their idea that the quantity of steps >constitutes the quality of the dance will always be beginners with >new steps, and they will never understand why the social dancer wants >to die on the dance floor. Kate, you can develope a sense of rhytm with a simple excercise: on the music of the Golden Epoch (Epoca de Oro) by D'Arienzo, di Sarli or Biaggi, walk randomly on a single and double tempo. Just walk, with short steps, aiming at connecting you auditive percetion to your feet. Keep in mind that there was tango dancing before there were any figures, and yet people had a lot of fun! If you do this excercise regularly, and try to invest at least as much time in it as you do in learning and practicing figures, sooner that you expect you will have developed that sense of rhytm you attribute (nearly) exclusively to Argentines and musicians. From there to being able to offer a man your sense of rhytm, there only is a small step (sic!). Pepito la Chofa Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:27:51 -0800 From: Sramana Mitra <sramana @IX.NETCOM.COM> Subject: Email access from Buenos Aires Hello friends, I will most probably be spending 4-6 weeks in Buenos Aires, starting next week. Could someone pls advise me on internet access from Bs As? Specifically, I'd like to be able to download email from my netcom server, through some kind of an Argentine ISP. Any recommendation? I would very much appreciate any feedback! Sramana

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:53:40 -0800 From: Phil Seyer <Phil_Seyer @ILOVEMUSIC.COM> Subject: Fresno Anyone know of Argentine tango dancer teachers in Fresno, California?

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