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Digest from 7 Mar 1999
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There are 16 messages totalling 595 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Help
2. ARGENTINE TANGO WORKSHOPS IN CHICAGO IN MARCH
3. Tango in Phoenix?
4. (no subject)
5. Contacts for Cinncinati & Brighton, England
6. Gabriela & Diego in Sacramento California
7. Tango in Honolulu
8. FEEDBACK, PLEASE
9. RV: Crime in Buenos Aires
10. festival Argentino
11. Tango in Kzoo?
12. TANGO-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999
13. Tango Resources for the San Francisco/Silicon Valley/Bay Area (CA)
14. Tango in Oslo
15. tango teachers
16. Message for San Francisco Bay Area Tangueros & visiting tangueros
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:17:34 -0500
From: Mike Smith <starcom @EROLS.COM>
Subject: Help
Please list Tango activities in:
Paris - April 19th to 25th
Amsterdam - April 25th to 30th
London - April 30th to May 5th
Thanks
--
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:16:21 EST
From: Don Lavin <Dlpens @AOL.COM>
Subject: ARGENTINE TANGO WORKSHOPS IN CHICAGO IN MARCH
Robert Dronski and Kathleen Kreher, owners of Tango Nada Mas have asked me to
place the following notice on TANGO-L to announce upcoming workshops. Last
fall we were all shocked and delighted to witness the outstanding dancing of
Leandro Palou and Andrea Misse, two very young, but oh so poised and mature
Argentine Tango dancers from B.A. Anyone who read the reviews of Leandro
and Andrea in the past on Tango -L, know that they are very well respected
and sought after in the Tango community.
Leandro and Andrea are returning to Chicago for not one but TWO weekends of
workshops. If you ever considered taking Argentine Tango workshop NOW IS THE
TIME. You will not be disappointed.
Here is their schedule:
Friday, March 19 8-10:00 p.m.
Ochos and boleos (different kinds of ochos, how to lead them, technique for
boleos, how to lead and recognize them)
Saturday, March 20 1-3:00 p.m.
Turns (different kind of turns, how to carry the man, how to be carried, how
to lead them, how to understand them)
Friday, March 26 8-10:00 p.m.
Milonga
Saturday March 27 1-3 p.m.
Fantasia and musicality (taking moves impressive enough for the stage, and
giving them maximun musical impact)
Sunday March 28 1-3 p.m.
Embellishments for both men and women
Sunday March 28 4-6 p.m.
Vals Cruzada (back by popular demand)
COST:
1-2 workshops $35/class/person
3-4 workshops $30/class/person
5-6 workshops $25/class/person
ALL CLASSES ARE TO BE HELD AT: TANGO NADA MAS
6137 N. NORTHWEST
HIGHWAY
CHICAGO, IL 60631
FOR FURTHER INFO CALL: (773) 792-2099 or
EMAIL: bob @tangonadamas.com
Privates are also available. Don't miss this wonderful opportunity to learn
tango from two such wonderful dancers. And for those who are concerned their
command of the English language is also outstanding so their classes do not
have a language problem or a translator. Hope to see you there. Don Lavin
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:11:42 -0700
From: Kathleen Bober <kbober @FLASH.NET>
Subject: Tango in Phoenix?
I'm interested in knowing what regular milongas and classes are offered in
Phoenix, imparticularly the weekend of March 13 - 14.
Thanks in advance!
Kathleen Bober
Tucson
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:53:46 EST
From: "Donna Sotiropoulos To Listserv @Mitvma.Bitnet" <VERGAD @AOL.COM>
Subject: (no subject)
HI.
Are there any events in Paris on the 5th of April or after .
We will be there for a week to Tango.
Any places to syey close by?
Adios
Donna Sptiropoulos
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:19:27 -0700
From: Naomi Bennett <naomiben @SWBELL.NET>
Subject: Contacts for Cinncinati & Brighton, England
Robert Bennett is traveling to Brighton on Wednesday March 10th and
Saturday on March 13th. He will be in Cinncinati on Thursday, March 11th.
Is there anyone in Brighton interested in going to London for a milonga on
the 10th or 13th?
In Cinncinati, I'm interested in going to a dance lesson or milonga on
Thurdsay the 11th. I'll be staying downtown in a hotel without a car.
Please try to email back by March 9th before I leave on my trip.
Robert Bennett
Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:14:12 GMT
From: Ed Loomis <edl @WCO.COM>
Subject: Gabriela & Diego in Sacramento California
Gabriela & Diego Ladavese will be returning to northern California
from Rosario Argentina on March 20th and will be teaching in the
Lafayette/Walnut Creek area as well as other locations in the San
=46rancisco Bay Area. Their elegant style is derived from maestro
Orlando Paiva, and they have produced two very nice instructional
videos.=20
On Sunday, March 28th, Sacramento Tango will present a
workshop/master class with Gabriela & Diego at the Young Ladies
Institute clubhouse, 1400 27th Street (at N Street) from 1 to 4 p.m.
The cost will be $30 for advanced registration, and $35 at the door.
Contact Ed at edl @wco.com for further information.=20
Happy Tangos,
Ed Loomis
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 03:51:51 -0500
From: Ron Fitch <RFitch @COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Tango in Honolulu
Re the recent response to Argentine Tango here in Honolulu.
(Sigh) Sorry to announce that Field's Dining and Dancing is no more.
Of the suggested contacts for the moment I recommend as the best bet fo=
r
current information as
Puerta al Tango (Aiea) =
Rosa & Alberto Archilla mailto:alapaki @aol.com =
2885-C Makuu LP, Aiea, HI 96701
Phone. 808 484 0664
There is a place called Vitual Experience or somethingvery similar on
Lewers St. in Waikiki. I believe they are attempting to create a Tango
event on Sunday evenings, but I have not had a chance to check it out yet=
; =
I don't know of any mid week activity at present.
Ron Fitch
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:56:26 +0000
From: "~DANCE MORE TANGO~" <24tango @BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: FEEDBACK, PLEASE
Hello the list,
Finally! My own website! Please check it out and feel free to critique
it.........dancemoretango.com
regards to all,
Norma, Ft. Lauderdale
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:26:55 -0300
From: Lidia Ferrari <lferrari @FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
Subject: RV: Crime in Buenos Aires
Hola Tangueros de Tango-L,
Sobre la pregunta de Johannes quiero decir lo siguiente:
Un art=EDculo period=EDstico posiblemente pueda decir que Buenos Aires
es m=E1s peligroso que Rio. Evidentemente es una forma esquem=E1tica
de hacer competencia con lo peor de una sociedad. Ya tenemos bastante
con las competencias por el mercado, las bolsas y el FMI. Campa=F1as
publicitarias para Turismo muchas veces se hacen con ese tipo de mensajes.
Es cierto que Buenos Aires se est=E1 transformando en una ciudad m=E1s pe=
ligrosa
que
hace unos a=F1os, que era de las m=E1s tranquilas del planeta, no hay dud=
a sobre
esto.
Se est=E1 convirtiendo en una ciudad m=E1s parecida a todas las grandes d=
el
planeta.
La globalizaci=F3n de la miseria llega a todos lados muy r=E1pidamente, y=
en las
grandes ciudades se nota, obviamente.
Pero el peligro en Buenos Aires debe ser como el de otras grandes ciudade=
s,
inclu=EDdas las del primer mundo. Siempre han hablado de la violencia de =
Nueva
York, y por suerte, no conozco a nadie que la haya sufrido.
Estuve en Rio de Janeiro hace dos semanas durante 15 d=EDas. Y ten=EDa mi=
edo,
m=E1s por todo lo que se dice que por lo que se ve directamente. Y no me =
pas=F3
nada. Evidentemente hay que tener el cuidado que uno tiene frente a un
posibilidad de riesgo. Hay mucha pobreza y la pobreza engendra violencia.
Pero s=E9 que hubiera disfrutado m=E1s de esta ciudad maravillosa si
no hubiera tenido el temor psicol=F3gico, la fobia por todo lo que se dic=
e,
Porque ese miedo no me hace tener m=E1s cuidado o precuaci=F3n, me hace
padecer el miedo y con el miedo no se puede disfrutar ni hacer nada.
Ese miedo que surge de lo que otros dicen no tiene que ver con
enfrentar los peligros reales si no que lo envuelve a uno en sus propios
terrores.
Que comience a hablarse que en Buenos Aires hay m=E1s crimenes que en Rio=
,
es estigmatizar a dos ciudades maravillosas. (no digo con esto que son el
para=EDso)
Recientemente en Buenos Aires apareci=F3 en los diarios la noticia de la
desaparici=F3n de una argentina
y dos americanas en un bosque de California, y lo llaman el crimen perfec=
to
porque no han dejado huellas. Ser=EDa correcto que yo pensara:
California se est=E1 volviendo tan peligrosa como R=EDo?
No lo s=E9, pero es una mala pregunta. Porque si alguien me lo dice
seguramente cuando viaje tendr=E9
mucho miedo o simplemente no ir=E9. Una l=E1stima, para m=ED y para Calif=
ornia.
Saludos desde Buenos Aires.
Agradecer=E9 si alguien tiene ganas de traducir al ingl=E9s este email.
Lidia Ferrari
lferrari @buenosairestango.com
visit www.buenosairestango.com
>Hola muchachos,
>
>There is an artikel about crime in Buenos Aires in a german newspaper
>and
>the contents is, that Buenos Aires is more dangerous than Rio. A friend
>of
>me was last october in Buenos Aires and she had no trouble. On the
>opposite
>a bandoneon player told me,that he was involved last year four times in
>robberies. Is it true that the crime is risen in the last year and that
>you have
>to be very careful in Buenos Aires?
>
>Ciao
>
>Johannes
>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:03:45 -0500
From: John Kleer <stellamilano @EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: festival Argentino
Dear List:
=
---
Finalmente El Festival Argentino en Miami el D=EDa Domingo 2 de Mayo, de
1999.=20
De 12.00 PM a Medianoche en Bayfront Park, Miami El Primer Festival
Argentino en Miami. El programa incluir=E1 el Tango, Folklore, Pop y
Rock,de renombrados artistas Argentinos. Los asistentes podr=E1n saborear
las comidas bebidas t=EDpicas,que se vender=E1n, en distintos puestos en =
el
parque.Seg=FAn datos del Bayfront Park, donde se realizan festivales de
distintas nacionalidades, el "Festival Argentino", podr=E1 contar con un
estimado de 30.000 personas, incluyendo p=FAblico se todas las
nacionalidades, que viven =F3 visitan Miami.
Ser=E1 el festival Argentino m=E1s grande fuera de la Argentina.Los=20
artistas confirmados son;
Enanitos Verdes
Autenticos Decadentes
Luis A.Spinetta
Alejandro Lerner
Miguel Mateos
Javier Calamaro
Man Ray
Celeste Carballo
Stella Milano(tango)
Distintas figuras del Tango y folclore
El ballet de Tango de la pelicula evita(madonna)
Camerata Porte=F1a(Tango
Los bailarines de tango y profesionales cantantes que deseen participar
contactarse con Tel=E9fono: 305-358-9911/379-5549
Fax: 305-358-1986
Email: coneargent @aol.com enrique200 @aol.com=20
Direcci=F3n: 905 Brickel Bay Drive Ste.822, Miami, Fl 33131
Para contactos en Buenos Aires:
MARIA WATSON / MATIAS SCHNEER 14 de Julio 1333 piso 15 dpto."E"
Capital Federal (1427)Republica argentina telefax : (54 11) 4 551-0279
email: mariaw @interserver.com
La cerveza Quilmes es el patrocinador oficial del evento.=20
El festival abrir=E1 a la 12:00 del mediod=EDa y tendremos a primera hor=
a
folclore, luego a partir de las 3:30 el festival de Tango y de las 5:30
a las 12 de la noche el festival de Rock & Pop. Todo con figuras de
primer
nivel, adem=E1s tendremos un sector de ni=F1os patrocinado por el equipo =
de
futbol
Miami Fusion. De los puestos de venta; actualmente existe gente en lista
de
espera, tenemos 26 espacios disponibles, para la venta de cualquier
producto argentino, parrilladas, empanadas, panqueques, etc). Asi que si
Usted tambi=E9n est=E1
interesados en informaci=F3n acerca de las exposiciones, ll=E1menos, tal =
vez
podamos ....ayudarnos Desde ya, necesitamos voluntarios, en las
distintas ramas:Modelos, seguridad, back stage, sonidistas,
bailarinas/nes, periodistas, relaciones p=FAblicas, ayudantes de grupos,
maquilladores/as, imitadores,
etc.
Los esperamos.=20
Gracias
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:57:50 -0500
From: Don Klein <dklein @GTE.NET>
Subject: Tango in Kzoo?
Does anyone know if there will be any activities -- classes, milongas -- in
conjunction with the Tango Buenos Aires performance at
WesternMichiganUniversity?
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:58:07 -0800
From: Steve Hoffman <DrSteveH @IBM.NET>
Subject: Re: TANGO-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999
Regarding Mr. Johannes Schulz's question about the relative dangers of Rio
vs. Buenos Aires, I think I can comment from an 18 year experience of
living, working, traveling (on and off) in Brazil, and three recent trips
to Argentina (including 6 weeks in Bs.As.):
There is simply no question in my mind about the relative dangers, because
the they are SO TOTALLY opposite that a "comparison" is kind of ridiculous.
These two places are on opposite ends of a spectrum that is wider than most
people can even imagine. The confusion arises when people who know very
little about either culture, (or nothing at all about one, or the other)
GUESS about these things, or pass on impressions from people who know very
little themselves.
First of all, the international consensus is that Rio is an extremely
dangerous place, and it is. The international consensus is that Bs.As. is
the safest large city in the world, excepting perhaps Tokyo. As a person
who has traveled (on the ground) in about 40 countries, over a nearly 30
year period, I would say that this knowledge held by the business, academic
and professional communities is ... right on.
Rio (and Brazil in general) is chaos. There is massive criminality
(unimaginable to most Americans, who are very naive about Brazil) at all
levels of Brazilian society, from the government, to the street. The
poverty, violence, child abuse, prostitution, etc. are of epidemic
proportions. The scams, con artists are everywhere. You simply cannot
trust the majority of people you meet "on the street" (on your own) in a
like place like Rio. If you meet a woman (and you are a man), the odds are
enormous that the woman is a prostitute (at some level). If it is a man,
you had better strategize your options in a potential robbery or assault.
(Now, if you are intrioduced, or meet someone in a professional capacity,
that is different).
As far as simply exploring Rio, or wandering around in the streets, forget
it. In the Zona Sul (the tourist and wealthiest area, Copacabana, Ipanema,
etc.), here are your options: the first 2-4 streets that run parallel to
Avenida Atlantica (the arc of the beach) are relatively safe during the
day. That is, you can walk around in thin sliver of the hotel zone that
parallels the beach. Go more than 3-4 streets "into" the city (away from
the beach), and all bets are off. At night, you had better know what you
are doing, carry a weopon and be ready to use it, or go in a group of at
least 3 or 4.
In the "Centro" (origninal Rio, before the affluent built and thed fled to
the Zona Sul, to join the tourists), you can walk around the few streets
that have any remnants of anything at all authentically "Brazil" (very very
little) during the day only. At night, forget it.
Most tourists to Brazil have a very limited idea of what is really going on
in the country, as they are taking taxis from one place to another, are
residing in specialized, often highly guarded areas, and are sheparded
around by tourism staff. The idea of exploring Rio, on foot, especially
after dark, is insane.
I speak Portuguese fluently, know the culture and the issues very well, and
have tons of experience in Brazil, yet, in just a cummulative 2 weeks in
Rio, have been shot at from 4 feet away (missed), successfully assualted
and stabbed multiple times by a group of youths on Avenida Atlantica, been
robbed two times, and that's just the beginning.
Buenos Aires is the total opposite. Leaving RIo and traveling to Bs.As. is
like going from a chaotic, murderous war zone to heaven. I have never been
in more civilized, decent city. The people are polite, well-mannered,
calm. The streets are full of elegant, extremely attractive citizens, up
until 4- 5 am every night. I have seen innumerable young ladies, even
pairs of young girls, walking home at night by themselves, across town,
after leaving a nightclub a little early (4 am) - completely worry-free,
and un-bothered by even catcalls from passing men. What I saw routinely in
Bs.As., in terms of public safety in the streets, is unheard-of in the
larger US cities. Here in San Francisco, for example, the indices of risk
and violence in streets are vastly higher than in Buenos Aires. In fact,
during my last trip to Bs.As., I attended the annual meeting of the
PanAmerican Trauma Society, a South American association of trauma-care
physicians, emergency medicine specialists, public health epidemiologists,
etc., and the consensus and data that were presented clearly indicate the
(relative) remarkable safety of Bs.As. compared to the USA or Europe. (The
violence and risks in Brazil, by comparison, make New York or Detroit or
L.A. look like a delicate "society" tea party.)
Watch out for the following: an individual who (let's say) was born in
Bs.As. in the 40s or 50s speaks to you and says, "Oh, the risks in Bs.As.
are such and such, so bad, so risky...blah blah blah..." What does this
mean? It means, that to him, or her, the risks have gotten worse (and they
have, over the last 40 years), but, from what perspective is this person
coming from?: the safest place on earth practically, which is now a little
bit more dangerous, relatively. Likewise, a Carioca (native of Rio) may
say nowadays, "Oh, things are better in Rio! Less children murdered by the
police than last year!!"
Neither of these persons is even remotely considering the relative risk
indices of the two countries (which, as I have said, is hardly even
measureable on the same scale!) when they say or think that things are
better (or worse) in their respective countries. Beleive me, there is no
comparison.
By the way, there IS tango in Rio (Centro), and it's pretty good (Nov.
'98). But,
Take care,
Steve Hoffman
_________________________________________________________
Steve Hoffman
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:57:06 -0800
From: Paula Wirth <paula @ALMADEN.IBM.COM>
Subject: Tango Resources for the San Francisco/Silicon Valley/Bay Area (CA)
I am putting together a comprehensive set of resources for tangoers on the
web site I am putting together for a university tango club. Do you have
any suggestions? General tango URLs, local venues, places to buy music,
shoes, etc. Local (North Bay (San Francisco), East Bay (Oakland and
Berkeley) and South Bay (Sunnyvale, San Jose, etc.)) would be best, but if
they are a particularly good mail order catalog/ebusiness, that would be
good as well.
I'm looking for quality, not necessarily quantity. Thanks!!
**** Please send submissions to me, not the list. ***
When the site is approved and put up on the server, I'll post the URL on
the list.
Paula Wirth
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:12:05 +0100
From: Per-Anders Tengland <perte @TEMA.LIU.SE>
Subject: Tango in Oslo
Hello!
Is there anyone in Oslo on this list? If so, please contact me via:
perte @tema.liu.se
Thanks!
Per-Anders Tengland
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:48:39 +0100
From: Per-Anders Tengland <perte @TEMA.LIU.SE>
Subject: tango teachers
Does anyone have experience of the following two tango teachers, Inez
van Beusekom and Rob Doolaard (they teach together).
Please mail answer to:
perte @tema.liu.se
Thanks!
Per-Anders Tengland
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:53:21 -0800
From: Ruddy Zelaya <ruddy.zelaya @ENG.SUN.COM>
Subject: Message for San Francisco Bay Area Tangueros & visiting tangueros
Hi everyone,
With all the goings on in the SFO South Bay in March, there seems
to be some confusion as to whether there will be a milonga at
the Los Altos American Legion this Friday or next or whatever.
The answer is yes. Here's the March schedule:
Friday, March 5th: Keith Minton will teach the class 7-9; Milonga 9-12+
Friday, March 12th: Nora is back from Japan. Class 7-9; Milonga 9-12+
Friday, March 19th: Nora's class 7-9; Milonga 9-12+
Regards,
---
ruddy
End of TANGO-L Digest - 7 Mar 1999 to 8 Mar 1999
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