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Subject: TANGO-L Digest - 12 Dec 1999 to 13 Dec 1999 (#1999-89)
There are 6 messages totalling 323 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. The lady leaning "heavy" on the man
2. BRISTOL HOTEL
3. The National Day Of Tango
4. Tango at see (2)
5. Save money if you do online shopping -- a tip from Phil Seyer
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:01:30 +0100
From: Natarajan Balasundara <rajan @EMC.COM>
Subject: Re: The lady leaning "heavy" on the man
Original Message-----
From: JC Dill <tango @vo.cnchost.com>
Date: Saturday, December 11, 1999 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: The lady leaning "heavy" on the man
[ stuff deleted]
> It takes two to tango. :-) To quote Ann Landers, "people can't walk
all
>over you like a doormat if you don't lay down first". To avoid the
>situation where a follower leans on you to far, don't be something that
can
>be leaned on! If you don't present a frame that is suitable for the
>follower to lean on (to this degree), you won't get leaned on in an
>uncomfortable way.
>
>Often this is solved by presenting a more forward frame on your own,
>meeting your partner in the middle:
>
> /\
>
>rather than remaining very upright and becoming a leaning post:
>
> |\
>
>HTH
I should have been more clear in my first posting. The problem
is not so much with leaning as with putting weight. By putting
weight, I mean the vertical component...it is as if one is being
pinned down or is dancing on a sticky floor. It is not the horizontal
forward push from the follower. The situation is such that, for the
leader, moving back is also as difficult as moving forward. This
would not be the case if the follower was simply pushing the
leader back with the lean so that it could be corrected with a
counteracting forward lean by the leader( which brings to
mind a snapshot from sumo wrestling :-).
As far as I can imagine, it is not possible for the leader to do
the same thing even if he wanted to. While the follower can put
arms around the back and weigh down on the shoulders, the
leaders hold is in the back near the shoulder balde and it is more
geared towards pulling someone up rather than pushing down.
It is like a child holding the mother around the neck and
weighing her down while the mother herself holds the baby up
by having her hand around the back and more or less near the
shoulder blade and pulling up.
It is possible for the follower to lean with full body but without
putting weight up to some point and beyond that by leaning
only the upper body. This is even welcome and convenient for
the leader if the follower happens to be much taller than the
leader.
I guess, one of the reasons why the weight is so effectively put
on the leader could be because of the way palm is turned inward
gripping and pulling down the leader. Perhaps if it is turned outward
(away from the leader, towards the audience), the pulling might
decrease. And I think it even looks more beautiful(so it is potential
win-win situation, as business people might put it ). Whether it
works,
I will know only when it happens again. Sometimes the
weighing down is across the back with the whole arm --and this
may not get sovled this way.
rajan.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:05:40 -0500
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: BRISTOL HOTEL
The Bristol Hotel is situated close to the Plaza de la Republica (where the
obelisk is). The view from the front windows could be very nice. It is very
close to the Club Espanol (where most of the CITA events take place).
I stayed there for the last time about 4 years ago. It is old, the rooms are
of different size,private bath, clean, good service.
The cost then was U$S 80-90 per night.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:05:25 -0500
From: SERGIO <SERGIO @NCINTER.NET>
Subject: The National Day Of Tango
December 11th. is the National Day of Tango in Argentina. The birth day of
the famous singer Carlos Gardel.
The celebration of the "Music of the City of Buenos Aires", started last
Thursday and will end today Sunday.
Many foreign tourists took part of this celebration organized by the
Government Of The City with multiple Tango events. Singers, dancers, actors,
historians, appeared in the streets, amphitheaters, bookstores and even in
the shopping centers. The hole city sang and danced till very late last
night.
The singer, Adriana Varela, performed in a public park, (parque Centenario),
works of Enrique Cadicamo; the last of the great lyricists of tango, who
died last week at age 99.
The main attraction, last night, was the street dance in Avenida Corrientes
and around the Obelisk.
The Singer Alberto Castillo sang a few of his favorite tangos with the
orchestra of Julio Dragone and the dancer Miguel Angel Zotto (Tango x2). The
company " El Galpon de Catalinas" appeared with its 170 members dressed and
driving cars of the beginning of the century, to invite the general public,
young and old, to dance in the street and join in the celebration.
Dances were also held in most of the 80 tango clubs of Buenos Aires.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:55:40 -0600
From: Guy Barbe <gbarbe @GETUS.COM>
Subject: Tango at see
Just returned from the cruise "tango at sea" on the s/s Norway, with mixed
feelings about the organization of the event by the promoter and, the lack of
concern for our milonga space by the ships personnel. We were relegated to an
open deck with 20 knots winds the first night along with a pitching deck made
it very... shall we say interesting. After some complaints to the responsible
ship personnel, we were allowed to dance after the last show in the main
lounge usually by midnight. Thanks, for the "boom box" providing our music.
If you decide to go on this cruise next year, be sure to ask hard questions on
every details of the package to the promoter. Some problems brought to the
attention of the promoter were dismissed, only to be corrected on the last day
of class after a rather ugly scene, I will not go into any details. Later a
meeting with the promoter and the cruise participant culminated into some good
feedback that were noted and we were assured that corrective actions would be
taken.
Happy tango,
Guy
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:47:22 -0800
From: Manuel Patino <white95r @HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango at see
Original Message -----
From: Guy Barbe <gbarbe @GETUS.COM>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 6:55 PM
Subject: Tango at see
> Just returned from the cruise "tango at sea" on the s/s Norway, with mixed
> feelings about the organization of the event by the promoter and, the lack
of
> concern for our milonga space by the ships personnel.
Snip
> If you decide to go on this cruise next year, be sure to ask hard
questions on
> every details of the package to the promoter. Some problems brought to
the
> attention of the promoter were dismissed,
Snip
Thanks Guy for the heads up on this cruise. I was wanting to go on this type
of event but could not do it because of schedule conflicts. The whole idea
of a Tango cruise is very appealing and the promotion was very seductive.
How disappointing to hear about the lack of an appropriate milonga space and
music system / DJ. I would have expected a rather elaborate venue with all
the luxuries available to the rest of the passengers. You said "mixed
feelings about the organization of the event by the promoter", I take it
that you were happy with the instruction, the other participants, the rest
of the ships amenities, etc.?
From reading the promotional material I would have imagined a cruise pretty
much devoted to tango music (I guess that's naive in my part). I guess that
most of the other so-called dance cruises could suffer from the same type of
problems. Has anybody else had experience with this or other types of dance
cruises? I would appreciate hearing from other participants.
I would really like to participate on something like this but certainly not
if it is a substandard event. I do remember taking a rather cheesy and
totally bogus "party cruise" while in the Bahamas. What a joke! an
uncomfortable trip in a boat loaded with drunks with horribly loud, blaring,
awful music (distorted noise coming from over-driven speakers) to a slummy
looking beach where we were abandoned for several hours to be fed by surly
natives some fairly plain chicken and rice dish (and not much of it) and
apparently to swim and play in a sea weed filled, trashy, non sand, beach
with out even benches to sit on or shelter from the sun, let alone clean
bathrooms or any other amenity. Of course, they were very free with the rum
punch (they served it continuously). I guess "caveat emptor" comes to mind.
Manuel
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:45:34 -0800
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